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Same, I have a Gigabyte GTX670 I’ve been letting collect dust forever but it’s not worth the hassle of trying to sell it. Not only this scenario but also with crap getting lost or damaged by USPS.
Good point. The potential for problems outweighs any money I'd recoup by selling, and it is a real shame it has come to this. Craigslist isn't even worth trying - nothing but lowballers.
 
He modified the card to be used in an application outside of its intended use as a GPU, so it is on him.
Mining technically isn't an application outside of typical GPU use these days (Raytracing, deep learning, vision processing, etc.). CUDA/OpenCL has a bunch of applications, and those applications essentially require a massively parallel processor to run on. That's what GPUs are.

That being said, the fact that the card arrived, was tested good, then had issues, was 'modified' and in the manner thereof makes me think that THAT was outside the scope of typical use. The card was likely overclocked to hell, flashed a non-default BIOS, and became unstable or damaged in the process. In this case, you break it you buy it. If it was the case that the card wasn't stable in the first place and could be verified with crashes or video artifacts when doing video related work, then I'd be inclined to work with the buyer.

Unfortunately the OP will mostly get screwed over in this case with a dishonest buyer because the buyer paid far more for the card than it's worth and now can't do what they want to do with it so they'll file a claim to claw their money back and leave the buyer in a lurch because the buyer will have little recourse otherwise.
 
Mining technically isn't an application outside of typical GPU use these days (Raytracing, deep learning, vision processing, etc.). CUDA/OpenCL has a bunch of applications, and those applications essentially require a massively parallel processor to run on. That's what GPUs are.
mining is an exploit to what they are designed to do. people figured out they could and make "apps" for it. it is not a normal use for a gaming card.
 
mining is an exploit to what they are designed to do. people figured out they could and make "apps" for it. it is not a normal use for a gaming card.

How do you figure? You are using a graphics processing unit to do calculations. That is what it's designed to do. If the software calls for the hardware to output game graphics it processes that information. If it calls for 1's and 0's it outputs that information. That's it. It's all calculations.

This thread isn't about mining so much as it is about the fact that the buyer took apart the card. THAT is the issue and what might save the seller during a dispute.
 
How do you figure? You are using a graphics processing unit to do calculations. That is what it's designed to do. If the software calls for the hardware to output game graphics it processes that information. If it calls for 1's and 0's it outputs that information. That's it. It's all calculations.

This thread isn't about mining so much as it is about the fact that the buyer took apart the card. THAT is the issue and what might save the seller during a dispute.
because people figure out they could mine on it, its not that they were design to, then they wrote apps to exploit it because they were better than cpus at it.
thanks tips, i get what the thread is about...
 
because people figure out they could mine on it, its not that they were design to, then they wrote apps to exploit it because they were better than cpus at it.
thanks tips, i get what the thread is about...

I'm just baffled why you think you should be telling me what my GPU was designed to do in my use case. If you want to play games with yours, great.
 
mining is an exploit to what they are designed to do. people figured out they could and make "apps" for it. it is not a normal use for a gaming card.
Graphics developers provide Compute enabled drivers OpenCL, OpenML, CUDA etc for GPGPU. Mining just leverages this. Its within the functionality of the card if the manufacturer provides supporting APIs
 
I'm just baffled why you think you should be telling me what my GPU was designed to do in my use case. If you want to play games with yours, great.
im not telling you what to do with your card, just that its is not designed for mining, its an exploit. that clear enough for ya? or is the troll part of the thread?
 
Mining technically isn't an application outside of typical GPU use these days (Raytracing, deep learning, vision processing, etc.). CUDA/OpenCL has a bunch of applications, and those applications essentially require a massively parallel processor to run on. That's what GPUs are.

I thought about the CUDA drivers provided by nVidia after I posted that, so I am inclined to agree with you on this point. Paypal is pretty good for a buyer to get their money back when an item is "significantly not as described", but it will be interesting to see what way it goes when the buyer modifies, and subsequently breaks the card.
 
Not your monkey, not your circus. I had a guy pull this on ebay when I would cover card warranties for them. I told them if they mine with it, I am not covering it.
 
Not your monkey, not your circus. I had a guy pull this on ebay when I would cover card warranties for them. I told them if they mine with it, I am not covering it.
Yeah, but what would happen if they did mine on it and wasn't honest with you about it? How can you tell for certain if they did or didn't?
 
Buyer here, thought I'd add my perspective. I bought the card and CPU and everything arrived quickly and well-packaged, no issues there. I repasted the card like I do basically all used GPUs because 99% of the time they need it and it gives me a baseline start date for when they need maintenance next. Generally pads don't need to be replaced and replacing them is expensive so I don't do it unless necessary. I then put it into a Linux machine and tried to get it mining. Any attempt at overclocking, underclocking, etc. other than changing the fan speed crashed the card, although the core temps were fine (65 C under load currently in a 26C room). So I took it apart again several times and repadded it multiple times to see if I could fix the issue. Since nothing I tried fixed that, I plugged it into my windows machine to test it in that environment, since it came from a gaming computer and not a mining machine. I don't get a video output signal from the card in windows, so that's about the extent of my experience there. At this point I was fed up and was about to refund the purchase, but I put it back in a mining machine one last time, and finally it worked with other GPUs without crashing the whole application and I've had it running there for 2 days without issue. It still won't overclock so that's disappointing, but it runs in the environment I need to finally at least so I guess I might as well keep it.
 
Buyer here, thought I'd add my perspective. I bought the card and CPU and everything arrived quickly and well-packaged, no issues there. I repasted the card like I do basically all used GPUs because 99% of the time they need it and it gives me a baseline start date for when they need maintenance next. Generally pads don't need to be replaced and replacing them is expensive so I don't do it unless necessary. I then put it into a Linux machine and tried to get it mining. Any attempt at overclocking, underclocking, etc. other than changing the fan speed crashed the card, although the core temps were fine (65 C under load currently in a 26C room). So I took it apart again several times and repadded it multiple times to see if I could fix the issue. Since nothing I tried fixed that, I plugged it into my windows machine to test it in that environment, since it came from a gaming computer and not a mining machine. I don't get a video output signal from the card in windows, so that's about the extent of my experience there. At this point I was fed up and was about to refund the purchase, but I put it back in a mining machine one last time, and finally it worked with other GPUs without crashing the whole application and I've had it running there for 2 days without issue. It still won't overclock so that's disappointing, but it runs in the environment I need to finally at least so I guess I might as well keep it.
Did you test the card when you first received it before taking it apart?
 
I hope this is a lesson to always test used (and new, for that matter) items directly out of box before doing any sort of maintenance or modification. It's tempting to jump right to working on it but a thorough several day shakedown period with everything as-purchased really does wonders at isolating any potential problems that might crop up when maintaining or tuning an item.
 
Troubleshooting a failing card thats not overheating by trying to improve cooling over and over again. Rather than immediately going into windows to verify temps/voltages, replicate poor clocks and retest drivers. Thats an unusual process of elimination.
 
Troubleshooting a failing card thats not overheating by trying to improve cooling over and over again. Rather than immediately going into windows to verify temps/voltages, replicate poor clocks and retest drivers. Thats an unusual process of elimination.
Like I said, no video output in windows, so the only data I get is from linux.
 
No, that's generally double work.

Unfortunately, at the very least you should have tested it for video output prior to taking it apart.

It's kind of like buying a motherboard. I test it outside the case BEFORE I spend all the time installing into a case, cable managing, and hooking up all the wires in case there's a problem.

You should add a basic video test to your used card purchases so you don't get burned in the future.
 
I remember purchasing a video card from a good friend who lived a few blocks away and was also a member of another site. It was working perfectly fine in his machine. I was present when he removed it, placed it in an anti static bag and in the original box. I paid him and took the card home. Removed from box, bag and install it in my rig. Upon booting there was no signal to monitor. I'm like wtf? Take it out, install in another rig, no signal either.

Call him up and explain the situation. He comes over and verifies no signal. We both scratch our heads, but he refunds me. He goes back to his place, installs the card in a back up rig, and waddaya know, it works as it should :rolleyes:

He tells me: "I guess the card doesn't like you" :ROFLMAO:

Moral of the story: Always, always test BEFORE you do anything else. Will save you time and grief.

Good luck for the next time.
 
It worked before he broke it.
I don't think he broke it. He installed it in a computer with multiple GPU's. Sometimes this can be a bit tricky. Seems he has it working now. Might have been just a funky multi-card bug.
 
he took it apart to re-paste it, so its on him. If they fight you with paypal you show them that they took it apart and then it stopped working.
 
Once upon a time, Tom was a doctor that liked hardware and wrote about it. He was pretty cool. Then after getting a taste of corporate money, Tom became a total corporate whore. His bias was so obvious and his articles would either gloss over problems in certain hardware or be too critical of non-advertiser hardware.

Oh yeah, Tom became a total dick in real-life as well. Ego inflation and what not. In short, he lost his street cred.

"Hey, everything arrived safely! Had some issues getting the gtx 1080 mining but it looks like a re-paste + pads fixed that."


I honestly think it is on him, for a few reasons reasons and no refund is due.
1) "Everything arrived safely" seems to say it is not shipping related.
2) You start taking a card apart and you own it.....he should have sent everything back as is if he wasn't happy.
3) "it looks like a re-paste + pads fixed that." Seems to me it was fine at that point

You buy something, you install it to make sure it is not DOA, and stress test it. If there is a issue, talk to the seller prior to working on the item.

You start remove cooling, pad, repasting, and you can have issues. I have seen circuits pulled off, fans screwed to tight, silver paste gobbed on causing issuing.

An $800 deal, 6 days without issue, and now this. He could have had a heat issue cause the problem, a power spike, etc....

Unless you gave him permission to start taking things apart to solve the issues, he should NOT have acted like he owned it, and started to modify it.

Like Gilbot said, I too am now sitting on a spare RTX 2060 6GB because of a issue I had trying to sell it. Not worth the hassle.

Just my .02 that he owns that card now.
 
You don't game with your card 24/7. In other words its not being stressed like a normal graphics card is with mining. Don't care what you use your card for as you bought it but lets not pretend one of those is like the other. Case in point, the buyer felt the new to remove the heatsink and re-paste when the OP never had an issue.
 
Not sure why a lot of users are attacking the buyer within this thread. Both the buyer and seller appear to be stand-up forum members. The seller gave the buyer a good price ($400 for a 1080 Ti is a great price these days), packed well, and shipped in a timely manner ... the buyer had no complaints. The buyer appears to have voluntarily come forward and offered his side of the story. The buyer seems well-versed in what he talks about. The buyer has even stated that he "might as well keep it". Why keep beating this dead horse? There is a lot of great information in this thread but it appears (at least to me) that it has run its course.

Just my 5 cents (inflation) ...
 
I don't think he broke it. He installed it in a computer with multiple GPU's. Sometimes this can be a bit tricky. Seems he has it working now. Might have been just a funky multi-card bug.
That's good
 
Awman, no? And here I thought this was : "As the [H] World Turns, these are the days of our lives" :p
How about "As the Stomach Turns"? Things have been quiet around here lately and a bit of drama drives some of us wild.

Relax ...
 
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