Odyssey Neo G8 - 4K 240 Hz 32" Quantum Mini LED

I'd argue that things like scanlines at 240 Hz are not going to be noticeable in anything but desktop use. Games that can actually run at 4K 240 Hz are most likely multiplayer shooters that are fast paced enough that you aren't going to care. For everything else, reaching 4K 120 Hz is going to be a challenge with today's GPUs unless you don't mind dropping details quite a bit.

Similarly most people are not going to be bothered by HDR shenanigans in real use. Samsung does deserve flack for making the display appear better than it is in test situations as that is almost misleading marketing.

While Samsung definitely has things they could do better, I think enthusiast forums often miss the forest for the trees. Obviously we can all choose our dealbreakers. For me the curve is probably a bigger factor for not going with this model.
 
Not to mention (regarding the brightness in test patterns vs real-word), S95B was found to be doing the same thing on HDTV reviews. The image processor, when detecting standard test patterns, seems to dial things in differently so that the TV measures fine. Once you fool it though (give it a 9% window and not a 10%, for example), it becomes clear that S95B is manipulating its gamma curve to over-emphasize the contrast advantage of OLED. This also comes with some over saturation too. There seems to be no way to turn it off.

Which... if I'm honest. I don't care if a display punches it up a bit to stand out. But if there's no way to turn this shit off, it's a dealbreaker for me.
 
The biggest problem with the Neo G9's HDR presentation is that it tracked EOTF in a way that just seems random. Its too dark at the low end crushing dark scenes and up top it gets too bright blowing everything out.

I don't really care if this thing only does 900nit highlights in real content, the real problem is it just won't present HDR correctly because of a wonky EOTF. I hate the direction Samsung has gone with their displays.
 
I was planning on trying it but now not even going to bother. I've come to the realization that I just can't use a LCD anymore and have gone OLED everything (TV/Monitor/Laptop/Phone).

Now I just need to find a refrigerator with a OLED screen.

EDIT: At least they're being real with the specs this time:

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Here's the Neo G9 for comparison:

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SoCali said:
I was planning on trying it but now not even going to bother. I've come to the realization that I just can't use a LCD anymore and have gone OLED everything (TV/Monitor/Laptop/Phone).

Now I just need to find a refrigerator with a OLED screen.

EDIT: At least they're being real with the specs this time:

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Here's the Neo G9 for comparison:

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Seeing how much the Neo G9 underperformed, I'm wondering if the Neo G8 will even be able to hit 1,000 nits peak brightness. Aside from the HDR performance, still pretty impressed by a 4K 240Hz screen. Is there any other 4K/240Hz screen that's been announced? I think this is pretty much it, right?
 
I'll be ordering it. I wonder what this "reservation" I signed up for actually means? Like I have secured one and will get an email link to purchase it?
 
It's matte. The reservation is nothing more than a $50 coupon code that's provided for you to use at checkout via emailed link. It guarantees nothing and you'll still need to manually purchase come 6/6.

They do the same style promotion with their phone launches.
 
They are definitely playing loose with the phrase "reserve now" then.
 
Reminds me of the simpsons episode where NO MONEY DOWN really meant
NO. MONEY DOWN! lol
 
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I've decided to give this thing a go after returning the fan pulsing AW3423DW. I'm too much of a sucker for 32" size and it's PPI at 4K. All that remains is if the curve will be tolerable.
 
Im looking forward to this POS....hopefully they dont screw it up like every other monitor since 2011
 
JohnnyFlash said:
There are plenty of us that would never buy a glossy monitor.
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I understand the sentiment, but a matte coating means you'll never have true black... so you lose the REAL benefit of OLED or FALD.

I can see how people don't like sharp reflections, but to me, matte AG coatings remove sharp reflections so you can clearly see an inferior image. great for brightly lit office environments where you don't care how nice your excel spreadsheet looks.
 
TBH it would be hard for me to tell the difference in black level between a Neo G9 and the AW3423DW in a day lit room. It's only when my environment gets dim that OLED walks away.

This monitor measures 2x the ANSI contrast ratio of a Neo G9 because its 4000:1 native and uses a better FALD algorithm (manual hints at a cinema mode?) so I think black levels in either bright or dark environment will be acceptable regardless of coating but it could have for sure benefited from a semi gloss at least. I think one of the reasons they won't bother is because the extreme curvature will make reflections even more severe. Main reason they don't is because Samsung does tons of market research and the reality is most prefer matte.
 
I think the monitor does have a cinema HDR mode now besides standard and dynamic so hopefully that's the equivalent filmmaker mode for the monitor.

I still don't understand why they don't let the FALD flex with a 4th HDR mode that ignores blooming and let's it blast highlights to 2000nits.
 
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I think the monitor does have a cinema HDR mode now besides standard and dynamic so hopefully that's the equivalent filmmaker mode for the monitor.

I still don't understand why they don't let the FALD flex with a 4th HDR mode that ignores blooming and let's it blast highlights to 2000nits.
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Cause it would probably melt...or need an industrial sized fan....and we know how the ladies here get their knickers up over brrrrrring fans...
 
I think I've been convinced to sell my AW3423DW QD-OLED to get the Neo G8

"In practice, the Neo G9's glow is imperceptible. A combination of good screen quality, physical design and clever software modulation makes it so that you basically don't see the glow from the FALD.
You can... if you stand off angle... but front on (i.e. normal/main seating position), even with white on black, it's pretty much perfect. I have an OLED screen in the same room to compare, and... it's comparable."

I've read the same thing from numerous people on reddit ^

Also, according to the product description on b&h, this monitor has a base contrast ratio of 4000:1 which is even better than the G9 so it seems like the black levels are going to be very great with hardly noticeable blooming. I'm looking to get better sharpness and detail over the AW3423DW without losing too much contrast in dark scenes so this seems like a good buy.
 
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I think I've been convinced to sell my AW3423DW QD-OLED to get the Neo G8

"In practice, the Neo G9's glow is imperceptible. A combination of good screen quality, physical design and clever software modulation makes it so that you basically don't see the glow from the FALD.
You can... if you stand off angle... but front on (i.e. normal/main seating position), even with white on black, it's pretty much perfect. I have an OLED screen in the same room to compare, and... it's comparable."

I've read the same thing from numerous people on reddit ^

Also, according to the product description on b&h, this monitor has a base contrast ratio of 4000:1 which is even better than the G9 so it seems like the black levels are going to be very great with hardly noticeable blooming. I'm looking to get better sharpness and detail over the AW3423DW without losing too much contrast in dark scenes so this seems like a good buy.
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I don't think you should be convinced already when the monitor isn't even out and reviewed yet. May end up being a complete shitshow like the Neo G9 was at launch.
 
There is a comprehensive review here. This guy does some amazing display reviews:

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV18A4y1S7xn?from=seopage

A TLDR of said review:

https://forum.pcmonitors.info/topic...ey-neo-g8-review-notes-from-translated-video/

Both the above are what made me decide to try it. Guy says HDR performance is significantly better than Neo G9 + it's 4K 240hz with response times similar to the prior G7 (4ms average G2G). Add to this that it measures 2x higher contrast with FALD enabled compared to G9.

Also one of the few monitors with HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4 where HDMI offers an advantage due to it actually being implemented with decent bandwidth (12bit vs 10bit).

At this point I don't really care. After discounts it will cost me $1300. If I don't like it back it goes.

My only fear is DSE/FALD grid and whether the curve is tolerable. It will take multiple firmware updates to make it shine but at least it's firmware updatable unlike the AW which you have to RMA and replace.
 
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There is a comprehensive review here. This guy does some amazing display reviews:

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV18A4y1S7xn?from=seopage

A TLDR of said review:

https://forum.pcmonitors.info/topic...ey-neo-g8-review-notes-from-translated-video/

Both the above are what made me decide to try it. Guy says HDR performance is significantly better than Neo G9 + it's 4K 240hz with response times similar to the prior G7 (4ms average G2G). Add to this that it measures 2x higher contrast with FALD enabled compared to G9.

Also one of the few monitors with HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4 where HDMI offers an advantage due to it actually being implemented with decent bandwidth (12bit vs 10bit).

At this point I don't really care. After discounts it will cost me $1300. If I don't like it back it goes.

My only fear is DSE/FALD grid and whether the curve is tolerable. It will take multiple firmware updates to make it shine but at least it's firmware updatable unlike the AW which you have to RMA and replace.
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Another thing that's missing is the overdrive behavior with adaptive sync on. Maintaining a consistent 240fps at 4k is a really tall order so how well the overdrive performs across the entire refresh rate is gonna be important to me. According to reviews of the G7 it's mostly good but one of my buddies was complaining about very noticeable overshoot in Dying Light 2's nighttime cycles and he gets around 100-140fps at 1440p whereas in games where he can get 240fps he can't spot any overshoot.
 
All of Samsungs CSOT panel based displays that do 240hz exhibit overshoot with VRR active which is at it's worst around 200hz but measures like "standard" OD with VRR off. It's basically inevitable when they are tuning the VRR OD at the brink of the panels capability along with a 1 size fits all approach without variable OD covering such a wide refresh rate range.

The Neo G9's overshoot bothered me pretty badly and it's mainly because they pushed the dark transitions much harder than this. I'll take a 10ms dark transitions over pale ghosting all day.

This is suppose to be comparable to the G7 which according to HWunboxed has 5-6% less overall overshoot than the G9 so I'm hoping it's at least acceptable to the eye but I know that it will be without a doubt visible in certain scenarios.
 
But this chapter is really underwhelming, especially the 100%/450cd/m² part:

„Claimed 2000 cd/m² for HDR achieved and exceeded (2663 cd/m²) for a 10% window. ~953 cd/m² for 1% window and ~1408-1464 cd/m² for 3-4% window recorded. Dropped to ~683 cd/m² for 50% window, ~464 cd/m² for 75% window and ~450 cd/m² for 100% window. Compare this to PG32UQX which is able to sustain ~1200 cd/m²+ for a 100% window.
Basically this shows a fairly aggressive Automatic Brightness Limiter (ABL) on the Neo G8 and will mean there’s noticeable dimming in scenes where bright shades dominate. Think bright daylight scenes with plenty of sky, sun-kissed landscapes etc.“
 
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Yeah I suppose so but for me the least important measurement is full field brightness. I'd much rather the 10% and 25% window sizes get a big boost.
 
2600 nits is pretty nutty though. My current X27 can "only" do 1100 nits on a 10% window but the 50%-100% window brightness is higher from 700 nits down to 650 nits for full field and I actually find that to already be eye searing, at least when compared to my OLED.
 
Here's the manual for anyone interested. Looks like I was mistaken and it's menu options look identical to the Neo G9 with the exception of 21:9 modes and 27/24, etc specific display area sizes. Like the Neo G9, it's limited to 120hz or 240hz, nothing in between.

https://gofile.io/d/NWMJFA
 
No. I'm telling you the only available output refresh rates are 120hz or 240hz. Something in between like 200hz could have been used to prevent scanlines but we'll see if custom resolutions work.
 
Here's a good article on the recent cheating Samsungs been doing with it's TV's by detecting the commonly used 10% test pattern and momentarily boosting brightness to hit figures that are impossible in real content.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1654235588

This monitor and the Neo G9 are also guilty of this which is why it measures 2600nits for 3 seconds and quickly drops to the panels real sustained peak output which is less than half that.
 
SoCali said:
Here's a good article on the recent cheating Samsungs been doing with it's TV's by detecting the commonly used 10% test pattern and momentarily boosting brightness to hit figures that are impossible in real content.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1654235588

This monitor and the Neo G9 are also guilty of this which is why it measures 2600nits for 3 seconds and quickly drops to the panels real sustained peak output which is less than half that.
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Funny enough, OLED’s contrast is so good that this cheating really shouldn’t be necessary. I think though, that it’s a shame that the nature of the cheating wasn’t discussed in the article. Basically, on 10% windows the TV *stops* boosting the output, so that it can be calibrated. Otherwise the tv skews the gamma so that it pops. For the S95, it wasn’t trying to fudge review numbers. It was trying to look good in a show room.

Not making excuses for Samsung. Cheating is cheating and thanks to Vincent I was steering clear of this and was going to wait for the Sony. But now that Samsung is fixing this, I may reconsider.
 
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At this point I don't really care. After discounts it will cost me $1300. If I don't like it back it goes.
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Dang, where are you getting those discounts? I suppose it might be a little too late to be asking now lol.
 
SoCali said:
Here's a good article on the recent cheating Samsungs been doing with it's TV's by detecting the commonly used 10% test pattern and momentarily boosting brightness to hit figures that are impossible in real content.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1654235588

This monitor and the Neo G9 are also guilty of this which is why it measures 2600nits for 3 seconds and quickly drops to the panels real sustained peak output which is less than half that.
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So, garbago then?
 
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