Ford Mustang Mach E Leak: Mustang goes Electric

Seems to be about 15k more expensive than a 3.5l hybrid on the lariat. Does include the Pro charger though. And the 7500 tax credit covers the sales tax…. I mean, I don’t fit height or shoulder wise in a model 3, and the Y starts at 60k these days. 72k for something with a bed and 300 miles of range actually seems really reasonable.
 
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He has to drive out of his way to a charging station.

Even if I was enthusiastic about EVs, I couldn't charge one without paving my office. I don't understand why some people are so gung-ho about these.

I mean, I'm sure I've said it before, I can install a charger to use on the street, for anyone and everyone who parks there. So long as I pay for it, of course.
 
Even if I was enthusiastic about EVs, I couldn't charge one without paving my office. I don't understand why some people are so gung-ho about these.

I mean, I'm sure I've said it before, I can install a charger to use on the street, for anyone and everyone who parks there. So long as I pay for it, of course.
Anyone excited about EVs hasn't done the math on the electricity costs. ...or they live in Taxifornia where camping out at a supercharger station and paying a $10 fee to use one to avoid $5/gallon gas almost makes sense (by design).

Looked into a RAV4 Prime PHEV recently for funzies. Then did the math. Never pay itself off. $2 to charge its 18.1kwh battery. That gets you 42 miles of range. That's the same as 1 gallon of gas (~$3) on the hybrid. ...and I live in the second cheapest electrical cost state in the nation... Add to that the fact that nearly every station charges for electricity - it's stupid.

563 hp though. Bet it is a hoot to drive, at least until your battery dies.
True. Rode in a Model Y. Mad acceleration. Battery powered cars have that instant torque thing going for them.

@sfsuphysics - as you said, solar made sense for you because it was subsidized by the state. The state is the problem - vote for better politicians. The state significantly impacts the rates of the for profit companies. Electric rates are as high as they are, because of state meddling. Now the state is proposing to charge people for connecting to grid and producing power. Don't understand your hate on for profit companies. If allowed to operate freely (within reason), the costs would be much lower. You are totally correct about the state of nuclear, but obviously it is the hippies / regulators in this country that are impeding progress - other countries are building out new plants or extending capacity of existing plants - we're falling behind.
 
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Anyone excited about EVs hasn't done the math on the electricity costs.
I have. I have time of day charging and average 5.1 cents/KWh if I only charge between 10PM and 6AM at home (that's like getting gas at ~$0.60/gallon based off my average 3 mi/KWh). Only scheduled maintenance is at 150k and 200k miles for my Mach-E. I am now 100% work from home and that won't change unless I get a different job so I only drive about 5k miles a year now so I won't even make it to 150k miles before I get rid of it. The only thing I will ever have to replace is tires (not even breaks as I almost never touch them due to 1-pedal driving). So after tax, title, license, electrical outlet install and all tax breaks, my Mach-E (4WD Select) will be ~$44k (I got a 0% 36-month loan). Only about $800/year to insure too.
 
Even if I was enthusiastic about EVs, I couldn't charge one without paving my office. I don't understand why some people are so gung-ho about these.

I mean, I'm sure I've said it before, I can install a charger to use on the street, for anyone and everyone who parks there. So long as I pay for it, of course.
He actually wanted to buy a Supra but his wife put foot down with a solid no.
 
True. Rode in a Model Y. Mad acceleration. Battery powered cars have that instant torque thing going for them.
Real world test shows the Mach E taking nearly a minute to go from 100 km/h to 200 km/h. 4.62 seconds to 100 km/h, which is about how fast the Mustang High Performance Package (I4 turbo) hits 100 km/h with the A10.

https://v.redd.it/kbxfvrppni981
 
Real world test shows the Mach E taking nearly a minute to go from 100 km/h to 200 km/h. 4.62 seconds to 100 km/h, which is about how fast the Mustang High Performance Package (I4 turbo) hits 100 km/h with the A10.

https://v.redd.it/kbxfvrppni981
To be fair, no one should be doing north of 150km/h anywhere in the US (on public roads) as that shit is very dangerous for everyone on the road.
 
The real question is why the FUCK the Mustang brand is going on a four-door vehicle.

The primary reasons I bought my Mustang was because it can actually drive up a hill unlike many other cars, and because it was a coupe.

Disgusting. They should have made it a coupe, that brand means nothing anymore if it's going on an SUV. If you need four doors, a muscle car is not for you.
 
I really don't understand brand loyalty with a system like cars. If they actually cared about the customers and not profit they'd heavily lobby to eliminate the dealership system. Dealerships charging 5-50k+ for market adjustments is insane. I'd much rather see the msrp go up and not have the dealerships pad their profits providing a service that is wildly unnecessary with the ability to google.
 
I really don't understand brand loyalty with a system like cars. If they actually cared about the customers and not profit they'd heavily lobby to eliminate the dealership system. Dealerships charging 5-50k+ for market adjustments is insane. I'd much rather see the msrp go up and not have the dealerships pad their profits providing a service that is wildly unnecessary with the ability to google.
Not every dealer is shady like that. The Ford dealership I brought is charging MSRP and don't tack on dealer options. The only car they really over charged for was the one Mustang GT 500.
 
I have. I have time of day charging and average 5.1 cents/KWh if I only charge between 10PM and 6AM at home (that's like getting gas at ~$0.60/gallon based off my average 3 mi/KWh). Only scheduled maintenance is at 150k and 200k miles for my Mach-E. I am now 100% work from home and that won't change unless I get a different job so I only drive about 5k miles a year now so I won't even make it to 150k miles before I get rid of it. The only thing I will ever have to replace is tires (not even breaks as I almost never touch them due to 1-pedal driving). So after tax, title, license, electrical outlet install and all tax breaks, my Mach-E (4WD Select) will be ~$44k (I got a 0% 36-month loan). Only about $800/year to insure too.
I have also done the math, also work from home, and my numbers look even better than yours as my home Solar setup is producing just shy of 1 MWh surplus / year. Right now I'm using that for computers for folding@home, but that much extra juice covers a lot of what I would use driving, and my wife can charge for free at work. The idea of having essentially no maintenance and no fuel cost really makes EV appealing.
 
Not every dealer is shady like that. The Ford dealership I brought is charging MSRP and don't tack on dealer options. The only car they really over charged for was the one Mustang GT 500.
Must be nice. We're in the market for a new vehicle and every dealership we've been in contact with in FL has had a 5k+ markup on any of the vehicles we're interested in ranging from subaru, ford, nissan, VW. Honestly we'll probably buy a tesla. We were planning on holding off on electric for 5 ish years but our current mindset is f the dealership model.
 
The real question is why the FUCK the Mustang brand is going on a four-door vehicle.

The primary reasons I bought my Mustang was because it can actually drive up a hill unlike many other cars, and because it was a coupe.

Disgusting. They should have made it a coupe, that brand means nothing anymore if it's going on an SUV. If you need four doors, a muscle car is not for you.
I can understand, but I also just can't get that upset about it. It's a brand name for a car, not a newborn child... so long as it's a good vehicle, the name is almost incidental. I'd drive a Yugo EV if it was fast, tech-savvy and reliable.
 
I can understand, but I also just can't get that upset about it. It's a brand name for a car, not a newborn child... so long as it's a good vehicle, the name is almost incidental. I'd drive a Yugo EV if it was fast, tech-savvy and reliable.
nope, they ruined the name for no reason.
oh and here ya go
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I thinking about trading my '16 f150 luxobarge in for a 'lectric one, allegedly they'll give me 42k tradein on it. I like that my dogs can ride in it and there is no exhaust to leak so they can sit in HVAC'd glory for a while until the battery dies if need be.
 
I can understand, but I also just can't get that upset about it. It's a brand name for a car, not a newborn child... so long as it's a good vehicle, the name is almost incidental. I'd drive a Yugo EV if it was fast, tech-savvy and reliable.
I'd happily drive a real Mustang EV. I'm looking forward to that rumored hybrid. This CUV EV looks nice and all, but it should not be called a Mustang.
 
I can understand, but I also just can't get that upset about it. It's a brand name for a car, not a newborn child... so long as it's a good vehicle, the name is almost incidental. I'd drive a Yugo EV if it was fast, tech-savvy and reliable.
I feel the same. I don't understand why people get so upset over a name for a car that they wouldn't have bought anyway, regardless of the name. Honestly I think it was a brilliant marketing strategy for Ford. It has name recognition for those who aren't car people, it gets everyone talking about it (even if they hate the name), and EV GT version is very close to the ICE GT version, in terms of performance (if I recall correctly). I have the Select AWD version and it is plenty fast for me (unlike my last car that just laughed at me when I put my foot down).
 
I really don't understand brand loyalty with a system like cars.
Automakers spend absolutely disgusting gobs of money making advertisements just to make sure people want their product and are loyal to it. Want to hit the patriotic demographic? Lets make a commercial showing George Washington attacking the British driving a Dodge Charger!! (or some other car, I forgot the exact brand/model), and largely it works on people.
 
Automakers spend absolutely disgusting gobs of money making advertisements just to make sure people want their product and are loyal to it. Want to hit the patriotic demographic? Lets make a commercial showing George Washington attacking the British driving a Dodge Charger!! (or some other car, I forgot the exact brand/model), and largely it works on people.
My favorites are the commercials showing people dropping loads of rocks into the truck beds, you're not a man unless you take a backhoe and drop a ton of rocks into the bed of your pickup! :ROFLMAO:
 
My favorites are the commercials showing people dropping loads of rocks into the truck beds, you're not a man unless you take a backhoe and drop a ton of rocks into the bed of your pickup! :ROFLMAO:
Yup, that truck bed needs to bottom out before bouncing back up RAWR!

I remember the first SUV commercials, showing people driving all up and down the hillside (off road of course) and just relaxing with nature out of the back of their car SUV, because it's a SPORTS Utility Vehicle! It didn't hurt either that they were also going after the minivan crowd too that wanted an out of being seen driving them.
 
Yup, that truck bed needs to bottom out before bouncing back up RAWR!

I remember the first SUV commercials, showing people driving all up and down the hillside (off road of course) and just relaxing with nature out of the back of their car SUV, because it's a SPORTS Utility Vehicle! It didn't hurt either that they were also going after the minivan crowd too that wanted an out of being seen driving them.


 
There are 4 or 5 cars in American history that are truly iconic and the Mustang is one of them. If your a car guy, seeing the Mustang name on anything but a muscle car is blasphemous. Its particularly noxious when seen on a weird mini van wanna be thing.
 
There are 4 or 5 cars in American history that are truly iconic and the Mustang is one of them. If your a car guy, seeing the Mustang name on anything but a muscle car is blasphemous. Its particularly noxious when seen on a weird mini van wanna be thing.
Car guys must have died in the 80s with that version of Mustang, nice little hatchback version, or perhaps the 4 cylinder coupe they had with a whopping 88hp on the base model!
 
the original mustang in 64 1/2 was just a secretary car....a pony car....it wasnt until Carrol Shelby sold his GT350 to Hertz rental cars ... as the GT350H that the "muscle" part of the mustang started to take off with the Rent-a-Racer. then of course in the 1968 film "Bullitt" that had the nearly 11min chase scene with the 1968 Mustang fastback really helped put the muscle into the mustang....as did the 428 CJ and SCJ motors (pretty sure 428CJ was available in 67 as well).

having owned 3 actual Mach 1 cars (a pair of '71s and a '72) i can certainly say that this electric cars styling does NOT live up to the name of Mach
and please oh please never let anything electric have the same name as my "R" code 1971 BOSS 351 Mustang
BOSS should only be on a v8 with a motor mostly developed for racing (like the 302 or 429) or an actual race car like used in the Trans-Am series. 40+ years of nascar motors is the evolution of the 351 BOSS thanks to Robert Yates, Jack Roush and Elliot Brothers. and the competition is created with bowtie and pentastar products
 
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Idk seeing it in person everyday it is growing on me. Would I ever buy one? No. Idgaf about electric cars.
 
Unless you want to look like the baddest meth maker in town.
Or you've been using a lot of said maker's product... especially if you think this looks like an Aztek. I think it's closer to a more rounded version of a Porsche SUV myself
 
Car guys must have died in the 80s with that version of Mustang, nice little hatchback version, or perhaps the 4 cylinder coupe they had with a whopping 88hp on the base model!
Then there was the SVO (I4 turbo) that made more power than the V8 at the time.
 
Or you've been using a lot of said maker's product... especially if you think this looks like an Aztek. I think it's closer to a more rounded version of a Porsche SUV myself
The point is that it looks like garbage. Don't take it too personally.

EV's generally look like shit, as do most modern cars.

I'll point out at least the Aztek is an Aztek. You know damn well what it is. The Mach E looks so generic that no one will remember it in a decade. It's the general CUV/SUV amorphous blob style of recent.

The funny part is that the Aztek, if you can find one in decent condition, is going to be a future collectable just due to the awful but unique styling.
 
The point is that it looks like garbage. Don't take it too personally.

EV's generally look like shit, as do most modern cars.
I can understand, I remember the Chevy Volt concept which looked sleek and mean AF... then Chevy said "hmmm lets just strap a Malibu body to it, it'll be so much cheaper to do!"
 
EV's generally look like shit, as do most modern cars.
Design by wind tunnel/ computer model has removed just about all character from cars. People can cope themselves into accepting it as the "new norm" and "but look at that acceleration!", but it doesn't change anything. Looks/ character have been reduced to practically nothing.
 
Design by wind tunnel/ computer model has removed just about all character from cars. People can cope themselves into accepting it as the "new norm" and "but look at that acceleration!", but it doesn't change anything. Looks/ character have been reduced to practically nothing.
This is why i've given up on modern cars. I drive around a $15k Hyundai for my daily, and i've got a collection of older cars that i'm spending all my money on. I didn't see any point spending $100k-$200k on a higher-end performance car when they don't even interest me anymore. I've got a 2002 M Coupe w/ 20k miles, and a 1995 850csi w/ 15k miles. Still building my collection.
 
Design by wind tunnel/ computer model has removed just about all character from cars. People can cope themselves into accepting it as the "new norm" and "but look at that acceleration!", but it doesn't change anything. Looks/ character have been reduced to practically nothing.
Go back to designing aero by using strands of wool.
 
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