Forgive me Father, for I have sinned...

Yeah, I think it is going to be a beast. Especially since I do development, I read that the compile times are like 5x better (than the 8700K I'm on).

I tried to save a little money by getting the second best in class parts, but I guess the PC Gods had other plans for my machine.
 
cybereality said:
Yeah, I think it is going to be a beast. Especially since I do development, I read that the compile times are like 5x better (than the 8700K I'm on).

I tried to save a little money by getting the second best in class parts, but I guess the PC Gods had other plans for my machine.
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If you do development and get paid for it, then your PC is a deductible professional expense. ;)
 
cybereality said:
Couldn't take it. I bought a GPU off a scalper. The XFX Speedster MERC319 6800XT.

Cost me $1,500 but I should be able to sell my 2080 Ti for a decent price, so it won't be too bad.

No, I don't feel great about it, but I had a little extra money this month and decided to treat myself.
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I gave you a like for being open, but it's starting to become a serious option. I'm still waiting for regular stock at MSRP, and will not budge out of principle. The only game I can't play is Cyperpunk, so I am content to wait.
 
TrevorR said:
So what does the 6800xt do that the 2080ti couldn't do?
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Agree. The 2080Ti is likely within 10-15% of a 6800xt in the real world... I had a 6900XT and it wasn't blowing the doors off my 2080Ti at the time. My 3090 is much better but not quite as much as I had hoped. But much better than the 6900XT.
 
I was happy with the 2080 Ti performance. My main reason was that I want to switch to Linux full-time and the AMD open-source drivers are better supported.

For example, there is a long running bug on Nvidia where the desktop graphics crash when the OS goes to sleep. So if you have any applications open, like Firefox, they will get messed up.

There are also features missing, mainly the new Wayland, which doesn't work on Nvidia yet so you cannot game with it.

Yeah, I could wait for Nvidia to fix it, but I'd prefer to support AMD if they are already making an effort to provide better support.
 
cybereality said:
I was happy with the 2080 Ti performance. My main reason was that I want to switch to Linux full-time and the AMD open-source drivers are better supported.

For example, there is a long running bug on Nvidia where the desktop graphics crash when the OS goes to sleep. So if you have any applications open, like Firefox, they will get messed up.

There are also features missing, mainly the new Wayland, which doesn't work on Nvidia yet so you cannot game with it.

Yeah, I could wait for Nvidia to fix it, but I'd prefer to support AMD if they are already making an effort to provide better support.
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There is one thing I would like to note because I'm a user of Oracle Solaris and OpenIndiana. nVidia's Unix drivers are not as bad as you're being led to believe by the out of the box experience in many Linux distributions. They use something called "nouveau" out of the box because of their ideology and make it as difficult as possible to use nVidia's official Linux drivers which actually work fairly well. One of the excuses for this in recent years is something called "Wayland" which conveniently also allows the Linux community to break compatibility with other Unix variants while still claiming to be open source. AMD's drivers are technically open source, yes, but they're also so Linux specific that they can't easily be used to enable Radeon GPUs to run on anything but Linux. And drivers in general would have to be kernel-level and less portable to run that way.

I can honestly say that on Solaris, and on Linux distributions that use the official nVidia drivers and X11, nVidia cards work very well. In fact on Solaris, nVidia is the only thing that works well... the support for Intel integrated graphics is always a few generations behind, and AMD stuff isn't supported at all. But nVidia's Unix drivers will support a 3080.on that platform.

Sometimes I feel like open source has gone from being a way of improving interoperability, to just an excuse large projects hide behind so they can increase code churn and rapid fire standards changes to the point where smaller projects can't easily keep up, and also have so much interdependent code to take on board that you can't really adapt their "open source" code easily without basically accepting all of their stuff and becoming a near clone.
 
athenian200 said:
There is one thing I would like to note because I'm a user of Oracle Solaris and OpenIndiana. nVidia's Unix drivers are not as bad as you're being led to believe by the out of the box experience in many Linux distributions. They use something called "nouveau" out of the box because of their ideology and make it as difficult as possible to use nVidia's official Linux drivers which actually work fairly well. One of the excuses for this in recent years is something called "Wayland" which conveniently also allows the Linux community to break compatibility with other Unix variants while still claiming to be open source. AMD's drivers are technically open source, yes, but they're also so Linux specific that they can't easily be used to enable Radeon GPUs to run on anything but Linux. And drivers in general would have to be kernel-level and less portable to run that way.

I can honestly say that on Solaris, and on Linux distributions that use the official nVidia drivers and X11, nVidia cards work very well. In fact on Solaris, nVidia is the only thing that works well... the support for Intel integrated graphics is always a few generations behind, and AMD stuff isn't supported at all. But nVidia's Unix drivers will support a 3080.on that platform.

Sometimes I feel like open source has gone from being a way of improving interoperability, to just an excuse large projects hide behind so they can increase code churn and rapid fire standards changes to the point where smaller projects can't easily keep up, and also have so much interdependent code to take on board that you can't really adapt their "open source" code easily without basically accepting all of their stuff and becoming a near clone.
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Good on you that you still run Solaris. Back in the day, I worked for Sun.
 
Got the card installed on the new rig. I'm very happy with it.

Not a huge jump in performance, but I saw in some games like a 20 - 30% uplift in fps, so that is nice.

The 5950x is a beast, tho. Great desktop performance. Wifi 6 giving decent speeds. And no problems w/ the components.

Definitely could have held out longer, but I had a lot of fun building the machine and I will sell the old parts. So it was worth it for me.

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cybereality said:
Yeah, I think it is going to be a beast. Especially since I do development, I read that the compile times are like 5x better (than the 8700K I'm on).

I tried to save a little money by getting the second best in class parts, but I guess the PC Gods had other plans for my machine.
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Oh mamma will you love it. The 5950 absolutely eats large compile jobs - assuming you have gobs of memory for the parallel builds to really go.
 
I enabled resizable bar in BIOS, also messed with the AMD driver a bit, now I am getting performance that is clearly better than my old machine.

Especially considering the slight loss in running Proton on Linux, I am now very close to Windows performance, and better in some cases (Doom Eternal seems to run much better).
 
does this count if i repurpose a nvidia shield pro with a samsung 860 500gb ssd and dump 256gb of "games" onto it and use a portable monitor via hdmi?
 
jmilcher said:
Now that’s a statement. A decent case that not RGB’d can be so hard to find.
Someone made a thread about the old Lian Li all brushed aluminum cases. Man I miss those.
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Yeah, I used the Lian Li silver brushed aluminum on my first PC build for myself (back in 1999) and kept that for a while. That was a solid case.
 
cybereality said:
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Don't mind the cables, this case has no windows so I went for easier maintenance since you can't see them anyhow.

Also, not a fan of RGB but those RAM sticks were the best I could find that were compatible at a good price.
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What model memory did you get, exactly? Your sig says "TridentZ NEO," but not the speed or timings.
 
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No, that's not the whole story. Those are Intel sticks, Ryzen is more finicky with the RAM compatibility.
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If we want to be pedantic, G.SKILL doesn't recommend any 16GB modules for your motherboard. However, both the Ripjaws V and NEO models show the 8GB are supported at 4000 MT/s

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Memory is memory, as far as I'm concerned. I'd like to know specifically what makes the NEO modules different from the Ripjaws V modules. Both use Intel XMP 2.0, have the same timings, use the same memory chips, same voltage. The only difference is the former using god awful looking RGB.
 
Okay, maybe those Ripjaws would work. When I was looking I don't believe I saw those, or maybe they weren't in stock on Amazon at the time.

Not sure, but I did spend about an hour with the memory QVL list and ended up choosing the Neo sticks (which weren't technically on the list, but I took an educated guess and they work).
 
And memory is not memory. Not sure how much experience you have with Ryzen, but lots of Intel memory didn't work at rated speeds for a long time (though this is much better now).

That's why I make sure they are tuned for Ryzen, it does make a difference, otherwise you will be stuck to 2666 or whatever. I'm running XMP 4000 now and no problems.
 
Its the sub timings. They are specifically set up for ryzen with the neo modules. I cant remember which are set to what but it definitely makes a difference from what ive seen and used.
 
Is it scalping if that's what EVERY retailer charges? :(

I saw them at Microcenter and thought they were some new special high end card. Nope just a regular gaming card being sold for 2-3x the MSRP.......in stores.
 
Installed Windows 10 so I could try out ray tracing and HDR and a few other things.

Overall, really love this video card. It is not far and away better than the 2080 Ti I replaced, but it definitely is smoother in rasterization. Probably getting at least 20% boost, maybe more like 30% in some games.

Sadly, ray tracing is not as good as Nvidia, but I knew that going in. At least with Cyberpunk 2077 ray tracing is unplayable. Dirt 5 runs nice though, and Doom Eternal works alright with ray tracing.
 
Metro EE is sick. Had to turn settings to medium but it still looks amazing. Getting over 100 fps.
 
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Finishing my second play on Cyberpunk and doing Dirt 5 as well. Took some time to dial in the graphics on Cyberpunk (and ray tracing is a no go) but I'm happy with where I landed. Ray tracing in Dirt 5 works much better.
 
Forgive me father for I too have sinned. I bought a 3080 Ti on Ebay. Like OP, it was an easier decision for me because I already had a 2080 Ti and 2080 Ti's are selling at ridiculously inflated prices.

Other reasons:
- I have a mini ITX case and very few 3080 Ti's will fit. The EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 series is what I was after. And apparently EVGA doesn't really produce those anymore because they make more profit on the FTW3 series. So might as well grab one while I still can.
- The time and effort spent on chasing down GPUs at MSRP was taking a mental toll on me. My time is valuable to me, and sitting in queues and refreshing web pages for hours on end only to be met by a sea of timeouts and errors just isn't healthy.
- I made the mistake of plugging my computer into my OLED TV to see what it was like. Needless to say, I was blown away and immediately ordered a C1 48".

I hate feeding the scalpers, but the situation is dire right now. With Nvidia saying the shortage may continue well throughout 2022, it's gonna be a LONG time before the common man is able to buy a GPU at MSRP.
 
I just read an article about the cost of shipping containers now compared to last year due to a major port in China being closed because of COVID-19 getting a worker sick. It seems things arent going to improve anytime soon for alot of products. Rather the opposite. So do what you have to do i say.
 
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