Anyone seriously considering the 4070 TI

DooKey said:
You'll get that in two years as a used card. Nothing wrong with that.
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That's kind of where I'm at, I'm only going to buy last gen right before next gen launches now due to pricing. Seems to have worked out this time around for me.
 
Comixbooks said:
The 4070ti seems more my style plus I game at 1080P at 144hz. Also like the fact I can use my 750 watt PSU with the card with no problems
so I won't have to upgrade to something like 1000 Watt PSU with the other 4000 series cards basically require I mean I have two Back up 750 watt PSUs would hate to think it's obsolete because of the lower wattage. I mean I ran a 450 watt for like a decade the increase power consumption is just silly it's suppose to be going down not up.
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I like the way you think. 4070Ti should be perfectly fine especially at 1080p, even 1440p.
 
I expect amd to drop the price on 7900xt to counter the 4070ti, probably stocked up on it with them not selling much. I would say 799.99 -849.99 for that would be a better buy with more ram and likely faster. expect 4070 be around 3080ti-3090
 
Nope. Expecting a launch in the $800-1000 range, but obviously hoping for something more in line with previous gen pricing. At the rate prices have been increasing, it's just a matter of time before I'm priced out of the GTX/RTX entry level parts too. Fortunately, there's little reason for me to upgrade.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Yep...

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People are only holding out on the 4080s because they think the market will correct itself. It will not. AIB's need Nvidia to throw them a bone this gen and FE cards will only trickle out to help them. Even if the 4080 price is cut, the FE models will disappear for a while, just like the 4090 FE has done.
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Are "people" holding out? I suspect that it is far more likely that the market for ludicrously expensive video cards is simply saturated. People who bought into this market segment were only willing to spend that much due to the rather unusual pandemic-induced circumstances. It may very well be that most who were going to spend that amount on a gpu have done so during that time, and are unlikely to be willing/able/allowed to spend those sorts of amounts again so soon, if ever again.

If that is the case, this sort premium product may very well go the way of the dodo. Unless, of course, some new crypto-like craze turns up again.
 
emphy said:
Are "people" holding out? I suspect that it is far more likely that the market for ludicrously expensive video cards is simply saturated. People who bought into this market segment were only willing to spend that much due to the rather unusual pandemic-induced circumstances. It may very well be that most who were going to spend that amount on a gpu have done so during that time, and are unlikely to be willing/able/allowed to spend those sorts of amounts again so soon, if ever again.

If that is the case, this sort premium product may very well go the way of the dodo. Unless, of course, some new crypto-like craze turns up again.
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Previous gen cards are going back up in price. It’s easier to offset the high cost if they sell their current GPU and other parts. This has been the upgrade path for many years. So yes, they are holding onto 3000 series cards until they see better 4000 series pricing. If better pricing never comes, then this gen will go the way of the dodo.
 
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I think Nvidia pushed it too hard by trying to price multiple cards above $1000. It only worked for the 3080Ti because its performance was near identical to the 3090, there was mining craze going on, and the economy was still riding the high of a 12 year long bull run. The 4080 FE has been in stock at local BBs for over 2 weeks now during the busiest shopping season of the year, and Tustin's Microcenter has had 10-15 AIB models in stock. I expect this whole generation outside of the 4090 to be a retail bust, with any perceived shortages of anything outside of the 4090 to be entirely manufactured by Nvidia themselves.

RT is cool, but we need bigger adoption of something like Unreal 5.1 that will push the raster envelope again.
 
WorldExclusive said:
That began with the GTX 680. It was so fast and efficient, Nvidia decided to make a Titan card with the full die the generation after that.
The *70 die move up to *80 card and the *80 die moved up to Titan/*90. The RTX 3080 was seen as a mistake in pricing and the 3090/3080Ti was a price correction that lead into the 4000 series.
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Oh I am well aware. Sad state of affairs.
 
LMAO Nvidia just out did AMD in bars. 4070ti is faster than 3090ti by 3x in cyberpunk one would think lmao. Oh wait its with dlss3 vs standard and they don't even mention it on the slide. Only nvidia can sell a new thing and screw over the old users, 0 reason dlss3 won't work on ampere.
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emphy said:
Are "people" holding out? I suspect that it is far more likely that the market for ludicrously expensive video cards is simply saturated. People who bought into this market segment were only willing to spend that much due to the rather unusual pandemic-induced circumstances. It may very well be that most who were going to spend that amount on a gpu have done so during that time, and are unlikely to be willing/able/allowed to spend those sorts of amounts again so soon, if ever again.

If that is the case, this sort premium product may very well go the way of the dodo. Unless, of course, some new crypto-like craze turns up again.
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Nvidia can whine all they want about crypto, but they moved a lot of expensive GPUs in part because the average guy could tweak settings, mine with it in downtime, and make back his money in 3-6 months. A lot easier to justify a $1000+ card when you can make that back in 3-6 months. As a pure gaming device not used for production work or as a means of income, $1000+ is a lot for most people's hobbies during a recession with inflation running rampant (not a political thread).
 
Does the RT overdrive mode for Cyberpunk ever got actually released ?

The 4070TI would be at least an interesting use case for that technology.
 
LukeTbk said:
Does the RT overdrive mode for Cyberpunk ever got actually released ?

The 4070TI would be at least an interesting use case for that technology.
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My issue with nvidia is screwing over all the people that bought ampere. There is 0 reason to not release dlss3 for ampere they won't becuase of $$. if I had a 3000 series card I would skip this gen to teach them a lesson lmao.
 
NKD said:
LMAO Nvidia just out did AMD in bars. 4070ti is faster than 3090ti by 3x in cyberpunk one would think lmao. Oh wait its with dlss3 vs standard and they don't even mention it on the slide. Only nvidia can sell a new thing and screw over the old users, 0 reason dlss3 won't work on ampere.
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It's really lame nvidia won't roll out DLSS 3 to Ampere. Though I have a sneaking suspicion they will do it later this year. And give themselves a pat on the back somehow when they do.
 
NKD said:
There is 0 reason to not release dlss3 for ampere they won't becuase of $$
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Is it known fact that the quality and maybe more so latency hit on Ampere is good enough for Nvidia to absolutely no reason outside artificial product differentiation to not release it on Turing-Ampere ? Reason like giving a bad name to the brand if its not that good on them.
 
LukeTbk said:
Is it known fact that the quality and maybe more so latency hit on Ampere is good enough for Nvidia to absolutely no reason outside artificial product differentiation to not release it on Turing-Ampere ? Reason like giving a bad name to the brand if its not that good on them.
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I haven't seen anything. I think it is people just assuming NVIDIA is evil, which is usually a safe bet. :)

So...$799...January 5th...seems OK? Or are we outraged?
 
vegeta535 said:
People will be always outraged. Even if they drop the 4090 to $299 they will bitch.
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I mean, I think people would be thrilled with 4090 performance for 299. I'd erect a statue to Jensen and tan a leather coat myself to wrap it in. It is kind of bull shit to be getting 70 level performance for 800 dollars now. I can't wait to see independent reviews, no doubt this thing won't get reviewed well.
 
kirbyrj said:
Nvidia can whine all they want about crypto, but they moved a lot of expensive GPUs in part because the average guy could tweak settings, mine with it in downtime, and make back his money in 3-6 months. A lot easier to justify a $1000+ card when you can make that back in 3-6 months. As a pure gaming device not used for production work or as a means of income, $1000+ is a lot for most people's hobbies during a recession with inflation running rampant (not a political thread).
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Nvidia sometime ago demonstrated that their products are no longer gaming only devices. Geforce Now is their service for people that just want to game or buy a console. Because they're aren't gaming only devices anymore, emphasis on digital production and research is talked about every presentation. If you're not making money in some way or fashion on these cards or on their stock price, the 3000 and 4000 series are poor values. As you pointed out, mining drove the sales of the 3000 series. There are many purposes that motivate people into buying GPUs so gaming isn't the only reason anymore.

We still have many people gaming on pandemic $900 3070s, $1200 3080s, $1500 3080Ti's and $1800-2500 3090/Ti's. They are just financially tired. They do not want to take a huge loss and then pay the same price again for the 4000 series.
 
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LukeTbk said:
Is it known fact that the quality and maybe more so latency hit on Ampere is good enough for Nvidia to absolutely no reason outside artificial product differentiation to not release it on Turing-Ampere ? Reason like giving a bad name to the brand if its not that good on them.
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There is nothing really different. Lot of people have confirmed it browsing over twitter etc and others. Tensor cores are tensor cores at the end of the day.
 
this gpu market sucks! the only card that is worth its cost is the 4090.
4080 $900
7900xtx $800
7900xt $650
4070ti $600
i feel like that is fair pricing.
 
WorldExclusive said:
There are many purposes that motivate people into buying GPUs so gaming isn't the only reason anymore.
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+1. Most of the time my gpus are contributing to BOINC and folding@home related (aka distributed computing) projects. At least my gpus are doing some useful work (nothing against gaming) for the benefit of science. ;)
 
trick0502 said:
this gpu market sucks! the only card that is worth its cost is the 4090.
4080 $900
7900xtx $800
7900xt $650
4070ti $600
i feel like that is fair pricing.
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Why do you think the 4090 is worth the cost?
It's a full die card that use to be $1000, that was price corrected to a $1500 3090 to price fix the GPU market.
It doesn't have DP2.0 and a card that fast needs it. But Nvidia will roll out the 4090Ti with the update for $1800+.

IMO nothing is worth the cost today, from GPUs to CPUs and motherboards.
 
4090 is like a super car. is it worth the cost, not really. but, is it the best? yes. if you want that, you pay the premium.
WorldExclusive said:
Why do you think the 4090 is worth the cost?
It's a full die card that use to be $1000, that was price corrected to a $1500 3090 to price fix the GPU market.
It doesn't have DP2.0 and a card that fast needs it. But Nvidia will roll out the 4090Ti with the update for $1800+.

IMO nothing is worth the cost today, from GPUs to CPUs and motherboards.
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Comixbooks said:
The 4070ti seems more my style plus I game at 1080P at 144hz. Also like the fact I can use my 750 watt PSU with the card with no problems
so I won't have to upgrade to something like 1000 Watt PSU with the other 4000 series cards basically require I mean I have two Back up 750 watt PSUs would hate to think it's obsolete because of the lower wattage. I mean I ran a 450 watt for like a decade the increase power consumption is just silly it's suppose to be going down not up.
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That's your next upgrade!
 
I have a 240 hz Alienware IPS but hate it going OLED no matter what as soon as smaller form factors come out like the 27 inch Asus OLED Swift.
 
Comixbooks said:
The 4070ti seems more my style plus I game at 1080P at 144hz. Also like the fact I can use my 750 watt PSU with the card with no problems
so I won't have to upgrade to something like 1000 Watt PSU with the other 4000 series cards basically require I mean I have two Back up 750 watt PSUs would hate to think it's obsolete because of the lower wattage. I mean I ran a 450 watt for like a decade the increase power consumption is just silly it's suppose to be going down not up.
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You better be using a 5800 x3d, 13900k, or 7700x if you want to get the most out of a 4070 TI at only 1080p. 4070 TI is around 3080 TI performance or better and my 3080 TI is just twiddling its thumbs at 1080p with sometimes laughably low GPU utilization. Heck even at 1440p I can't fully push a 3080 TI in most games.
 
So I just got a 4080 Suprim but waiting on the 850 watt PSU you think it's safe to try out with my 750 watt? The thing is a Motherboard bender for sure comes with a mouse pad and gpu support bracket.
 
Comixbooks said:
So I just got a 4080 Suprim but waiting on the 850 watt PSU you think it's safe to try out with my 750 watt? The thing is a Motherboard bender for sure comes with a mouse pad and gpu support bracket.
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Why on Earth would you upgrade power supplies just for a 100 watt difference? If you're going to go through all that freaking trouble then why not go 1000 watts and be covered for any possible future upgrades?
 
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