5600X Overclocking advice

if you dont want to mess with it a bunch just set a cpu offset voltage of -.03. should be fine and knock the temp down a bit.
I went into Ryzen Master app, changed to Manual and then lowered the CPU voltage by -.03. Is that what that means? Ugh I'm pretty happy with the performance (even if I slightly wish I went 5800X3D & 4090 but whatever) but the heat is what really gets me. I seem to have the GPU under control, the CPU gets hot AF imo but I have a small room.
 
I went into Ryzen Master app, changed to Manual and then lowered the CPU voltage by -.03. Is that what that means? Ugh I'm pretty happy with the performance (even if I slightly wish I went 5800X3D & 4090 but whatever) but the heat is what really gets me. I seem to have the GPU under control, the CPU gets hot AF imo but I have a small room.
i do it in bios. what temp are you hitting and with what cooler?
 
Here is a video showing DR vs SR memory on the 5600x and 5800x 3D and what it offers, a lesser video card would not yield that much different I would think between them, Intel loves SR DDR 3600 just as good as DR 3600.

I guess he has them in 2 x 16Gb setup and does not answer the 4 x 8Gb question for me. my 3600 SR also does CL 14.

 
i do it in bios. what temp are you hitting and with what cooler?
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Dead Space Remake (4K maxed 120hz) with ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240. The version I got apparently had the wrong parts, I emailed ARCTIC and they sent me a backplate that was supposed to be compatible with AM4 but it was exactly the same as stock so I went to the hardware store and bought screws long enough to fit it. Thermal paste is MX5. Pretty sure it's screwed in good. IDK been thinking of swapping to a Peerless Assassin 120. This is before the Ryzen Master manual CPU -.03 voltage setting.
 
Thanks! I played a game for a few hours and what a dramatic difference in the ambient temp in the room, much less hot now. 👍
 
So for fun I ran my DDR3200 at 3600 speeds with my 3800X (it's not great ram). However! I did notice stuttering in Zero Build Fortnite decreased. So interesting and maybe something to the whole 3600Mhz being a sweet spot. That was DDR4 3200 16-20-20-38 or something I have running at 18-20-20-38.

So with my other kit of CL 16 3600 16-20-20-(not sure). I just got these in the mail. What on average do you guys see with these kits? I'm not sure what speed I should try for if I do. Maybe the 16-20-20 timings are telling to you folks?
 
Well this has been a headache....
So I got new ram not on my qvl but only cl16 3600 affordable sticks I could find. I haven't installed my 5600x yet just using my 3800x and this ram does not play nice. Cl16 nope, cl18, nope. Runs at some Super slow jedec speed if anything. XPM didn't work. Manual isn't really working either unless like 1200mhz

What are the chances the ram will work with the 5600x or is it the motherboard itself holding it back?

What I find confusing is that my non qvl 3200 16gb I run at 18-20-20-40 3600 speed all day long. I try that with the 3600 32gb kit which is cl16-20-20-39 and no bananas. What is holding back my Kingston cl16 32gb sticks that my crappy Oloy 16gb sticks can do?
 
Well this has been a headache....
So I got new ram not on my qvl but only cl16 3600 affordable sticks I could find. I haven't installed my 5600x yet just using my 3800x and this ram does not play nice. Cl16 nope, cl18, nope. Runs at some Super slow jedec speed if anything. XPM didn't work. Manual isn't really working either unless like 1200mhz

What are the chances the ram will work with the 5600x or is it the motherboard itself holding it back?

What I find confusing is that my non qvl 3200 16gb I run at 18-20-20-40 3600 speed all day long. I try that with the 3600 32gb kit which is cl16-20-20-39 and no bananas. What is holding back my Kingston cl16 32gb sticks that my crappy Oloy 16gb sticks can do?
Can you post screenshots of:
1. CPU-Z, tab memory
2. Thaiphoon burner (you can download it here: http://www.softnology.biz/files.html, choose the freeware version)

We can check the IC of your memory from those 2 screenshots, then determine the right settings / tuning for the IC.
 
Can you post screenshots of:
1. CPU-Z, tab memory
2. Thaiphoon burner (you can download it here: http://www.softnology.biz/files.html, choose the freeware version)

We can check the IC of your memory from those 2 screenshots, then determine the right settings / tuning for the IC.
I'll definitely do that today but...

I have the newest BIOS available. Here is the ram:
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I reached out to Kingston. Next thing I will try is clearing my CMOS reinstalling BIOS. Then trying one module at a time.

I'd love to have more time to work on my favorite hobby but these days it's very hard + I got some health issues which is why I hope to distract myself with gaming but hard to do with hardware issues. Just want to say thanks for the people helping me out.
 
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My Muskin's booted to 2666Mhz, XMP does not work on my MSI B550 Mortar, but I had a ( try it memory ) with a list of different speeds and timings, it had 3600Mhz cl 16 and what I am running on. it didn't have 3600Mhz cl 14 as what my single rank stuff is rated at.
 
I'll definitely do that today but...

I have the newest BIOS available. Here is the ram:
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I reached out to Kingston. Next thing I will try is clearing my CMOS reinstalling BIOS. Then trying one module at a time.

I'd love to have more time to work on my favorite hobby but these days it's very hard + I got some health issues which is why I hope to distract myself with gaming but hard to do with hardware issues. Just want to say thanks for the people helping me out.
Replace your CPU. That is probably 90% of your problem. The IMC on the 3000 series is not comparable to the one on the 5000 series chips. That's why the 3200 stuff runs fine on the 3800. I nearly destroyed my 3600 pushing the fabric up to 1800 when I installed my 3600 memory kit. I have never had an issue on any 5000 series chip I have used: 5600x and 5900x (own and operate both and running 3866 on the 5900x).

On anything before the 5000 series YMMV. Took a good 6-12 months to get 3200 Stable on 1st Gen Ryzen Parts. Fabric was always pretty touchy until the 5000 series came around. I smoked an X470 playing with the fabric speeds and my old 3600. It was never the same after that. I gave up and bought a 5600x as soon as I could get my hands on one and all my problems disappeared, like magic.
 
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Replace your CPU. That is probably 90% of your problem. The IMC on the 3000 series is not comparable to the one on the 5000 series chips. That's why the 3200 stuff runs fine on the 3800. I nearly destroyed my 3600 pushing the fabric up to 1800 when I installed my 3600 memory kit. I have never had an issue on any 5000 series chip I have used: 5600x and 5900x (own and operate both and running 3866 on the 5900x).

On anything before the 5000 series YMMV. Took a good 6-12 months to get 3200 Stable on 1st Gen Ryzen Parts. Fabric was always pretty touchy until the 5000 series came around. I smoked an X470 playing with the fabric speeds and my old 3600. It was never the same after that. I gave up and bought a 5600x as soon as I could get my hands on one and all my problems disappeared, like magic.
Did you raise your SOC at all or did just switching the CPU do the trick?
 
Did you raise your SOC at all or did just switching the CPU do the trick?
I did everything, I replaced my mainboard with an ASUS TUF x570 and I still had issues with the 3600. It ran like hot garbage on the X570... Same issues it had on the X470. It wasn't until I dropped in the 5600x that all the issues went away.

You're going to largely be constrained more by the CPU than the Motherboard I would suspect. The fabric speeds of the 5000 series are higher and more stable and it's ability to pair with RAM that runs at those speeds is generally baked in. I haven't run into anyone that had any issues getting at least 3600 Memory to run at 1:1 Fabric Speeds. AMD says the 5000 series will officially support up to 3733 in 1:1. Anything past that is silicon lottery time.

I'm not 100% certain but I don't think the ability to independently regulate the fabric and memory clocks in asynchronous mode was really a thing until the 500 series motherboards. Earlier versions would just dial in the frequencies at full fabric speed when you chose the XMP profile. You would have to run 100% manual timings and YMMV doing that if you wanted to dial it in on earlier motherboards. The Fabric speeds of Ryzen 1 couldn't handle more than 2933 initially (if you were lucky). This all leveled off at 3200. You see 3200 Mhz ram being the "gold standard" for most AMD builds well into the 5000 series. Hardware Unboxed swore by their CL14 3200 Mhz RAM and showcased it on almost all their benchmarks.

Squeezing performance out of the 5000 series is done in a couple ways. Undervolting, fabric Speeds and overclocking if you can get the system stable. The overclocking headroom of the 5000 series is almost non-existent.

I don't know if you can do undervolting on boards before the 500 series appropriately. Fairly certain curve optimizer doesn't work correctly, but you might be able to do all that in the Ryzen Master software instead of at a BIOS level.
 
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I'll definitely do that today but...

I have the newest BIOS available. Here is the ram:
View attachment 548767

I reached out to Kingston. Next thing I will try is clearing my CMOS reinstalling BIOS. Then trying one module at a time.

I'd love to have more time to work on my favorite hobby but these days it's very hard + I got some health issues which is why I hope to distract myself with gaming but hard to do with hardware issues. Just want to say thanks for the people helping me out.
Do you plan to populate 4 dimms of your mobo?
If so, you may try to run that 2 sticks of kingston using default settings, and then go to windows to see what kind of IC those 2 sticks use.
Based on freq 3600 with cas 16, and then quite loose trcd at 20, I would guess its Micron E-Die (quite good overclocker to be honest).
Micron E-Die can't go lower on trcd, so you may try 16-20-16-16 with 1.35v on vdimm, using 3200mhz first.
If boot, then you can try 3600 18-24-18-18 1.35v, using VSoC 1.15v.
 
This looks normal, what's the issue?
System is completely unstable at the stock 3600Mhz speed XMP and Manual timings. I can't load into my system unless I run those modules at 1200Mhz Jedec or cl16 3200Mhz.
I'm going to install the 5600X next to see if it can even load into windows with this ram at 3600Mhz next. But if it's as unstable as it is with the 3800X returned it will be.
 
System is completely unstable at the stock 3600Mhz speed XMP and Manual timings. I can't load into my system unless I run those modules at 1200Mhz Jedec or cl16 3200Mhz.
I'm going to install the 5600X next to see if it can even load into windows with this ram at 3600Mhz next. But if it's as unstable as it is with the 3800X returned it will be.
You should be fine with the 5600x. The issues are likely related to the IMC on the processor.

However, pendragon1 is onto something. It's possible that you may have to provide your RAM with higher voltage. No two sticks of RAM are alike. Make sure that the RAM is being fed at least 1.35V, and I think you can push it up to 1.5 in a pinch. I have had to do that to get ram stable on earlier (than 500 series) chipset Ryzen MBs.
 
System is completely unstable at the stock 3600Mhz speed XMP and Manual timings. I can't load into my system unless I run those modules at 1200Mhz Jedec or cl16 3200Mhz.
I'm going to install the 5600X next to see if it can even load into windows with this ram at 3600Mhz next. But if it's as unstable as it is with the 3800X returned it will be.
Also, you should establish stability, first, before you go pushing your RAM up to 3600 Mhz. Play with the RAM frequencies after you have established that the 5600x is in and stable. Then dial in your memory timings.

It's Hynix RAM, under the branding. So, good chance it will be nearly impossible to dial in the CL speeds. Never know, but I have had zero flexibility with my CL on my Hynix 4600 Mhz RAM.
 
He should be fine at 3600Mhz on a Ryzen 3000 series, I ran my 3700x at those speeds with Cl 18 on x470.
 
You should be fine with the 5600x. The issues are likely related to the IMC on the processor.

However, pendragon1 is onto something. It's possible that you may have to provide your RAM with higher voltage. No two sticks of RAM are alike. Make sure that the RAM is being fed at least 1.35V, and I think you can push it up to 1.5 in a pinch. I have had to do that to get ram stable on earlier (than 500 series) chipset Ryzen MBs.
I tried 1.4v at 3600Mhz since I run my Oloy at 16GB 3200Mhz @ 3600Mhz 1.4v. That did not do it either. The one voltage increase I did not try but a few others suggested was running the SOC at 1.2-1.25.
 
I tried 1.4v at 3600Mhz since I run my Oloy at 16GB 3200Mhz @ 3600Mhz 1.4v. That did not do it either. The one voltage increase I did not try but a few others suggested was running the SOC at 1.2-1.25.
Then stop trying on your 3900x. You have established that it doesn't like the increased fabric speeds. Drop that 5600x in and try with it.

If it doesn't work with the 5600x, 3200 Mhz is fine. You're only gonna lose like 1% on the lower frequency ram.
 
Then stop trying on your 3900x. You have established that it doesn't like the increased fabric speeds. Drop that 5600x in and try with it.

If it doesn't work with the 5600x, 3200 Mhz is fine. You're only gonna lose like 1% on the lower frequency ram.
I stopped trying on Sunday now I'm just answering questions cause my evenings have been booked up and I haven't had a chance to install the 5600X. I'm not keeping this ram if it's only good for 3200Mhz. I'll send it back and get a kit that's QVL and costs $30 less.
 
He should be fine at 3600Mhz on a Ryzen 3000 series, I ran my 3700x at those speeds with Cl 18 on x470.
That's not everyone's experience. The processor support is officially 3200 Mhz and 3600 may be possible. But not on every build.
 
I stopped trying on Sunday now I'm just answering questions cause my evenings have been booked up and I haven't had a chance to install the 5600X. I'm not keeping this ram if it's only good for 3200Mhz. I'll send it back and get a kit that's QVL and costs $30 less.
What is your motherboard? I was digging through the earlier posts and I can't find it.
 
I tried 1.4v at 3600Mhz since I run my Oloy at 16GB 3200Mhz @ 3600Mhz 1.4v. That did not do it either. The one voltage increase I did not try but a few others suggested was running the SOC at 1.2-1.25.

1. Don't send back that ram, yet. hehe
That Hynix DJR is only behind Samsung B-Die in terms of pure frequency scaling.

2. But DJR has it's own caveat: you have to manually tuning your primary and secondary timing, even sub if necessary to maintain the stability at 3600 and higher speed.
Hynix DJR default timings you have there as XMP are optimized for Intel platform (skylake, ADL, and Raptor), so obviously for Ryzen you have to manually adjust and if you can find the stability, that IC is beast.

3. Your 5600x can probably run 4 sticks of Hynix (2 CJR IC, 2 DJR IC) at 3600 with settings like this:
Primary: cl16 - trcdrd 18 - trcdwr 8 - trp 21 - tras 42 - trc 63
Sub: tFAW 20 - tWR 20 - tRFC 560 - tRDRDSCL 5 - tWRWRSCL 5 - tCWL 16 - tRTP10 - tRDWR 9 - tWRRD 3
ProcODT: 40.0 ohm

I configured, set, and tested my my friend's build using ryzen 1600x, Asus B550M, and 8gb x4 sticks of hynix (2x xmp 3600c18 Hynix CJR, 2x xmp 2666c16 Hynix JJR) and can run 3200mhz c16 at 1.36v for daily:
Ryzen 1600x Asus B550M TUF ram 32gb 3200mhz 16-18-18-21 1.36v.JPG
 
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