US’s largest pipeline crippled by cyber attack

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Would not have noticed if it hadn't been brought up here and at work. Wasn't aware it had been that long since the situation started, though.

Thankfully I avg 45mpg and filled up this sunday. Unfortunately I have a 12 gal tank, so I have to fill up every 10-12 days...
 
delita said:
it's true, toilet paper all over again. i'm in VA and it was reported that only 7% of gas stations are without gas....but you wouldn't think that from the lines and panic buying everywhere. idiots.
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We had a panic buy down here in TX several years back. Some rumour spread like wildfire on social media that there was going to be a gas shortage because of a hurricane that never came so idiots went out and started panic buying.

I got caught off guard while working at a location about an hour and a half drive from home. When I left the job late in the afternoon, I noticed that people had started lining up around gas stations everywhere. Literally every single gas station I drove by between San Antonio and Austin had a line wrapping around the block and people fighting at the pumps. I was VERY lucky I filled up my truck in the morning before that mess started. I had to call up my client and tell them I couldn't make it back to the jobsite because there was no fuel available. They thought I was BSing and got mad because they were at the time out of state. I warned them to fuel up before getting here because there was no fuel available, and thankfully they did. They eventually believed me when they came back two days later and the fuel insanity was still going on.

It took the governor and the railroad commission (which unlike the name implies, regulates the oil and gas industry) to tell people to stop panic buying and the fuel trucks almost two weeks to catch up with demand and return everything to normal. I couldn't get fuel for around 9 days myself.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
We had a panic buy down here in TX several years back. Some rumour spread like wildfire on social media that there was going to be a gas shortage because of a hurricane that never came so idiots went out and started panic buying.

I got caught off guard while working at a location about an hour and a half drive from home. When I left the job late in the afternoon, I noticed that people had started lining up around gas stations everywhere. Literally every single gas station I drove by between San Antonio and Austin had a line wrapping around the block and people fighting at the pumps. I was VERY lucky I filled up my truck in the morning before that mess started. I had to call up my client and tell them I couldn't make it back to the jobsite because there was no fuel available. They thought I was BSing and got mad because they were at the time out of state. I warned them to fuel up before getting here because there was no fuel available, and thankfully they did. They eventually believed me when they came back two days later and the fuel insanity was still going on.

It took the governor and the railroad commission (which unlike the name implies, regulates the oil and gas industry) to tell people to stop panic buying and the fuel trucks almost two weeks to catch up with demand and return everything to normal. I couldn't get fuel for around 9 days myself.
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This is why electric cars are better. No fuel.








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GiGaBiTe said:
Electric car owners were up ship creek back in February during the big freeze that cut power off for huge parts of the state.

Lucky for us that our house was built back in the 80s and we have natural gas.
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You missed the /s at the end of my post?
 
Randall Stephens said:
You missed the /s at the end of my post?
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Why /s?

Natural gas is cheaper and rarely goes down... If ever. I grew up on oil and wood, both of which have increased by hundreds of percentage points since I was a kid and yet natural gas is a fraction of the cost.
 
"Polishes hockey mask...lifts weights, works on Swedish accent"...
 
They must have attacked themselves, need a good reason to get gas back to $4 a gallon or maybe above that this time. And when it is fixed no price decrease, need to make up for that lost revenue from last year.
 
Randall Stephens said:
You missed the /s at the end of my post?
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Didn't miss the sarcasm lol. Just sayin electric cars down here can get you stranded as well. Texas has just recently started adopting electric vehicle usage since Tesla is moving in. In years past charging stations were virtually non-existent outside the rich parts of metropolitan areas.

auntjemima said:
Natural gas is cheaper and rarely goes down... If ever. I grew up on oil and wood, both of which have increased by hundreds of percentage points since I was a kid and yet natural gas is a fraction of the cost.
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The big freeze actually caused supply issues of natural gas because the lines started freezing up. There's quite a bit of water vapor in natural gas and it started clogging the lines in distribution plants.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
Didn't miss the sarcasm lol. Just sayin electric cars down here can get you stranded as well. Texas has just recently started adopting electric vehicle usage since Tesla is moving in. In years past charging stations were virtually non-existent outside the rich parts of metropolitan areas.



The big freeze actually caused supply issues of natural gas because the lines started freezing up. There's quite a bit of water vapor in natural gas and it started clogging the lines in distribution plants.
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Crazy. I live in Canada. I spend a good 4 months of the year at -40C temperatures and I've never had an issue with my natural gas.
 
Glad I filled up the other day. However, I rarely need to leave the house with everything going on. Keep my car just in case.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
Electric car owners were up ship creek back in February during the big freeze that cut power off for huge parts of the state.
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For Texas but the rest of us didn't have this problem. It costs $15 to recharge a Tesla Model X from dead to full, while most gas powered cars cost $50 or more. I'd buy an electric car if they weren't so damn expensive. Like most Americans I buy used cars and the cheapest used Tesla is $30k. The cheapest Chevy Bolt is $16k. To recharge a dead Chevy Bolt is only $3 on your electric bill. Gas prices were bad as it is, but then the keystone pipeline and now this cyber attack? Where's my electric car Bruce?

 
auntjemima said:
Crazy. I live in Canada. I spend a good 4 months of the year at -40C temperatures and I've never had an issue with my natural gas.
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That's because Canada knows what freezing weather is, the Texas government and energy sector doesn't. Both the government and the energy sector were warned numerous times over the decades since the last major long freeze in the 80s that winterizing vital infrastructure equipment needed to be done, but it was ignored "because too cost prohibitive" and "we'll never have another freak storm again, don't need to spend the money" and the resulting clusterfuck happened. So most of the state lost power, and those that didn't were subject to insane energy bills in the thousands of dollars for a week of freezing weather because the cost of electricity soared to the cap of $9000 MW/h and stayed there for days as power plants were falling offline.

The powerplants going offline caused secondary failures, like the water supply to fail because the treatment plants had no power and no backup generation capacity to keep the pumps running. My neighbor is the supervisor for a water plant and he had to stay on site all week burning whatever they could find under the pumps and pipes to keep them from freezing. They had one generator on site, but it was only really designed to keep the lights on, not the equipment.

In the end, nothing was learned from it. Everyone in the bureaucracy played the finger pointing game and we're just as vulnerable as ever to another freeze.
 
auntjemima said:
Crazy. I live in Canada. I spend a good 4 months of the year at -40C temperatures and I've never had an issue with my natural gas.
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Is it really that surprising that Canada takes precautions for freezing weather that Texas doesn't?

EDIT: Oh yeah, and those god damn miners stole *our* GPUs to do this?!
 
DukenukemX said:
For Texas but the rest of us didn't have this problem. It costs $15 to recharge a Tesla Model X from dead to full, while most gas powered cars cost $50 or more. I'd buy an electric car if they weren't so damn expensive. Like most Americans I buy used cars and the cheapest used Tesla is $30k. The cheapest Chevy Bolt is $16k. To recharge a dead Chevy Bolt is only $3 on your electric bill. Gas prices were bad as it is, but then the keystone pipeline and now this cyber attack? Where's my electric car Bruce?

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If they can hack the fuel pipelines, one would think they'd be able to hack the power grid too, no electricity to power the electric cars, pump gas or water.
 
Time to fire up the contingency plan backup analog controls and get things moving again...right? Right?
 
DukenukemX said:
For Texas but the rest of us didn't have this problem. It costs $15 to recharge a Tesla Model X from dead to full, while most gas powered cars cost $50 or more. I'd buy an electric car if they weren't so damn expensive. Like most Americans I buy used cars and the cheapest used Tesla is $30k. The cheapest Chevy Bolt is $16k. To recharge a dead Chevy Bolt is only $3 on your electric bill. Gas prices were bad as it is, but then the keystone pipeline and now this cyber attack? Where's my electric car Bruce?

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It does not take $50 to refuel a sedan. I pissed $28 for a full tank and probably get almost twice what the Tesla gets. Also it take 3 mins to fill up to full bs hours for the Tesla.
 
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