AMD B650 motherboards are now available, pricing starts at $159

Krenum said:
New Motherboards haven't been $100 dollars in over a decade.

$159 base price has been the going rate for a long time now.
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I paid $125 for my X370 by ASRock 5 years ago. Of course initial BIOS weren't that good as was all AM4, but the latest BIOS support up to the 5800X3D if I am not mistaken.

Specs here.

Far from a top of the line board, but also not bottom of the barrel. Not exactly $100, but lower end boards were around that price just a few years back.


Total was $136.04 shipped to me:

Grand Subtotal
  • $134.99

Total Discount(s)
  • -$10.00

Total Tax
  • $9.06

Total Shipping
  • $1.99

Grand Total
  • $136.04
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Sadly the only 650E boards listed on Newegg are at $300/350, in line with 670E pricing.

I don't need the extra IO from the 670 double chipset, but do want the future proofing of a 5.0 GPU slot because my 2026 and 2028 GPUs probably will benefit even though my 3080 won't care.
 
NightReaver said:
What? A good number of B550 boards had launch prices below that figure.
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No they didn't. Cheap B550 was in the $150 range out the door with most in the $179-250 range. You still can't get a B550 board for much under $100...even a cheap ass ASRock Phantom 4 is $100. B450 boards can still be had in the $75 range.
 
Absalom said:
$200 is the new $100. Welcome to inflation.
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Not really. The problem is that the economy is still dropping, and that means disposable income is hurting. $100 is still $100, but no corporation wants to admit this. Sales in general aren't doing well, and I guarantee you that a lot of homes and cars are being foreclosed/repossessed as I write this. Nvidia is fighting this by literally going to the moon by making prices higher. Nvidia is acting like they cater to a wealthy group of people, which obviously isn't working going by Nvidia's stock which is currently $113 per share. AMD isn't playing this game exactly, but they aren't too far off. Looks good that AMD's Ryzen 7000 series hasn't gone up in price, and may have even gone down compared to the 5000 series, but they ain't fooling anyone with those ridiculous motherboard prices, which in most cases exceeds the cost of the CPU. AMD did say they don't want to be the cheap brand, but consumers really want them to be the cheap brand, and that goes the same for Intel. Keep in mind this is all done to save these companies stock value, which is gonna plummet regardless of what tricks they try to do. Also to keep in mind is that the Ryzen 5000 series, particularly the 5800X3D is doing extremely well compared to the 7000 series, and even beating them in gaming benchmarks. A MSI B550 ATX motherboard is around $139, and that's not even the cheapest AM4 board. Couple that with cheap DDR4 and cheap 5800X3D and I'll have a better gaming setup for a much cheaper price. So yea, $100 is still $100 but AMD would like you to believe it's now $400. Ain't nobody falling for that.

 
kirbyrj said:
B650 boards have a starting MSRP of $125 according to Toms Hardware which is only $10 above your cheap B550 boards. Retailer gouging and over optimistic manufacturer pricing can't be helped. Maybe lower than expected demand will lower prices.
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The difference being that those 550 boards were available at that price vs MSRP/retailer markup
 
NightReaver said:
The difference being that those 550 boards were available at that price vs MSRP/retailer markup
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That was a different time though mostly due to the longevity of the socket. If you wanted, you could have easily plugged in a new CPU to the older chipset. Coupled with the fact that the early Zen 3 adopters were forced for almost a year (IIRC) to only have X570 motherboards available. A lot less demand at the time for various reasons.

This time, you have a lot less gap between X670 and B650. You also have a brand new CPU line that is less than a month old all on a new socket.
 
kirbyrj said:
That was a different time though mostly due to the longevity of the socket. If you wanted, you could have easily plugged in a new CPU to the older chipset. Coupled with the fact that the early Zen 3 adopters were forced for almost a year (IIRC) to only have X570 motherboards available. A lot less demand at the time for various reasons.

This time, you have a lot less gap between X670 and B650. You also have a brand new CPU line that is less than a month old all on a new socket.
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Whatever the reasons, the original statement still stands. Was just responding to someone saying that motherboards haven't been cheaper for years.
 
I am not really sure why us PC Master Race folk think that we should get the best for cheap. You can only get it cheap, fast, or good, choose two of the three. And if we look back, the cheap ones were cheap for a reason.
 
ManofGod said:
I am not really sure why us PC Master Race folk think that we should get the best for cheap. You can only get it cheap, fast, or good, choose two of the three. And if we look back, the cheap ones were cheap for a reason.
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Who said we should get the best for cheap? People getting really defensive about pointing out yes, there is a pretty decent price increase. Worth it? Maybe. But it's there.

Guess we'll see if the lowest end b650 boards are really all that much better than the cheap b550s.
 
ManofGod said:
I am not really sure why us PC Master Race folk think that we should get the best for cheap. You can only get it cheap, fast, or good, choose two of the three. And if we look back, the cheap ones were cheap for a reason.
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Dude it's a motherboard, which shouldn't cost anywhere near the CPU. Also, yes you can get cheap, fast, and a good motherboard if you know where to look. Most people have no idea what to look for when it comes to motherboards. As buildzoid points out, sometimes the best motherboards are just $150, because the VRM setup is best. When it comes to motherboards the only thing that really matters is the VRM setup/quality. A lot of these motherboards still come with the same shit Realtek audio and lan chips from 10 years ago. Nobody should care about PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 because realistically it makes no difference. The worst part is that after many years its usually the motherboards that fail, but the CPU lives. So you can often find older CPU's for cheap but the motherboards cost a fortune because they are all junk that failed.

 
What are the main advantages of a X670 over a B650? I know each board has different specs slightly, but what is the main difference between the two?
 
Flogger23m said:
What are the main advantages of a X670 over a B650? I know each board has different specs slightly, but what is the main difference between the two?
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X670 Extreme - This top-end option is for users who want support for future PCI-Express 5.0 capable graphics cards. This chipset is likely to be found on all of the top-end motherboards tailored for PC enthusiasts and workstation users.

X670 - If you don't need a full compliment of PCIe 5.0 lanes, but still want a lot of fast USB ports and SATA drive connections, the normal X670 should do the trick. It does still support one fast, NVMe Gen 5 SSD as well.

B650 Extreme - This is a bit of a paradox, being an "extreme" version of a more mid-range chipset, but it might be popular with enthusiast-focused boards that are limited on space or price. It gets the same level of PCIe 5.0 support that X670 Extreme has, just with a reduced number of PCIe 4.0 lanes and USB / SATA ports.

B650 - For the time being this will be the most affordable chipset option supporting Ryzen 7000, but even if a lower model comes out I suspect this will be a popular choice for compact micro ATX and ITX motherboards. It is perfect for those who want the latest AMD CPUs and DDR5 memory, but who aren't concerned about support for bleeding-edge PCIe 5.0 devices.


https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-X670E-vs-X670-vs-B650E-vs-B650-2361/
 
Personally, I'm interested in a B650E board. I know that PCIE 5 cards aren't a thing now, but they're almost assuredly going to be a thing during the lifetime of Zen 4. Based on the stuff I want/need, the ASUS ROG Strix B650E seems pretty ideal. It doesn't seem like MSI is going to 650E route and they're usually my go-to. The plan is still to hold-out for a 7800X3D (or whatever the other "3D" options might be), but I feel like that board hits the right notes for me.
 
Flogger23m said:
What are the main advantages of a X670 over a B650? I know each board has different specs slightly, but what is the main difference between the two?
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The biggest difference is the practical application of the PCIe5 lanes
the X670 dictates they must have both the primary PCIe slot and M.2 slots wired up for PCIe5. The B650 they need only have either the primary PCIe slot or the primary M.2 slots wired for PCIe5.
Storage is the next difference the X670 supports up to 4 M.2 slots whereas the B650 tops out at 2 M.2 slots.
There are also key differences in the maximum number of supported USB ports and their versions. 2 USB 4.0 ports don't the X670 vs 1 on the B650.
I also recall reading that the x670 PCIE lanes between the chipset and the CPU were PCIe5 and that they could be either PCIe4 or PCIe5 on the B650 but I can't find conformation of that at the moment.
 
I'm seeing 3 M.2's on several of the 650E boards. Usually one PCIE 5 and a pair of 4's.
 
2GBS is still 3.3 time faster than sata 3 and considering the number of task where it is hard to see the difference between a good sata SSD and a fast good NVME drive, I would imagine 2gig of data by second would be plenty for a lot of things, like a bulk of steam and other games that do not benefit from faster than that drive, which I can imagine it would be almost all of them.
 
LukeTbk said:
2GBS is still 3.3 time faster than sata 3 and considering the number of task where it is hard to see the difference between a good sata SSD and a fast good NVME drive, I would imagine 2gig of data by second would be plenty for a lot of things, like a bulk of steam and other games that do not benefit from faster than that drive, which I can imagine it would be almost all of them.
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So I assume it will be fine for a typical QLC drive, especially if it is SATA. I assume you can run all three slots at once with the Gen 5x4 and Gen 4x4 running at their normal speeds. If so, it is nice to have that extra slot. Again, for a QLC drive or just an extra slot for cloning drives for back ups/upgrades is great.
 
Flogger23m said:
So I assume it will be fine for a typical QLC drive, especially if it is SATA. I assume you can run all three slots at once with the Gen 5x4 and Gen 4x4 running at their normal speeds. If so, it is nice to have that extra slot. Again, for a QLC drive or just an extra slot for cloning drives for back ups/upgrades is great.
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Why would it not be more than good enough for an excellent game install drive ? Is there any significant improvement to go above 2gig by second for gaming ?
 
Flogger23m said:
So I assume it will be fine for a typical QLC drive, especially if it is SATA. I assume you can run all three slots at once with the Gen 5x4 and Gen 4x4 running at their normal speeds. If so, it is nice to have that extra slot. Again, for a QLC drive or just an extra slot for cloning drives for back ups/upgrades is great.
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SATA is only 550MBs... Gen3 x 2 is 1.5GBs-ish
 
LukeTbk said:
Why would it not be more than good enough for an excellent game install drive ? Is there any significant improvement to go above 2gig by second for gaming ?
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I've seen people using ram drives to shave fractions of a second off loading times when trying to speed run things; so while "not really" also "yes, some people will care".
 
Krenum said:
New Motherboards haven't been $100 dollars in over a decade.

$159 base price has been the going rate for a long time now.
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Wrong. 2019 wasn't over a decade ago.

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Ordered on February 17, 2019

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The board was cheaper elsewhere, I just wanted to get it all in one shipment, but it was below $95 back then through non-amazon stores.
 
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