I can see why. If they are selling every professional card they are making why waste waffles on gaming GPUs when they sell for a fraction of the professional cards.
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Are you camping out / lining up for an RTX 4080?
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I currently have the 3080 10GB bought exactly two years ago Nov. 2020 for $749 @ Microcenter.
Back then I thought to myself yeah in a couple years I'll pick up the 4080.
Then the 4090 came out, with beastly performance of 75% to almost double the performance of the 3090. And the 4090 was only a hundred bucks more then the 3090 I thought to myself okay that's the way it should be, the new card is almost twice as fast for just a little bit more money.
Then the 4080 rumors come out $1200 price tag, not a huge performance upgrade over the 3080. WTF?
And now the benchmarks this week it shows it's mostly 30% to 50% faster than the 3080. But costs a whopping $500 more. That's crazy.
I could almost justify the $1,200 price if it was the same performance difference like the 3090 to 4090, meaning double the performance. But it barely being 50% faster and is $1200. What. The. Fuck. ? No way.
Back then I thought to myself yeah in a couple years I'll pick up the 4080.
Then the 4090 came out, with beastly performance of 75% to almost double the performance of the 3090. And the 4090 was only a hundred bucks more then the 3090 I thought to myself okay that's the way it should be, the new card is almost twice as fast for just a little bit more money.
Then the 4080 rumors come out $1200 price tag, not a huge performance upgrade over the 3080. WTF?
And now the benchmarks this week it shows it's mostly 30% to 50% faster than the 3080. But costs a whopping $500 more. That's crazy.
I could almost justify the $1,200 price if it was the same performance difference like the 3090 to 4090, meaning double the performance. But it barely being 50% faster and is $1200. What. The. Fuck. ? No way.
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Bottom line the 4090 is only a $100 more than last gen but gives a massive 75% to 100% performance upgrade.
The 4080 is $500 more than last gen and only gives 40% to 50% performance upgrade.
At that rate, the real price for the 4080 should be like $799, and on with inflation $899 tops, certainly not $1200.
The 4080 is $500 more than last gen and only gives 40% to 50% performance upgrade.
At that rate, the real price for the 4080 should be like $799, and on with inflation $899 tops, certainly not $1200.
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Yeah, the 4080 should have been an $800 GPU at most. I hope the RX 7900 XT and XTX give the 4080 a rightful smackdown in terms of marketshare, and deservedly so.
Yeah - say what you want about NVIDIA - but man...what geniuses. So shrewd.
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That way Jensen can waltz up on stage in 2-3 years and announce the RTX 5090 on stage for a cool $2,200 USD and get away with it - because people are already paying scalpers this for 4090s now. See how high the market will bear, back off 3-5%, and call it a day. Get ready for x060 series cards to cost $1,000 in the future, fellas. You heard it here first.
I desperately hope AMD and Intel can reign that in a bit with fierce competition.
Was just at Microcenter, buying a new Seasonic PSU, and I went to the GPU section, and they did have 4080s in stock, and I had cash in hand, and they had the white one I liked. Hummed and hawed for like 5 minutes in that isle, and I just couldn't pull the trigger. Just couldn't do it. $1200 for what, 40% to 50% better performance over my 3080? I was almost about to grab it, then thought $1200 for not even 50% upgrade, ugh can't do it.
Ditto my Radeon 9500-9700
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It's just so not worth the price. Glad you managed to hold out.
Ah... Makes me want to throw together a Barton Athlon XP + Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB build...
100%. Astute observation. While the PC gaming market was a springboard that helped get NV to where they are now, at this point they tolerate PC gamers at best. Datacenter - Industrial - Scientific - Medical - Cloud - AI - Automotive - Manufacturing - those are the future that Nvidia sees their next 100Billion dollars of revenue coming from.
Exaaactly.
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"If in doubt, don't". When it's the right time to buy you won't even question it. When you hesitate it's almost always your subconscious telling you "remorse ahead".
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I did the same thing, while i like the card I won't pay stupid money like that again.
Checked a bunch of reviews, and the 4080 is about 45% faster then my 3080.
My threshold has typically been a GPU upgrade needs to be at least 50% of an upgrade for me to purchase, and if it's 75% faster then for sure I'm buying immediately. But this being 45% AND $1200 that's just tough pill to swallow. Actually the 4090 would be a smarter buy LOL.
My threshold has typically been a GPU upgrade needs to be at least 50% of an upgrade for me to purchase, and if it's 75% faster then for sure I'm buying immediately. But this being 45% AND $1200 that's just tough pill to swallow. Actually the 4090 would be a smarter buy LOL.
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Don't give in to FOMO. At least wait for 7900 XTX reviews. I want more performance at 4K too but I don't want to regret my purchase less than a year from now. I can just wait for better pricing.
I feel you Zorachus. I'm not afraid to buy a new card the moment I can justify it on the balanced scales of "need/want/cost".
But you know I picked back up in Horizon Zero Dawn last night on my 3080 Ti and continuing along at 4k HDR and I don't feel like I'm missing performance by not hitting the max 120hz all the time on my LG OLED... so... why hurry.
After the insult from Nvidia on the pricing this time around what I need to see to get my interest back is some number UNDER $1000 for 4090 performance. Then I'll get the wallet out. Maybe after some price competition from AMD and eventually a decently priced 4080 Ti perhaps? Otherwise like you said... you are essentially paying for that performance increase ON TOP of the previous generation card. There's no "new card better perf than the last card at the same price..." anywhere to be found here. And there hasn't been since the 2000 series.
But if you have to buy, get a 4090 (if they are ever available at MSRP again that is...). You know it's the only one that makes any sense.
But you know I picked back up in Horizon Zero Dawn last night on my 3080 Ti and continuing along at 4k HDR and I don't feel like I'm missing performance by not hitting the max 120hz all the time on my LG OLED... so... why hurry.
After the insult from Nvidia on the pricing this time around what I need to see to get my interest back is some number UNDER $1000 for 4090 performance. Then I'll get the wallet out. Maybe after some price competition from AMD and eventually a decently priced 4080 Ti perhaps? Otherwise like you said... you are essentially paying for that performance increase ON TOP of the previous generation card. There's no "new card better perf than the last card at the same price..." anywhere to be found here. And there hasn't been since the 2000 series.
But if you have to buy, get a 4090 (if they are ever available at MSRP again that is...). You know it's the only one that makes any sense.
Great post totally agree.
While I was at Microcenter debating in my head a 4080 purchase, if they had a 4090 FE there at $1599 I would've caved and grabbed it, but that card seems like a unicorn, and nowhere to be found. MC had zero 4090s.
A 4090 is more than double the performance of my 3080. But a 4080 is only 50% of an upgrade and so close in price to the 4090, I just can't justify the 4080.
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4090 has been unobtanium since a couple days after launch.
MC does not carry Founders Edition cards at all unfortunately. BestBuy is the only brick-and-mortar that does AFAIK.
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At 3440x1440 you are not even going to get all a 4080 is capable of anyway with that i7 9700.
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What about a QD-OLED display?
Actually have a 38" Ultrawide now, 3840 X 1600 res.
Yeah my i7 9700k is older, but most benchmarks show the GPU is by far the bigger factor for high frame rates over the CPU, unless your game at some low ass 1080p crap.
Well if you are talking about that new 165hz 3840x1440 QD-OLED Alienware screen, yeah a friend was showing me that one last night. I think of all the displays where you could really just say "F-it" and pair it with a 4090 that would be close to the golden combo. A little less vertical res than a 4k TV, ultra wide... yeah a 4090 would probably drive that between 120fps and 165fps a good deal of the time with any new game.
But I could make the same argument for my 4k OLED 120hz. I COULD justify it on those grounds. But the price is still just too much -> for me <-.
But I could make the same argument for my 4k OLED 120hz. I COULD justify it on those grounds. But the price is still just too much -> for me <-.
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You clearly have not paid enough attention to the 4090 reviews then as the cpu makes a large difference in some games and even at 4k. Something like a 5800X3D would be over 30% faster than your cpu at 4k pushing a 4090 in some games. That said just a 4080 would be fine for the most part at 3840x1600 with your cpu but still don't expect to get full protentional in every game. I would certainly upgrade the platform in the next couple years though. I am waiting to see how the Ryzen 7000 X3D chips do before upgrading myself.
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The two Alienware QD OLED Ultrawides are 34 inch 3440x1440. And sorry but even at 4k there would be some massive gains in some games going with a better cpu than his if pushing a 4090. Techpowrup showed 20% or more in some games just with a 5800X3D over the standard 5800x. And even the standard 5800x would already be 15-20% faster than his 9700 so you are looking at well over 30% performance loss in some cases if he had a 4090 at 4k never mind his lower res 3840x1600 screen. The 4080 makes way more sense for him.
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Trust me, I am definitely thinking of upgrading my motherboard and CPU, but right now is an odd time to upgrade that because the next gen X 3D CPUs are due out next year.
Unless I got a cheap RX7600 CPU now on the AM5 platform and then get that X3D CPU when they come out next spring.
Maybe do that. Upgrade now and wait to these video card prices settle down or see what the 7900 XTX brings?
Unless I got a cheap RX7600 CPU now on the AM5 platform and then get that X3D CPU when they come out next spring.
Maybe do that. Upgrade now and wait to these video card prices settle down or see what the 7900 XTX brings?
The gaming card market is still worth billions and they hold like 80% market share. It’s still worth their time to do.
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As for as cpu goes just go ahead and wait on the X3D 7000 series as its probably less than 6 months away. I would also wait on the 7900 xtx reviews just to see if there are any surprises.
I can get into a i7 13007k setup cheaper than the new AM5 stuff that require DD5 and pricier motherboards.
I already have some sweet DDR4 32GB Corsair Vengeance CL14 I can reuse.
Or go the AM5 route now with just a 7600X to hold me over until the X3D CPU comes out
I play a lot of MMOs which are typically more CPU intensive, like World of Warcraft at Ultra settings and 8xAA and Ray Tracing enabled it can be a demanding game. I also play Elder Scrolls Online, and plan to pick up New World.
So which CPU architecture is better for MMOs?
I already have some sweet DDR4 32GB Corsair Vengeance CL14 I can reuse.
Or go the AM5 route now with just a 7600X to hold me over until the X3D CPU comes out
I play a lot of MMOs which are typically more CPU intensive, like World of Warcraft at Ultra settings and 8xAA and Ray Tracing enabled it can be a demanding game. I also play Elder Scrolls Online, and plan to pick up New World.
So which CPU architecture is better for MMOs?
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I went from a 3700x AMD with a 3080 RTX .. To a 13900kf Intel ddr5 6000 , huge difference in World of Warcraft and Diablo 3. I was blown away at just how much better and smoother it is. I’m playing on a 48CX LG at 4k. The older games like WOW and Diablo want that faster single core . I’d have to look again but I believe I’m getting over 250fps in WOW with the slider set on 10. Also getting 380-420fps in diablo with everything turned up.
Thanks for that, so for right now, would you get a R 7700X or i13700K?
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Right now I’d grab a 13700k.. if you wait I’d see what the X3Ds bring from AMD.
It is and it isn't. That's kind of the point.
The closest comparison that I can think of for the consumer GPU market is the bloodbath that has been happening for the past decade in the consumer digital imaging space.
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I'm guessing a price drop early January at the latest for the 4080, depending on performance that the 7900 XTX brings. The only way Nvidia won't do a price drop is if the 4080 is a lot better than the next AMD card with Ray Tracing - they might use that to "justify" the price. Hell, I might be wrong since the 4070 Ti is supposed to release around the same time.
I don’t see any good reason for a company to walk away from a market worth billions of dollars in revenue that they have 80% control of. I mean they’re selling every 4090 they can make and they cost $1600.
Nvidia isn’t raising prices of their graphics cards in some weird effort to make them so expensive they can exit the market. If they didn’t want to play in it, they would just leave. They’re raising the prices because gamers have demonstrated they’re willing to pay. That’s the long and short of it. That’s why they launched the 4080 at $1200. This looks like it was too high, so I expect the next launch to be lower, just like we saw from Turing to Ampere, but they have proven people will gladly pay $1600 for their halo gaming product.
What motherboard and memory are you running?
They could make even more if they took those dies that were marked for gaming and send them towards the professional market. Why sell a $1000 gaming card where the same silicon could be sent towards a professional card they sell for $2,000-$10,000 is my point.
Tell me you have no life without speaking.
Because there is a market for that $1000 card currently worth billions of dollars. Toyota makes a ton of money and higher margins selling Lexus, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth their time to also sell Corollas.