GPU prices — is the worst behind us ?

Well now Microcenter is selling "gaming computers" with the GPU but with NO CPU OR RAM OR HD.

You don't garner a lot of good will selling overpriced video cards, but you probably do selling systems that continue to allow people to choose most of the parts they want customized, and probably at the same margins.

I know there are plenty of people who don't like this because they already, bit by bit, picked up everything but the GPU. However, there's still plenty of people who think (arguably correctly) that buying like that is a waste of resources, and that you are better off getting all your core components as closely together as possible.
 
Never really liked the bundle thing, because I do a lot of research and want to buy a specific motherboard, not whatever just happens to on sale that day.
 
Exactly, it's a way to bundle goods without seeing like they're bundling goods since they're selling prebuilt "systems"
I’m not opposed to buying a bundle, but that bundle better have a Seasonic titanium power supply, a good motherboard (Asus Dark Hero would be a good place to start), and a Samsung pro nvme drive. No sneaking in trash components at any step. like, what is the “liquid cooling” in this microcenter combo - some kind of cheap AiO?

All said, that now that I look at it, that microcenter combo isn’t terrible beyond being overpriced.
 
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I’m not opposed to buying a bundle, but that bundle better have a Seasonic titanium power supply, a good motherboard (Asus Dark Hero would be a good place to start), and a Samsung pro nvme drive. No sneaking in trash components at any step. like, what is the “liquid cooling” in this microcenter combo - some kind of cheap AiO?

All said, that now that I look at it, that microcenter combo isn’t terrible beyond being overpriced.
I don't feel that bundle is really over priced. It is custom hard tubing wc. Which alone is over $400.
 
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It's not even MC that's doing the bundling if you would actually look at the listing. It's Bitspower making a hardline custom case with everything built in. Of course, they are going to include the motherboard they want to use because otherwise it would be difficult to complete the hardlines in advance.

This is nothing like NE's bull shit bundles.
 
It's not even MC that's doing the bundling if you would actually look at the listing. It's Bitspower making a hardline custom case with everything built in. Of course, they are going to include the motherboard they want to use because otherwise it would be difficult to complete the hardlines in advance.

This is nothing like NE's bull shit bundles.
Honestly adding it up it a pretty decent deal. The components in are pretty good. No fire hazard PSU like NE is forcing down people's throat. It could use a other radiator if you want a decent cpu in there also is my only complaint.
 
This is interesting. Remember that British company that was selling "gaming computers" without GPUs? Well now Microcenter is selling "gaming computers" with the GPU but with NO CPU OR RAM OR HD.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/636672/bitspower-titan-x-12-amd-black
That pre-bundled Bitspower kit has been around since beginning of year in AMD and Intel variants. It's not MC's bundle, it's a self-contained thirdparty SKU that's got nothing to do with Microcenter making any policy decisions about selling computers without CPUs .

And it was actually a great deal while 3080 FTWs alone were $2000+. The hardline tubes are pre-formed, the components are very good, and you couldn't get the parts separately for anywhere close to the kit price.
 
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Yes yes tha k you!! Much agreement. Only incremental upgrades benefit from gradual buys. Complete redux must be done all together or nt at all!
It’s a lot less important if you’re an every generation GPU buyer. Generally CPU + MB + Ram + Storage + Power Supply can make it though 2 or 3 vid card generations before you really need to upgrade. And, honestly, you can make it 10 years on a Seasonic Titanium and still have warranty left.
 
And, honestly, you can make it 10 years on a Seasonic Titanium and still have warranty left.
I have Seasonic gold 650 going on 5 years and I'm expecting at least another 5 out of it and the fan never kicks in even when using a GTX 970 ... IMO Seasonic offers BEST PC supplies out there
 
It’s a lot less important if you’re an every generation GPU buyer. Generally CPU + MB + Ram + Storage + Power Supply can make it though 2 or 3 vid card generations before you really need to upgrade.

The problem with this generation is that a lot of people aren't getting their GPUs until maybe the next generation of other core components comes out.

We will look back on this and laugh about our woes. Younger generations of gamers will be confused and wonder why we didn't just switch over to streamed games.
 
Can u imagine just chilling on your current setup till cpus pumped out like double their current performance? The GPUs would be beasts by then.
 
This is interesting. Remember that British company that was selling "gaming computers" without GPUs? Well now Microcenter is selling "gaming computers" with the GPU but with NO CPU OR RAM OR HD.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/636672/bitspower-titan-x-12-amd-black

This actually looks like a somewhat decent deal to me. As others noted, custom hard tubing and everything pretty much in place, just need to put your own CPU in. I'm assuming that part of the price is the custom water block on the GPU. On the other hand the MSRP of the 3080 is $699 apparently so you're paying roughly $1200 for the mobo, case, custom water loop, CPU block, GPU block (or does this have one? I don't know if only the CPU is water cooled, if so that kind of sucks), and PSU.

So let's break that down.

- Motherboard is 330$ right now on Amazon. $870 left.
- Someone quoted the price of the water loop at about $400. $470 left to account for.
- Case... is hard to put a price on. Let's say it's a higher end case in the $150 range, just looking at it visually. $320 left
- PSU is about $120 on Microcenter. I don't know if it's worth that much but $200 left

$200 for labor on a custom loop and assembly is somewhat reasonable. This is actually kind of smart, because a system like this is an easier way to avoid miners. They wouldn't want all of this nonsense and the system would be harder to sell off like this, but gamers get overcharged at most about $100-200 on the price of the system. Supposing that water cooling quote was actually accurate; I'm a little dubious about it.
 
What is a fair price for a 3080 & 3080ti right now?
For the 3080 : $699 + whatever you feel is fair for a fancier cooler.
For the 3080ti : Hell if I know, that one is well beyond my price range to spend on any component for a system.
 
For the 3080 : $699 + whatever you feel is fair for a fancier cooler.
For the 3080ti : Hell if I know, that one is well beyond my price range to spend on any component for a system.
R u joking with me? We all know 699 is not a reality right now for a 3080.

Let me rephrase my question. What are you guys paying for a 3080 or 3080ti these days with the prices all messed up?
 
We're not.

Ideally you shouldn't be... you can easily play things with reasonable framerates on a 1080 or above.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d probably still pay like 749 - 799 for the right overclocked 3080 model, but I’d even only do that for another couple of months. I’ll stick with my 1080ti and 6700XT before I’d buy a “new” card with less than a year to go to the next model.
 
R u joking with me? We all know 699 is not a reality right now for a 3080.

Let me rephrase my question. What are you guys paying for a 3080 or 3080ti these days with the prices all messed up?
I'm not joking, your question is what is a fair price. Simply following the trend of insanity doesn't make prices any more "fair"

And as others have said, not paying because again trend of insanity I'm not going to add to it. Although I will say the 3080ti by itself is insane at even Nvidia MSRP.
 
I'm not joking, your question is what is a fair price. Simply following the trend of insanity doesn't make prices any more "fair"

And as others have said, not paying because again trend of insanity I'm not going to add to it. Although I will say the 3080ti by itself is insane at even Nvidia MSRP.
I paid 1200 for my 2080Ti EK-X 2 years ago. I don't expect prices to get near msrp pretty much ever. Also I'm not going to sit around and wait. Lifes short & I wanna enjoy it. Buying my 2080Ti 2 years ago above msrp was the best decision I made cause I have enjoyed it for 2 years. I would do it again. If prices go down great. If they don't I'm not going to be determined to wait for a couple hundred bucks it is what it is and if I "waited" 2 years ago I would not have had a fantastic card that I have fully enjoyed for 2 years even overpriced.
 
I paid 1200 for my 2080Ti EK-X 2 years ago. I don't expect prices to get near msrp pretty much ever. Also I'm not going to sit around and wait. Lifes short & I wanna enjoy it. Buying my 2080Ti 2 years ago above msrp was the best decision I made cause I have enjoyed it for 2 years. I would do it again. If prices go down great. If they don't I'm not going to be determined to wait for a couple hundred bucks it is what it is and if I "waited" 2 years ago I would not have had a fantastic card that I have fully enjoyed for 2 years even overpriced.

The other way to look at it is, "Did it provide an extra $700 worth of enjoyment over a $500 1080Ti at the time?" When I saw the price of the 2080Ti, I said, "Fuck that Nvidia" and just stayed with my 1080Ti. At 1440p, I didn't really mind the difference in the games I play, and had an extra $700 to spend elsewhere.
 
I'll admit I paid $1500 for a 6800XT from eBay. I wanted it, and didn't feel like waiting an undetermined amount of time for the prices to become normal.

I mean, for all I know I could get COVID and die next month. You can't take your money to the grave (well, unless you are Drake).
 
The other way to look at it is, "Did it provide an extra $700 worth of enjoyment over a $500 1080Ti at the time?" When I saw the price of the 2080Ti, I said, "Fuck that Nvidia" and just stayed with my 1080Ti. At 1440p, I didn't really mind the difference in the games I play, and had an extra $700 to spend elsewhere.
Yes it did because it meant the difference in having a more enjoyable experience with smoother higher refresh closer to 144 with higher detail settings. Absolutely worth it for 2 years of top shelf fun. Also it wasn't 700 more because the EKX is the highest version of 2080Ti waterblocked and highest clocks so it was at a premium even at its true msrp. So much less than 700 wasted the item actually is worth more than your average 2080ti.
 
I'll admit I paid $1500 for a 6800XT from eBay. I wanted it, and didn't feel like waiting an undetermined amount of time for the prices to become normal.

I mean, for all I know I could get COVID and die next month. You can't take your money to the grave (well, unless you are Drake).

This I agree. Life and everything about it is undetermined. Live in the moment & enjoy it. You never know what will happen tomorrow. A couple hundred bucks isn't going to stop my life in It's tracks.
 
Yes yes hurry! The train is getting away!! Quickly get instant enjoyment today because tomorrow death lurks nd may axe you nd you shall go the way of the earth, never to enjoy fast pleasure gaming experience!!

Sorry, luv u, but if this way of thinking is good, thn your few sandwiches short of picnic. Plz don't be mad, taco speak her mind.
If you’re so ultra, can we eat you?
 
Yes yes hurry! The train is getting away!! Quickly get instant enjoyment today because tomorrow death lurks nd may axe you nd you shall go the way of the earth, never to enjoy fast pleasure gaming experience!!

Sorry, luv u, but if this way of thinking is good, thn your few sandwiches short of picnic. Plz don't be mad, taco speak her mind.

I lost my mother & uncle to covid. I will enjoy my life every day. You are not funny, not even a little bit.
 
I paid 1200 for my 2080Ti EK-X 2 years ago. I don't expect prices to get near msrp pretty much ever. Also I'm not going to sit around and wait. Lifes short & I wanna enjoy it. Buying my 2080Ti 2 years ago above msrp was the best decision I made cause I have enjoyed it for 2 years. I would do it again. If prices go down great. If they don't I'm not going to be determined to wait for a couple hundred bucks it is what it is and if I "waited" 2 years ago I would not have had a fantastic card that I have fully enjoyed for 2 years even overpriced.
They why ask what a "fair price" is? That answer is going to be incredibly subjective. If you want to guarantee one right now, look to eBay there's the "fair" price, otherwise you take your chance and compete with everyone else buying from local stores, and again you can see the price there. That's the point about waiting. You want to forever be a part of the secondary (scalper) market because you must have it now because life is too short, that's your business
 
I’m not opposed to buying a bundle, but that bundle better have a Seasonic titanium power supply, a good motherboard (Asus Dark Hero would be a good place to start), and a Samsung pro nvme drive. No sneaking in trash components at any step. like, what is the “liquid cooling” in this microcenter combo - some kind of cheap AiO?

All said, that now that I look at it, that microcenter combo isn’t terrible beyond being overpriced.
Yeah, they were trying to sell me on one of these awhile back. The price was about $1700+tax for a 3080 bundle, but the PSU was worth maybe $100, the motherboard about $200-250, and the case I would probably just have to throw away. No CPU, RAM, SSD, or anything else was included. I generally cheap out on motherboards and the PSU wouldn't do me a lot of good either so it was unfortunate. I would think they'd at least try to bundle high end components with a high end GPU to get rid of slower moving, expensive items together but what do I know.
 
xDiVolatilX , taco wasnt trying to be funny mate.

Randall Stephens , for my future husband reserved. Sorry.
....OHHH! It's THAT type of taco.

On topic, scalpers are definitely staying away from 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti video cards, and many MSI cards of a broad SKU variety. The margin is too slim there to justify dropping $1K+ for a sub $100 profit. I'd say the worst is behind us, but watching BTC and ETH tick back up is making me nervous.
 
I saw prices for all major targets P, X and RTX creep up this week fwiw...may be Covid resurgence is playing a part? Hard to believe we are over 10 months into this 'season'...
 
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