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I guess you missed the part where it's stated that these chips are designed to hit 95°C under load, regardless of power being consumed. I don't think there will be much reigning in of temps if at all.
I have very basic understanding of easier of heat transfer, cooling and so on, but should it not be much easier for a cheap cooler to do the job ?
It's not so much the wattage, but how well it gets conducted to the heatsink. It's been shown these chips have a very thick IHS which is bad for conductivity.
for now, b650 will come out, eventually....
Exactly which make me think a cheap cooler could work, it does not have to remove that much wattage (and the hotter the easier to do that), to reput the example that I edited later: maybe a 65 watt CPU made to run a 170 Celsius would not even need a fan at all with a simple heatsink. While a 65 watt cpu that want to run at 30C would need an superb cooler.
If barebones x670 costs this much, I can only imagine what b650 will cost.
the temp delta will help get the heat out of the die more quickly, but the steady state temperature of the cooler will still be driven by the total heat load it has to dissipate. The temperature of the die shouldn't affect cooler sizing, as a watt is still a watt. The cooler will heat up more quickly though.
amd says b650 boards should be as low as $125, which is normal $. GN mentions it in their 7600x vid.
Well, guess I'll wait and see how stripped down it is. Maybe we'll get a budget champion, who knows.
Lets hope so. These price premiums we are seeing on this generation are kind of nasty. AMD has said there will be boards at the 125 dollar range, but with the kind of power draw these 7000 series chips have... Makes you wonder if they will be shit or not.
B650, now with aluminum foil taped on for a heatsink and a single sata port.and most B650's are going to be neutered.. you'll have to go with B650E, and hope they don't neuter that too much
im sure theyll be fine for midrange boards with midrange features.
What? For real?
Definitely waiting to see the Der8aur delid kit coming in at $100+ or something nuts.
That's not how I understand it. From what I'm reading, you can basically put whatever cooler you want on it, and the chip will dynamically change its performance based on that 95C top out. Basically, if you put an old stock AMD cooler on it, it will throttle performance to maintain that 95C temp. If you put a custom liquid setup on it, it will throttle up as far as it can as long as it maintains or stays under 95C.
The benchmarks don't really do anything for me. Actual use cases and tangible benefits to ends users is what I'm more interested in.
You do realize that a lot of laptop components nowadays run at 100C or higher, right? That's kind of normal, actually.
They throttle to hell at that point. You still want to keep things as cool as possible.
Yes, I remember seeing GPU testing at hardware unboxed. But its limited, I time stamped it below.
100% agreed, but this is the cost of advancement. Laptop parts have been all about optimization in the last 5-6 years where you find the sweet spot between performance and efficiency and settle there. We've long since passed the point at which chips can be cooled with dinky cooling solutions and moved on to "How little cooling can we apply to this chip and still get great performance?" That's the reason a Razor Blade 14 with a 3080 is usually slower than other laptops with a 3070.
Yeah, I was just channeling my inner retard for a bit there.
Those compiling benchmark you see tend to be actual program being compiled, they are actual use case and the time saved are actual benefit. Incremental build benchmark would be nice to have has well, more common for many than clean from 0 build.
Past the 8 core models, what else than productivity would we be talking about too ? They are high-priced productivity CPU
Those new cheap have incredible efficiancy like I posted in an other thread at first glance they seem to often beat an Apple M ultra SOC in mutlithread scenario:
This. Remember when the GTX 680 was introduced with boost clocks? Everyone went ballistic because it was the END OF OVERCLOCKING!!!! Nowadays, everyone does it with both CPUs and GPUs. It's just normal. At one point 95C was "things go boom. SMOKE! FIRE! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!"
It’s possible with a slight down clock, TSMC has made adjustments to the bonding layer used in their SoIC process. Their biggest issue right now is physically stacking the chips at 5nm, they seem to fail at lining them up and ruining the chip more than 60% of the time.
newegg is sold out last I looked...I decided to go ahead and get a 7950x today. Micro Center is around 90 miles from me. I get off work at 3:30. I just checked and my wife took my Explorer to work today and left me her crappy Saturn ion that doesn't need to go on a trip that long and she won't get home until 7ish.
Wish they were on amazon. I guess I could order from new egg, but meh.
Considering its just a higher clocked Alder lake with more little cores and a higher power draw its to be expected. The 7600x for $300 is a good deal IF you didnt have to buy a new motherboard and memory.
That's pretty sad. Paid $220 for my Taichi x570. Good days.
All things that made me pick one for my TrueNAS build. That and the ECC support and 8 onboard sata ports. X570 PG. it was my first asrock board, and honestly it wasn’t any different than my asus primes. These days I’ll bring my own audio and network. Give me more slots and open ended connectors