XBOX ONE X: A viable 4K UHD Disc Player?

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Hello all,
I was wondering if my XBOX ONE X could be considered a viable 4K UHD Disc Player? I know MS recently added Dolby Atmos to the system as well. (I have never owned or played a 4K UHD disc on this machine, but I just recently bought the Game of Thrones 4K UHD BOX-SET)

According to this thread, it seems that XBOX ONE S has HDMI 2.0b, and supposedly that's good enough for 4K UHD at 60Hz.

Thank you for your kind thoughts.
 
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Cannibal Corpse said:
Hello all,
I was wondering if my XBOX ONE X could be considered a viable 4K UHD Disc Player? I know MS recently added Dolby Atmos to the system as well. (I have never owned or played a 4K UHD disc on this machine, but I just recently bought the Game of Thrones 4K UHD BOX-SET)

According to this thread, it seems that XBOX ONE S has HDMI 2.0b, and supposedly that's good enough for 4K UHD at 60Hz.

Thank you for your kind thoughts.
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Short answer is yes. Are there better players, sure, but your console should do just fine.
 
Great, I am going to give it a try!

Questions:
Does playing back from Disc, faster (better quality) than streaming? In other words, would a disc player is faster (better) than services such as Netflix, Disney+, etc.?
 
Cannibal Corpse said:
Great, I am going to give it a try!

Questions:
Does playing back from Disc, faster (better quality) than streaming? In other words, would a disc player is faster (better) than services such as Netflix, Disney+, etc.?
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Not sure what faster mean ? It will tend to be slower between the moment you decide to watch something and be actually in the said content, disk can take more time to load, have hard to skip content, menu, etc...

If you mean higher bitrate, 4kUHD can (but not always) have significantly higher and does not mean looking better necessarily mean that they look better when they do either but sometime can.

Game of thrones for example:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...at-its-supposed-to-look-like/?sh=5dc65a825620
The series isn’t presented with by any means the highest average bit-rates I’ve seen on 4K Blu-ray; for the most part you’re looking at rates of between 25 and 50Mbps, with the occasional peak of 60Mbps plus

Which would probably still way higher than the terrible stream most market had for that show
 
Will see for how long:
When it comes to 4K Ultra HD 2160p video, AV1 outperforms HEVC up to 43.90%

30/40mbs av1 streaming could compete really well.
 
LukeTbk said:
Will see for how long:
When it comes to 4K Ultra HD 2160p video, AV1 outperforms HEVC up to 43.90%

30/40mbs av1 streaming could compete really well.
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Who knows how long before the major streaming sites adopt it. They would need to upgrade their hardware to support it I believe.
 
vegeta535 said:
Who knows how long before the major streaming sites adopt it. They would need to upgrade their hardware to support it I believe.
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Netflix started to stream av1 in 2020 on android mobile device and android tv in 2021. Would they need to upgrade much of their hardware ? does the server know/care much which codec they push to our house ? All the decoding occur on our device no ?
 
LukeTbk said:
Netflix started to stream av1 in 2020 on android mobile device and android tv in 2021. Would they need to upgrade much of their hardware ? does the server know/care much which codec they push to our house ? All the decoding occur on our device no ?
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I assumed you need special hardware to do it since only 4xxx, 7xxx and Intel GPUs could encode it.
 
vegeta535 said:
I assumed you need special hardware to do it since only 4xxx, 7xxx and Intel GPUs could encode it.
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For Netflix where you encode "one time" a content that will be played millions of minutes, I imagine that part is not too much of a big deal and they probably go for the best quality of encoding (CPUs) with the time to do it being low priority. It is not a real time twitch streaming where you need the GPUs to do it.
 
I think you need to buy your own personal license to use Atmos on the Xbox. It's not built into the price of the system. I could be wrong, though. I know I needed to purchase a license for my headphones, which works both on my Xbox consoles and PC for one price.
LukeTbk said:
Not sure what faster mean ? It will tend to be slower between the moment you decide to watch something and be actually in the said content, disk can take more time to load, have hard to skip content, menu, etc...

If you mean higher bitrate, 4kUHD can (but not always) have significantly higher and does not mean looking better necessarily mean that they look better when they do either but sometime can.

Game of thrones for example:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...at-its-supposed-to-look-like/?sh=5dc65a825620
The series isn’t presented with by any means the highest average bit-rates I’ve seen on 4K Blu-ray; for the most part you’re looking at rates of between 25 and 50Mbps, with the occasional peak of 60Mbps plus

Which would probably still way higher than the terrible stream most market had for that show
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A BDXL (quad layer) can get up to 80 Mbps, but not many movies on disc are encoded at that bitrate.
LukeTbk said:
Netflix started to stream av1 in 2020 on android mobile device and android tv in 2021. Would they need to upgrade much of their hardware ? does the server know/care much which codec they push to our house ? All the decoding occur on our device no ?
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Netflix 4K does look pretty good these days. It's still lacking in the audio department, though, since they need to pick which has a priority with such a limited bandwidth cap.
LukeTbk said:
For Netflix where you encode "one time" a content that will be played millions of minutes, I imagine that part is not too much of a big deal and they probably go for the best quality of encoding (CPUs) with the time to do it being low priority. It is not a real time twitch streaming where you need the GPUs to do it.
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Plus, the processors found in today's TVs are made specifically to decode video when you stream directly to them.
 
The Atmos license is only needed for headphones. The Xbox will bitstream the audio to a TV or receiver for decoding.

And Youtube encodes and plays videos in AV1 as well.
 
FWIW, I don't think the xbox does dolby vision or hdr10+ works from optical discs on the xbox. That may not matter very much.
 
I have the one X connected to a Pioneer VSX LX 305, and an Epson 5040UB. Overall in terms of a Bluray player I am very impressed by it. obviously there is a certain amount of subjectivity to such things but I am quite happy with it overall!
 
To do dolby vision or hdr10+ you need a $500 Panasonic DP-UB820.
 
That's basically what I'm using my XB1X for these days. Haven't bought any current-gen consoles yet, and I started getting back into PC gaming so my XBox is just used for playing a few BluRays here and there.
 
Hulk said:
To do dolby vision or hdr10+ you need a $500 Panasonic DP-UB820.
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Yeah, I was sort of pissed when I discovered that. Looking to get a UHD player that supports the latest formats, but I'm not paying $500 for it.
 
The real selling feature of the DP-UB820 is the great upcaling. If you have a modern high end Sony TV or have no interest in the upscaling capabilities, then there are far cheaper options that support HDR10 & Dolby Vision.
 
Solhokuten said:
The real selling feature of the DP-UB820 is the great upcaling. If you have a modern high end Sony TV or have no interest in the upscaling capabilities, then there are far cheaper options that support HDR10 & Dolby Vision.
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I have quite a few normal Blu-rays, so the upscaling might be nice. I'll just keep an eye on it and see if I can pick it up on a sale. Apparently it's gotten down to $370 or so in the past. I think recently it was going for around $425 or so.
 
MavericK said:
I have quite a few normal Blu-rays, so the upscaling might be nice. I'll just keep an eye on it and see if I can pick it up on a sale. Apparently it's gotten down to $370 or so in the past. I think recently it was going for around $425 or so.
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I do highly recommend it if you have several normal blurays. It's a fantastic player and the upscaling is very good.
 
Solhokuten said:
I do highly recommend it if you have several normal blurays. It's a fantastic player and the upscaling is very good.
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Shortly after my last post I actually found a pretty great deal on one with a damaged box, but new/unharmed otherwise, so problem solved!
 
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