AMD Radeon 6700 XT Launch Live Stream - 10am 3/3/21

DukenukemX said:
Excuse me Cynthia but what am I looking at here? What are you on about?

A. It don't have to be a $100 water block. If the cooler fails then there's plenty of reference coolers to replace it with, because they're all standard.
B. Since when does removing the cooler void warranty?
C. What does a 2070S have anything to do with anything?

Your Sapphire RX 5700 XT has worse VRM quality than reference design. You can see Buildzoid's video where he explains that the VRM quality on your card is worse than AIB. That's a common theme you see with AIB's as they cut costs a lot. Sapphire even cut corners by not putting in capacitors to filter. AIB's almost always cut back on VRM quality compared to reference and you're paying more compared to reference. I think Asus Strix cards are the only cards that actually improve the reference design. Remember when AIB's went cheap on capacitors compared to Nvidia reference and people thought that was causing crashing issues? Reference is almost always better quality than AIB.




At what point did you see me disagreeing with you on that? That's going to be the theme of 2021 in that nobody will be able to find any piece of entertainment electronics at MSRP. The 6700XT won't be sold out because it's a good buy, but because of miners, lack of supply, rampant unemployment, and of course scalpers. You could make any GPU right now and still have it sold out instantly. That's why Nvidia is making GTX 1050 Ti's because any GPU will sell.
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What argument are you trying to convey throughout this thread? That the 6700xt is not a good buy? Based on what metric? It outperforms the previous 5700xt handily. It seems to outperform the competition (3060ti and 3070). If it has decent availability how is it not a good buy? Because it's not under $300? lol.

If someone is building a PC and the 6700xt is available near MSRP and that fits in their budget then it is a good buy relative to other (un)available options. This idea it's not a good buy based on how many 1060s are on steam's hardware survey is the most bizarre argument I have read in a while.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
What argument are you trying to convey throughout this thread? That the 6700xt is not a good buy? Based on what metric? It outperforms the previous 5700xt handily. It seems to outperform the competition (3060ti and 3070). If it has decent availability how is it not a good buy? Because it's not under $300? lol.

If someone is building a PC and the 6700xt is available near MSRP and that fits in their budget then it is a good buy relative to other (un)available options. This idea it's not a good buy based on how many 1060s are on steam's hardware survey is the most bizarre argument I have read in a while.
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Honestly, the 6700xt looks at this stage to be the card to beat, and really I wish they had started with it. Mostly due to the fact that one, 1440p really is the sweet spot for most people out there, and two the die size is small enough that they could have launched 2 or maybe 3 times as many cards as they have gotten out so far, which would really have helped them gain market share especially with the state of the NVidia cards availability. At MSRP, it just checks more boxes for more people than the high-end cards.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
This idea it's not a good buy based on how many 1060s are on steam's hardware survey is the most bizarre argument I have read in a while.
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Come on, man, obviously everyone should be making nothing but 1060s, because that's the most popular card on Steam, and 3090s, because that's the most powerful one.
 
I'm still looking for a compelling 1440p replacement for my 1080Ti, which is still handling it fine. I bought my 1080Ti on this forum as a mined out card for $515 in October 2018. I guess the 6700XT should beat it, but not by enough for me to go to the trouble of fighting for one, especially given the price. I guess the 6700XT would work with BAR or whatever with my 3950x now, but I doubt it will make a big enough difference. Just hope my card doesn't die until all this is sorted out. Was there ever a better price/performance value than the 1080Ti?
 
kamikazi said:
I'm still looking for a compelling 1440p replacement for my 1080Ti, which is still handling it fine. I bought my 1080Ti on this forum as a mined out card for $515 in October 2018. I guess the 6700XT should beat it, but not by enough for me to go to the trouble of fighting for one, especially given the price. I guess the 6700XT would work with BAR or whatever with my 3950x now, but I doubt it will make a big enough difference. Just hope my card doesn't die until all this is sorted out. Was there ever a better price/performance value than the 1080Ti?
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970 and 8800GT come to mind as having unusually good perf/$ at launch and remaining relevant for any unusually long time. Sadly I think the days of cards like that might be behind us with prices going up up up.

Honestly though, I would aim higher than a 6700XT for 1440P if you want to keep it any length of time- today's 1440P card is going to be a 1080P card in a couple years.
 
kamikazi said:
I'm still looking for a compelling 1440p replacement for my 1080Ti, which is still handling it fine. I bought my 1080Ti on this forum as a mined out card for $515 in October 2018. I guess the 6700XT should beat it, but not by enough for me to go to the trouble of fighting for one, especially given the price. I guess the 6700XT would work with BAR or whatever with my 3950x now, but I doubt it will make a big enough difference. Just hope my card doesn't die until all this is sorted out. Was there ever a better price/performance value than the 1080Ti?
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the 1080ti is still a very stout 1440p card not a bad option to stick with. If you can find a 6700xt or 3070 near MSRP you're looking at maybe a 25-30% increase (2080ti) in performance and you can likely still get near $450 for your 1080ti, so might be an option.
 
1440p is nice a more than good enough, but I would like to see more companies/review sites looking at ultrawide 21:9 and high refresh.

16:9 and 60Hz are old news, and anyone building a new machine today should look at the real advances that have been made in display tech.

Judging by the slides, I think the 6700 XT is just about the best middle of the road option, while still having enough power for UW and HFR.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
the 1080ti is still a very stout 1440p card not a bad option to stick with. If you can find a 6700xt or 3070 near MSRP you're looking at maybe a 25-30% increase (2080ti) in performance and you can likely still get near $450 for your 1080ti, so might be an option.
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If I was going to be able to actually buy something now, I wouldn't go lower than a 3080 or 6800XT to be honest. If I'm going to upgrade, I'm going to upgrade. I keep my stuff for too long to cheap out. The way it's looking, it will be whatever next gen is.
 
KATEKATEKATE said:
970 and 8800GT come to mind as having unusually good perf/$ at launch and remaining relevant for any unusually long time. Sadly I think the days of cards like that might be behind us with prices going up up up.

Honestly though, I would aim higher than a 6700XT for 1440P if you want to keep it any length of time- today's 1440P card is going to be a 1080P card in a couple years.
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Not necessarily, look at the FPS improvements in Mesh Shading, in place of the standard. We should see this become the standard rendering method in the coming years.
 
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Lakados said:
Not necessarily, look at the FPS improvements in Mesh Shading, in place of the standard. We should see this become the standard rasterization method in the coming years.
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True that things like mesh shading, variable rate shading, async compute, upscaling etc will give good performance boosts where they are used-but I forsee those gains being more than offset by game devs upping geometry detail, shader fidelity, and laying on RT fx. I don't believe for a moment that 2021 GPUs will age better than- or even as well as- the likes of Pascal, Maxwell, early GCN and such. New DirectX effects, new consoles, new gpu architectures-visual quality is going to keep going up and performance is going to go down.
 
KATEKATEKATE said:
True that things like mesh shading, variable rate shading, async compute, upscaling etc will give good performance boosts where they are used-but I forsee those gains being more than offset by game devs upping geometry detail, shader fidelity, and laying on RT fx. I don't believe for a moment that 2021 GPUs will age better than- or even as well as- the likes of Pascal, Maxwell, early GCN and such. New DirectX effects, new consoles, new gpu architectures-visual quality is going to keep going up and performance is going to go down.
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Possibly, but if they don’t go crazy on that stuff you suddenly get $300 cards doing 144fps at 1440p with ray tracing while using movie quality textures. Which expands their player base while decreasing production costs. And right now the ballooning cost of AAA titles is a very real problem. I’m not sure developers are looking to dial up more things and instead are looking to scale back, they are tired of being sued when their titles fail to deliver while being late and over budget.
 
I wonder if the 6700XT will be equal or better in mining than the 5700XT. It appears that the previous RDNA1 and Vega generation cards are desirable when it comes to mining, but RDNA2 perhaps less so - at least at current prices/availability and vs the higher end cards. If the 6700XT can mine equally or better to the 5700XT it will be bought out en masse. Hell, if it can mine nearly as well as NV 3000 series in the rough price range (3060 Ti / 3070 ) then it will likely be a winner there too.
 
RanceJustice said:
I wonder if the 6700XT will be equal or better in mining than the 5700XT. It appears that the previous RDNA1 and Vega generation cards are desirable when it comes to mining, but RDNA2 perhaps less so - at least at current prices/availability and vs the higher end cards. If the 6700XT can mine equally or better to the 5700XT it will be bought out en masse. Hell, if it can mine nearly as well as NV 3000 series in the rough price range (3060 Ti / 3070 ) then it will likely be a winner there too.
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If AMD really wanted to cash in on the miners they'd re-release the Radeon VII or something similar on GCN/CDNA arch with 4096-bit HBM. That's the only way they could really compete with NV on mining, but I have a feeling they'd rather sell those cards to supercomputing clients. Navi2 hashrates have been mediocre so far thanks to the low memory bandwidth, I don't think the 6700XT will mine faster than the 5700XT and it's possible it will be worse.

some ETH #s for the comparison
3090- 100-120Mh/s
Radeon VII- 80-100Mh/s
3080- 80-100Mh/s
6900XT- 60-70Mh/s
6800- 60-70Mh/s
3070- 50-60Mh/s
2080Ti- 50-60Mh/s
5700XT- 50-60Mh/s
<--- 6700XT here?
Vega 64- 40-50Mh/s
2060 Super- 30-35Mh/s
RX 480- 20-25Mh/s

unless/until 3080 prices get REALLLY high (like over $1500-$2000, retail) I think the kind of miners who are moving dozens/hundreds of cards are going to keep going with those. I'm sure folks will mine on 6700XT when it drops, but the big mining farms that are affecting GPU supply care a lot about power efficiency and density; slow cards take up as much space and use almost as much power as fast ones so it doesn't make sense. There's a reason 3070 (much more affordable than 3080 but also significantly slower) & 3090 (barely faster than 3080 but way more expensive) are the cards that are actually somewhat possible to obtain while all the 3080s are in mining operations.


TL;DR Navi 2x have no memory bandwidth which make ETH algo sad; serious miners don't care about midrange cards they just buy 3080 by the pallet
 
sabrewolf732 said:
What argument are you trying to convey throughout this thread? That the 6700xt is not a good buy?
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Yes
Based on what metric?
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It's overpriced. I don't mean it's scalper over priced but the MSRP is overpriced. Anything over $300 is considered out of the reach of most consumers.
It outperforms the previous 5700xt handily.
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The 5700XT was also overpriced, which is why nobody bought them and they dropped significantly in price before COVID started.
It seems to outperform the competition (3060ti and 3070).
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Which are also overpriced and the 3060Ti is nearly $80 cheaper than the 6700XT.
If it has decent availability how is it not a good buy?
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Where do you see 6700XT's for sale? If there was plenty of 6700XT's then the sales price should match MSRP. There are no 6700XT's available.
Because it's not under $300? lol.
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Kinda the reason why nobody bought the 5600XT's, 5700's, and Nvidia's RTX 2k cards.
If someone is building a PC and the 6700xt is available near MSRP and that fits in their budget then it is a good buy relative to other (un)available options.
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Nobody should be using the current hardware unavailability as an excuse to buy overpriced hardware.
This idea it's not a good buy based on how many 1060s are on steam's hardware survey is the most bizarre argument I have read in a while.
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Then enjoy watching nobody buy the Ampere or RDNA2 cards this time as well. You can't ignore Steam's hardware survey which shows that the sub $250 market is dominating. It's like AMD put their fingers in their ears and went LALALA, and released the RX 6700XT. AMD with RDNA2 and RDNA1 seemed to be focused on what Nvidia is offering and pricing their products accordingly. Remember when AMD released the 5700's and then had to make a mad scramble to lower prices when Nvidia released their Super cards? Or how the 5600XT was given bios updates to justify the $280 price tag?

I said people should buy the RTX 2060 as that seemed somewhat reasonable and people did, according to Steams' hardware survey. That seems to still be the best option since the RTX 3060 is barely faster than the 2060. The 6700XT would be a good buy if it was $300, because it has a 192-bit bus and would make sense to be around that price range. A regular 6700 should have been $250. Of course currently AMD doesn't have to lower prices went there's a GPU shortage, but that won't always be the case.
 
DukenukemX said:
Yes

It's overpriced. I don't mean it's scalper over priced but the MSRP is overpriced. Anything over $300 is considered out of the reach of most consumers.

The 5700XT was also overpriced, which is why nobody bought them and they dropped significantly in price before COVID started.

Which are also overpriced and the 3060Ti is nearly $80 cheaper than the 6700XT.

Where do you see 6700XT's for sale? If there was plenty of 6700XT's then the sales price should match MSRP. There are no 6700XT's available.

Kinda the reason why nobody bought the 5600XT's, 5700's, and Nvidia's RTX 2k cards.

Nobody should be using the current hardware unavailability as an excuse to buy overpriced hardware.

Then enjoy watching nobody buy the Ampere or RDNA2 cards this time as well. You can't ignore Steam's hardware survey which shows that the sub $250 market is dominating. It's like AMD put their fingers in their ears and went LALALA, and released the RX 6700XT. AMD with RDNA2 and RDNA1 seemed to be focused on what Nvidia is offering and pricing their products accordingly. Remember when AMD released the 5700's and then had to make a mad scramble to lower prices when Nvidia released their Super cards? Or how the 5600XT was given bios updates to justify the $280 price tag?

I said people should buy the RTX 2060 as that seemed somewhat reasonable and people did, according to Steams' hardware survey. That seems to still be the best option since the RTX 3060 is barely faster than the 2060. The 6700XT would be a good buy if it was $300, because it has a 192-bit bus and would make sense to be around that price range. A regular 6700 should have been $250. Of course currently AMD doesn't have to lower prices went there's a GPU shortage, but that won't always be the case.
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you’re right, everything over $300 is a bad buy as evidenced by the availability of graphics cards over $300. Nobody is buying graphics cards over $300.

your evidence that it’s a bad buy doesn’t exist as the current market doesn’t support your argument.

If you’re arguing rdna1 was a bad buy because nobody bought it, then every graphics card released today is a good buy as theyre all unavailable.

which is it?
 
DukenukemX said:
Yes

It's overpriced. I don't mean it's scalper over priced but the MSRP is overpriced. Anything over $300 is considered out of the reach of most consumers.

The 5700XT was also overpriced, which is why nobody bought them and they dropped significantly in price before COVID started.

Which are also overpriced and the 3060Ti is nearly $80 cheaper than the 6700XT.

Where do you see 6700XT's for sale? If there was plenty of 6700XT's then the sales price should match MSRP. There are no 6700XT's available.

Kinda the reason why nobody bought the 5600XT's, 5700's, and Nvidia's RTX 2k cards.

Nobody should be using the current hardware unavailability as an excuse to buy overpriced hardware.

Then enjoy watching nobody buy the Ampere or RDNA2 cards this time as well. You can't ignore Steam's hardware survey which shows that the sub $250 market is dominating. It's like AMD put their fingers in their ears and went LALALA, and released the RX 6700XT. AMD with RDNA2 and RDNA1 seemed to be focused on what Nvidia is offering and pricing their products accordingly. Remember when AMD released the 5700's and then had to make a mad scramble to lower prices when Nvidia released their Super cards? Or how the 5600XT was given bios updates to justify the $280 price tag?

I said people should buy the RTX 2060 as that seemed somewhat reasonable and people did, according to Steams' hardware survey. That seems to still be the best option since the RTX 3060 is barely faster than the 2060. The 6700XT would be a good buy if it was $300, because it has a 192-bit bus and would make sense to be around that price range. A regular 6700 should have been $250. Of course currently AMD doesn't have to lower prices went there's a GPU shortage, but that won't always be the case.
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I get the desire to be angry at GPU's over $300 but at this point, the raw component costs on some of these "mid-tier" cards are running close to $300 on raw parts before the actual GPU is placed on it.
 
Desirable GPU's are never going to be $300 dollars again. Just put that out of your head now. Those days are long gone.

As a matter of fact here is the new pricing guide for the foreseeable future

Low end: 349-379
Mid tier: 459-579
High end: 699-879
Enthusiast: 1500 - ____

*Scalper: 1800 - 3800 (May include all the above)
 
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Krenum said:
Desirable GPU's are never going to be $300 dollars again. Just put that out of your head now. Those days are long gone.

As a matter of fact here is the new pricing guide for the foreseeable future

Low end: 349-379
Mid tier: 459-579
High end: 699-879
Enthusiast: 1500 - ____

*Scalper: 1800 - 3800 (May include all the above)
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epeen chasers caused that one.
low end is sub-350 btw...
 
Krenum said:
What's considered low end now days? I wasn't even equating the 1030 or lower, those aren't even worth their weight.
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1030/1050, crap you wouldnt use unless as a last resort.
theres low end then entry level gaming, mid, high and halo
 
Krenum said:
Desirable GPU's are never going to be $300 dollars again. Just put that out of your head now. Those days are long gone.

As a matter of fact here is the new pricing guide for the foreseeable future

Low end: 349-379
Mid tier: 459-579
High end: 699-879
Enthusiast: 1500 - ____

*Scalper: 1800 - 3800 (May include all the above)
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Don't be surprised if GTX 1060's will be what governs system requirements for games in the next few years then. I see this as a market squeeze by AMD and Nvidia and it failed since Turing and RDNA was released. Looks like they're going for round 2. Don't complain why games don't come with Ray-Tracing or a good implementation of Ray-Tracing when most people who play games are using GTX cards. Don't forget that consoles could take advantage of this situation and get people to pay $500 for a complete experience and not just a down payment for a graphics card. People don't just go out and pay more money for something they clearly aren't able to afford. You have been warned by Duke.
 
pendragon1 said:
i guess but we're talking gpus.
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It just never ceases to amaze me how much this is spilling over into other parts. I don't know what would be worse, low 6700 XT numbers at launch, or a delay of the launch to prep more parts.

When people are legit turning to high-end APUs for gaming...
 
DukenukemX said:
People don't just go out and pay more money for something they clearly aren't able to afford. You have been warned by Duke.
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They most certainly do. Technology, Houses, Vehicles (especially) Designer clothes, Credit Cards. I'd say well over half of the population of the United States has a caviar taste on a Mcdonald's budget.
 
Axman said:
It just never ceases to amaze me how much this is spilling over into other parts. I don't know what would be worse, low 6700 XT numbers at launch, or a delay of the launch to prep more parts.

When people are legit turning to high-end APUs for gaming...
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Suddenly Intel's new Xe-based graphics for OEMs suddenly look competitive.

That's it I'm calling it, Intel is buying and hoarding all the substrates at their fabs to force shortages on NVidia and AMD so they can become the defacto choice by being the only player with hardware in the field.
 
Axman said:
It just never ceases to amaze me how much this is spilling over into other parts. I don't know what would be worse, low 6700 XT numbers at launch, or a delay of the launch to prep more parts.

When people are legit turning to high-end APUs for gaming...
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I get what you're saying, but at the same time, have you used a high-end APU lately? Right after Christmas I picked up a Zephyrus G14 for $300 off at Best Buy, the one with the Max-Q RTX 2060 and Ryzen 9 4900HS (which, I note, has seen a $100 list price drop since then, and is still on sale for $1150. If you're not playing the latest AAA stuff on Ultra graphics it's actually pretty decent even on the APU. I know Guild Wars 2 and WoW aren't the latest but they play great with the options turned down a little, even on the iGPU. Plus, the CPU is the fastest laptop I've ever used by a big margin, being used to Dell Latitudes at work. The G14 is good enough I could almost use it as a desktop replacement, based on the applications I work with (I've run some benchmarks comparing it to my work i7-8700 desktop and previous laptop, using an i5 8250u (and the aforementioned Latitudes, the newest of which is about 4 years old, so whatever would've been in one then)). Compiling my company's application is very CPU-intensive and the build time serves as a pretty good relative indicator of CPU (and to a lesser extent, disk) grunt.
 
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I get what you're saying, but at the same time, have you used a high-end APU lately?
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Yeah, they're ... surprisingly capable. Especially if you're running at lower resolutions and upscaling with morphological antialiasing enabled.

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Next-gen DDR5 APUs and consoles as the gaming baseline for everyone!
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These will be a thing, especially if the supply chain doesn't open up by next year. As much as I am a PC enthusiast and supporter of high-end graphics cards, powerful APUs would be a smart move, particularly for mobile gaming.

Although I do look forward to seeing the Navi 22 mobile stuff, too. That will be a shorter wait.
 
GoodBoy said:
In the midwest we call that having a Champagne appetite on a Beer diet.

:)
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I don't think I ever tasted a Champagne that didn't taste exactly like the last, or a beer for that matter, all tastes like grapes & barley to me. Maybe I have that Mcdonald's diet :)
 
Lakados said:
That's it I'm calling it, Intel is buying and hoarding all the substrates at their fabs to force shortages on NVidia and AMD so they can become the defacto choice by being the only player with hardware in the field.
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Intel would have to fight Apple for TSMC. I would enjoy watching that fight take place. If Intel was smart they would expand their existing manufacturing and advance it to the point where they don't need Samsung or TSMC. One things for certain is that you don't want to be too dependent on TSMC.
 
I wonder if AMD will release rdna 3 before rdna can pay for itself, or if the next gen will be delayed due to the supply constraints.
 
Krenum said:
They most certainly do. Technology, Houses, Vehicles (especially) Designer clothes, Credit Cards. I'd say well over half of the population of the United States has a caviar taste on a Mcdonald's budget.
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The sales of the RTX 2k cards was so bad that Nvidia basically took a dump on RTX 2080 Ti owners. RTX 2080 Ti was like one step up faster than the GTX 1080 Ti, and then Nvidia releases the RTX 3080 and 3090 which are faster. The MSRP $500 RTX 3070 performs the same but with better Ray-Tracing performance. Even Jensen is like, time for 1080Ti owners to upgrade, because they ignored the RTX 2k cards. There is a clear reason for this. Then AMD is like, watch me get those RX 480 and GTX 1060 owners to upgrade. BAM! RX 5700 at $400 I mean $350, and the same happened to the 5700XT from $450 to $400. Clearly people who paid ~$250 for these cards and then after the last crypto crash then paid $100, would certainly be looking at the $300+ market? Then AMD releases the RX 5600XT for $280, which at the time you could find a RX 5700 for $300. Lots of people including myself were wondering why the 5600XT exists when the 5700 had clearly fallen to nearly the same price? Then Nvidia releases the RTX 2060 SUPER and then AMD has a mad rush to justify the $280 price tag because they're not lowering prices. When Nvidia releases the RTX 2060 Super, it then pushes the RTX 2060 down to $300. It was suppose to be discontinued but people started to buy them like crazy, because they reached $300.

Don't ignore history or you're doomed to repeat it. As of right now none of the pricing of these graphic cards are going to have any immediate negative impact on the industry, but at some point it will. You can't ignore the Steam hardware survey and pretend that the average person who buys graphic cards are also going out and buying gucci cloths and eating lobster at McDonalds. We've been through this back when the meme was, "but can it run Crysis?". Back in 2007 we've had the Geforce 8800 Ultra for $675 and 8800 GTX for $570. This was in 2007 money and that clearly was out of reach for most people. The Xbox 360 and PS3 dominated for very good reasons.
 
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The sales of the RTX 2k cards was so bad that Nvidia basically took a dump on RTX 2080 Ti owners. RTX 2080 Ti was like one step up faster than the GTX 1080 Ti, and then Nvidia releases the RTX 3080 and 3090 which are faster. The MSRP $500 RTX 3070 performs the same but with better Ray-Tracing performance. Even Jensen is like, time for 1080Ti owners to upgrade, because they ignored the RTX 2k cards. There is a clear reason for this. Then AMD is like, watch me get those RX 480 and GTX 1060 owners to upgrade. BAM! RX 5700 at $400 I mean $350, and the same happened to the 5700XT from $450 to $400. Clearly people who paid ~$250 for these cards and then after the last crypto crash then paid $100, would certainly be looking at the $300+ market? Then AMD releases the RX 5600XT for $280, which at the time you could find a RX 5700 for $300. Lots of people including myself were wondering why the 5600XT exists when the 5700 had clearly fallen to nearly the same price? Then Nvidia releases the RTX 2060 SUPER and then AMD has a mad rush to justify the $280 price tag because they're not lowering prices. When Nvidia releases the RTX 2060, it then pushes the RTX 2060 down to $300. It was suppose to be discontinued but people started to buy them like crazy, because they reached $300.

Don't ignore history or you're doomed to repeat it. As of right now none of the pricing of these graphic cards are going to have any immediate negative impact on the industry, but at some point it will. You can't ignore the Steam hardware survey and pretend that the average person who buys graphic cards are also going out and buying gucci cloths and eating lobster at McDonalds. We've been through this back when the meme was, "but can it run Crysis?". Back in 2007 we've had the Geforce 8800 Ultra for $675 and 8800 GTX for $570. This was in 2007 money and that clearly was out of reach for most people. The Xbox 360 and PS3 dominated for very good reasons.
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I get what you're saying and I agree to some extent. The people buying houses, new cars, designer clothes and other high end items, aren't buying graphics cards, and the people who do buy graphics cards aren't buying graphics cards because of the ridiculous prices & that's a problem for the industry.
 
DukenukemX said:
Then Nvidia releases the RTX 2060 SUPER and then AMD has a mad rush to justify the $280 price tag because they're not lowering prices. When Nvidia releases the RTX 2060, it then pushes the RTX 2060 down to $300. It was suppose to be discontinued but people started to buy them like crazy, because they reached $300.
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Eh, you might want to check your timelines there. 2060 was first, then 5700 cards, then 2060 super (response to 5700xt). The 1660 Super was released in late 2019, 1-2 months before the 5600XT in early 2020 (a year after the 2060) and made that 5600XT even more pointless by being $30-70 cheaper on top of the 5700 cards dropping to $275-300 on sales.
 
Krenum said:
I get what you're saying and I agree to some extent. The people buying houses, new cars, designer clothes and other high end items, aren't buying graphics cards, and the people who do buy graphics cards aren't buying graphics cards because of the ridiculous prices & that's a problem for the industry.
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To be honest, the whole correlation of expensive things and graphic cards is pretty stupid. I know people who buy $1k iPhones who are barely able to pay their rent. Lots of people aren't exactly smart with money. If you're smart enough to install a graphics card then you should be smart enough to be fiscally responsible with your money. Some people make sure they rotate out their graphics card every 2 years, and sell the old one on Ebay to either get a massive discount on their new graphics card or break even. Some people hold onto their hardware for 5+ years. Some people see the new shinny for sale and must have it, only to play Minecraft on it.
Ranulfo said:
Eh, you might want to check your timelines there. 2060 was first, then 5700 cards, then 2060 super (response to 5700xt). The 1660 Super was released in late 2019, 1-2 months before the 5600XT in early 2020 (a year after the 2060) and made that 5600XT even more pointless by being $30-70 cheaper on top of the 5700 cards dropping to $275-300 on sales.
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Meant to say 2060 then 2060 Super. Nvidia's naming scheme gets confusing fast.
 
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