NightReaver
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Don't think anyone is saying it's shit. just very "meh". I prefer IPC gains."this cpu is a shit release!"
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Don't think anyone is saying it's shit. just very "meh". I prefer IPC gains."this cpu is a shit release!"
The IPC gains are there though, not as big as zen 2 to zen 3, but still not too shabby. Roughly two thirds of what zen 2 to zen 3 offered, still bigger than what intel has been giving us for the past decade. But we are getting a massive clock speed bump on top as well. So overall a great generational bump. Yea the power consumption and heat output is high, but it's technically a PBO cpu. Where Zen 3 would nearly hit the exact same power consumption with PBO enabled, but with only a tiny bump in all core clock speed. The fact that we are getting above 5.5 ghz clocks, at the same wattage as a PBO mode 5950x (with a nearly 1ghz gain over a 5950x), at the same temp levels (mine hits just above 90c with PBO), is a big win in my book.Don't think anyone is saying it's shit. just very "meh". I prefer IPC gains.
Depends on what you need. Honestly. If you are doing creative workloads, the Zen4 numbers are staggering. Intel rumors are also pointing to a major uplift in performance. But at what cost? 350W Ultra power mode is kinda a slap in the face. That is some insane wattage, although their Single thread performance looks to most likely bean zen 4. Will have to wait for reviews...but leaks show it.If you have AM4 and a 5XXX cpu keep it for gaming only needs or grab 5800X 3D. If you need thread count and have Solid AM4+32GB of ram a 5950 looks fantastic deal for production workloads. For new system now I am not sure what I would do. Probably AM4 still due to cost of boards, memory and power needs....
I mean, the review posted earlier showed a 3% increase. So I guess technically yes, "it's there".The IPC gains are there though, not as big as zen 2 to zen 3, but still not too shabby.
That's one benchmark. Where here, normalized at 4ghz, it's showing a 7.5% bump. I would never take one review as fact when it comes to these things....Too many variables.I mean, the review posted earlier showed a 3% increase. So I guess technically yes, "it's there".
Sure, it's neat that they managed to cram more wattage into Ryzen while staying stable (even it it comes with a disclaimer of "95c is totally fine"). Idk, just a big shift from what I've been used to ever since replacing my bulldozer with a Ryzen 1600 way back when..It's actually a rather impressive package.
What were you expecting exactly? You're showing us a chart where $300 CPU's are performing on par with $500-800 chips. Clearly a beefier CPU is going to have minimal effect with a GPU bottleneck, as it does in most modern games in 4k.
It's actually the same wattage and thermals as Zen 3...If you enable PBO. my 5950x hits roughly the same wattage, and temps. I will admit the zen 3 arch was insanely optimized for it's default values. At stock, my 5950x is around 110-140watts. But as soon as I enable PBO to, 220-250watts, mid 90c load, with higher all core clocks...Although the all core wasn't a massive boost.Sure, it's neat that they managed to cram more wattage into Ryzen while staying stable (even it it comes with a disclaimer of "95c is totally fine"). Idk, just a big shift from what I've been used to ever since replacing my bulldozer with a Ryzen 1600 way back when.
what about with a 3090+ to eliminate that GPU bottleneck effectWhat were you expecting exactly? You're showing us a chart where $300 CPU's are performing on par with $500-800 chips. Clearly a beefier CPU is going to have minimal effect with a GPU bottleneck, as it does in most modern games in 4k.
As someone that does a lot of encoding, the productivity benchmarks are quite impressive. I'm not in a rush to upgrade, but no complaints here. 95C is pretty crazy, but if it's stable and doesn't throttle, I don't see it being a big deal. That kind of power usage isn't new either - I've seen some people use manual PPT settings with 240-270W on 5950X's.
It's decent, but not impressive in my view. It's proof that Moore's Law truly is dead. In order to get good performance gains that customers are expecting, they had to resort to massive power increase and pushing thermals to the absolute limit. They achieved those performance gains, but not in an ideal way.That's one benchmark. Where here, normalized at 4ghz, it's showing a 7.5% bump. I would never take one review as fact when it comes to these things....Too many variables.
But I believe tunnel visioning on just IPC increase at a normalized spec isn't the best way to review this gen. Normally it would be... But considering how massive the multithreaded performance bump is, and single thread as well (At the hands of much higher clocks). Especially with the massive boost we got in clock speeds this generation. Just focusing on single threaded normalized ipc ends up being an apples to oranges comparison for this gen (Which normally would not be the case). Now if they both had the same boost clocks, absolutely. But when you sample the whole cake, and not just the sum of its parts...It's actually a rather impressive package.
what about with a 3090+ to eliminate that GPU bottleneck effect
It's all rumors at this point, but there are lots of "insiders" claiming that there will be a 3D versions of one or more Zen4 CPU's coming early next year. The same folks say an announcement will coming later this year - possibly rather soon depending on what Intel has in store.
I think that was the original intent but giving the heat the 7950x is giving off a 3D cache version is not possible at this time.I keep thinking they lowered the price on the 7950X so they can slot a 7950X3D over it at some point in the next year.
Some of that 7% is likely due to the transition to AM5. I guess AMD had to go AM5 eventually, but I still think a tri-channel AM4+ support for Zen 3+ would have been tits. They could have brought other new features as well while letting people use their old dual channel boards and simply adding 1 memory module if they want to upgrade it. It would have been great for the 5600g/5700g APU performance as well.That's one benchmark. Where here, normalized at 4ghz, it's showing a 7.5% bump. I would never take one review as fact when it comes to these things....Too many variables.
But I believe tunnel visioning on just IPC increase at a normalized spec isn't the best way to review this gen. Normally it would be... But considering how massive the multithreaded performance bump is, and single thread as well (At the hands of much higher clocks). Especially with the massive boost we got in clock speeds this generation. Just focusing on single threaded normalized ipc ends up being an apples to oranges comparison for this gen (Which normally would not be the case). Now if they both had the same boost clocks, absolutely. But when you sample the whole cake, and not just the sum of its parts...It's actually a rather impressive package.
The new platform adoption cost is the main barrier to entry at the moment. I took some time to look at the reviews in a bit more depth and the new chips are, indeed, productivity beasts.No doubt I would wait for the sub $200 B-650 boards. So it makes sense then getting a 7600x, B650, and DDR5 instead of the 5800x3d and B550 if you are sitting on an old platform as you would have a much longer upgrade path and better I/O.
For now the $350+ MBs is what really screws things up. Also, we need to see more 7600x undervolting results to see if this can be a bit more efficient and less power/cooler demanding.
It seem to be incredibly efficient too no:I can't get excited about the "inefficiencies" and the power usage. The 7600x is now a 105w chip.. Back to the old MOAR POWER and MOAR GHZ era
The new platform adoption cost is the main barrier to entry at the moment.
Seem a bit self-explanatory no ? Compiling for developer got faster, baking and other more specific game developer has well.More yummy benchmarks that mean what to whom? Exactly?
I agree, the cost of ownership is just too high for the gains being shown in these reviews. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach for these new CPU and GPU releases.So far for me, the most interesting info is the performance at the eco modes. Unfortunately, the adoption costs make these new chips less interesting. At least until Intel releases their stuff and we see the true price/perf of this generation. That and the new 3D chips in 3-6 months.
Which one?The cheapest am5 board at MC is $260 and looks extremely barebones lol.
Same one. Looking at the specs I guess it isn't terrible...but it looks a lot lower end than the taichi x570 I got for a bit less.Which one?
On Newegg lowest priced is the ASRock X670E PG Lightning @ $259.99 ( $244.99 after rebate )
for an ..70 level board was surprised at first, but wonder if it would not someone common considering the 4 m.2 slot and the m.2 drive pricing relative to the sata a lot of many drives new build will not have any sata SSD, still achieve to be an 8 hard drive without expansion card board.only 4 SATA ports
Wow, even the cheapest boards I've looked at in the past have had six SATA ports. Maybe they're redirecting the bandwidth for more PCI-E drives?Same one. Looking at the specs I guess it isn't terrible...but it looks a lot lower end than the taichi x570 I got for a bit less.
*edit* lol only 4 SATA ports. Low end stuff there.
Spec says 3, unless I'm missing one.4 m.2 slot
Yes, most people are buying m.2 now since they're cheaper than SATA in a lot of cases.Wow, even the cheapest boards I've looked at in the past have had six SATA ports. Maybe they're redirecting the bandwidth for more PCI-E drives?
Could be me (looking here: https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X670E PG Lightning/index.asp), seem to have a small one Key-e for wireless and those:Spec says 3, unless I'm missing one.
Okay, MCs listing wasn't as clear. I see it on the board now. The WW1/2 zigzag naval camo doesn't help...Could be me (looking here: https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X670E PG Lightning/index.asp), seem to have a small one Key-e for wireless and those:
- 1 Blazing M.2 (PCIe Gen5x4),
1 Hyper M.2 (PCIe Gen4x4),
1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3x4 & SATA3),
1 M.2 (PCIe Gen4x2),
4 SATA3
I'd rather they get the remote unlock for the GPU. I'm tired of using the rubber end of the pencil to remove mineI'm digging the built-in GPU sag device in the ASRock boards
Amen. That mechanism could use some updates, I'm pretty tired of it.I'd rather they get the remote unlock for the GPU. I'm tired of using the rubber end of the eraser to remove mine