RTX 3060 12GB

euskalzabe said:
Wow this is spectacularly underwhelming.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-3dmark-and-superposition-performance-leaked

If the 3060 really ends up being not even better than a 2060s then I can only consider getting the 60 ti or see what AMD offers. Perhaps this is not surprising, as Nvidia went with the low cuda core count GA106-400 expected to be a 3060 6gb (see OP). This would've been a sub $300 card, but with the extra ram price went up.

The more information we have about this, the more disappointing this launch is becoming. I don't think I'd want this card at all, barely any performance uplift for $20 less (at MSRP which we likely won't pay for a while anyway). I guess %11 uplift for ~%10 less money than a 2060 is still a net positive but yo, it's been 2 years. This is nowhere enough a generational tier improvement in my book.

No thanks. I'm not that desperate for a new GPU. And you said it was safe for us Pascal owners to upgrade, Jensen. Doesn't seem to be the case.
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Well, to give Jensen a little credit, it was safe, until crypto went booming again and nvidia forgot to provide some actual stock of their cards.
 
Furious_Styles said:
Well, to give Jensen a little credit, it was safe, until crypto went booming again and nvidia forgot to provide some actual stock of their cards.
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I wasn't talking availability wise. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always though Jensen's comment was referring to performance uplift. Turing was not "safe" as a Pascal upgrade because the performance uplift was quite small, most of the gains were on new features: DLSS and DXR. When he said Ampere was now "safe" to upgrade, I always interpreted it in the same vein, that there was finally a good performance uplift to consider it "safe" to spend your money for a decent return on investment.

If the 3060 is just like a 2060S, which itself is basically about a 2070... there's been no uplift whatsoever since last year. If a 2060S, which was the new 2060, is now basically the same as its successor, the 3060... why not just buy a 2060S for cheaper (I know nothing's available, I'm just trying to make a point, imagine the market were in normal conditions right now). I would've expected the 3060 to at least be at 2070S performance levels, making it about a 2080. I mean, seeing this chart earlier today kind of sunk all my excitement for the 3000 series 60 tier:

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It is especially bad when you consider that just $70 (always thinking MSRP) more for the 3060 Ti gets you thirty nine percent performance uplift. Do the math following that chart:

A 3060 costs %17.5 less than a 3060 TI, for a 39% reduction in performance.

Of course, these are just a few benchmarks, so we'll see when reviews come out (which, also, I expected that would happen today, the day before the 3060 goes on sale? This is a freaking weird launch). If game performance is really improved, say %20 improved vs the 2060 as Nvidia suggested in their slides, I might still not consider it vs a 3060 Ti. If I can't get one, I can keep my 1060 3GB a bit longer. Or if AMD surprises us and releases a 6700 even with just 6GB that's similar to the 3060 for $200-250 (an RX480 spiritual successor!)... I'd just jump on that. DXR is nowhere common enough to justify purchasing Nvidia's superior (for now) DXR accelerator cores. Probaby in 2022, once console games use DXR more and more, but not yet in 2021.
 
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This is a sad state of affairs. The 2070 or 2060 Super was a better deal than this crap. Yet everyone is going to clamor to buy one of these overpriced, gimped cards because there's no alternative.
 
JasonPC said:
This is a sad state of affairs. The 2070 or 2060 Super was a better deal than this crap. Yet everyone is going to clamor to buy one of these overpriced, gimped cards because there's no alternative.
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Could always buy one, keep trying to get one of the FE restocks, then flip the 3060 afterwards. Considering the state of the market you'd probably make money in the process.

Those benchmarks are about 10-15% below what I'd consider acceptable so I'll be passing on it. This really should've been a $250 max card, probably with 6 GB on it instead of 12. If Nvidia announced that at $200 I'd be like, "Yeah that seems right". Instead... we get this. lol
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Those benchmarks are about 10-15% below what I'd consider acceptable so I'll be passing on it. This really should've been a $250 max card, probably with 6 GB on it instead of 12. If Nvidia announced that at $200 I'd be like, "Yeah that seems right". Instead... we get this. lol
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Yeah... at $250 I'd buy it. I was cautiously excited to get a new 60 card. This performance, at this price... no way. I'll keep shooting for the 3060 Ti FE from BB at MSRP (jeez that's quite the acronym soup). Can't hurt to see what AMD announces on March 3rd.
 
euskalzabe said:
I wasn't talking availability wise. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always though Jensen's comment was referring to performance uplift. Turing was not "safe" as a Pascal upgrade because the performance uplift was quite small, most of the gains were on new features: DLSS and DXR. When he said Ampere was now "safe" to upgrade, I always interpreted it in the same vein, that there was finally a good performance uplift to consider it "safe" to spend your money for a decent return on investment.

If the 3060 is just like a 2060S, which itself is basically about a 2070... there's been no uplift whatsoever since last year. If a 2060S, which was the new 2060, is now basically the same as its successor, the 3060... why not just buy a 2060S for cheaper (I know nothing's available, I'm just trying to make a point, imagine the market were in normal conditions right now). I would've expected the 3060 to at least be at 2070S performance levels, making it about a 2080. I mean, seeing this chart earlier today kind of sunk all my excitement for the 3000 series 60 tier:

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It is especially bad when you consider that just $70 (always thinking MSRP) more for the 3060 Ti gets you thirty nine percent performance uplift. Do the math following that chart:

A 3060 costs %17.5 less than a 3060 TI, for a 39% reduction in performance.

Of course, these are just a few benchmarks, so we'll see when reviews come out (which, also, I expected that would happen today, the day before the 3060 goes on sale? This is a freaking weird launch). If game performance is really improved, say %20 improved vs the 2060 as Nvidia suggested in their slides, I might still not consider it vs a 3060 Ti. If I can't get one, I can keep my 1060 3GB a bit longer. Or if AMD surprises us and releases a 6700 even with just 6GB that's similar to the 3060 for $200-250 (an RX480 spiritual successor!)... I'd just jump on that. DXR is nowhere common enough to justify purchasing Nvidia's superior (for now) DXR accelerator cores. Probaby in 2022, once console games use DXR more and more, but not yet in 2021.
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Wow! If true, very disappointing, A 5700 is faster than this card and definitely a 5700 XT. Too bad AMD is more concerned and tied up with making Console APUs with their allotted dies from TSMC then their actual business of making enough CPUs and PC GPUs. I would like to see the mining card prices, maybe they will be much cheaper, which would bring another pitchfork to the conversation.
 
highlander2607 said:
Your wasting your money on this 3060. Please don't buy it and maybe Nvidia might get the message.
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+1. Honestly, what the hell was Jensen smoking when he was cooking this one up in his kitchen.

What's sad is everyone is so desperate for a card, they'll line up to buy one anyway. Happening at my local MC as we speak.
 
highlander2607 said:
Your wasting your money on this 3060. Please don't buy it and maybe Nvidia might get the message.
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Yeah, for real. I'm annoyed cos launch time is a legit chance to score a card, but the non ti 3060 is shaping up to be a real piece of shit. I think I'll keep trying for the ti and if it doesn't happen, well, too bad.
Sir Beregond said:
+1. Honestly, what the hell was Jensen smoking when he was cooking this one up in his kitchen.
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Didn't you see the 3070/80/90 announcement? The cards were in the oven! He's still high from the fumes 😂
 
There's already a video review on youtube which clearly shows how bad this card is. But I agree everyones in such a desperate state to get a video card they will buy anything right now. I was lucky to get a 3090 early January and I still need to update 2 more computers but I swear I think I might wait now for the next gen cards before I do anything else.
 
highlander2607 said:
There's already a video review on youtube which clearly shows how bad this card is. But I agree everyones in such a desperate state to get a video card they will buy anything right now. I was lucky to get a 3090 early January and I still need to update 2 more computers but I swear I think I might wait now for the next gen cards before I do anything else.
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The fact that there's been no video review or sneek peak 24h before the launch tomorrow kinda tells me this is not going to look pretty...
 
This is like another disappointing Turing card but without the added (new) benefit of dxr and dlss.
It will be known as one of the worst GPUs we've seen in a long time, surely. Reviewers are going to rip it to shreds tomorrow.

Its only saving grace is the extreme shortage of cards, ie: it's good because there's nothing else to buy.
 
euskalzabe said:
A 3060 costs %17.5 less than a 3060 TI, for a 39% reduction in performance.
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It is a bit strange because 139 is 39 more than 100, but 100 is 28% less than 139.

Still considering that usually it cost more and more $ to get performance, and does not came at a better price has you go up that particularly bad if that translate like that in games. The 3060 jump from the 2060 being completely different than the 3070 from the 2070 (or 2070s) on that graph.
 
Linus's review is the first that's up online. Plenty of negatives, but still an overall recommendation:



It does tend to come up better than the 2060S, making it essentially a 2070 - sometimes approaching 2070S territory. While unexciting, that at least puts it back in the race for me. Not that I'd prefer it, but I'll go back to "whatever I can actually purchase" mode (it's not like prices are going to go below MSRP by year end, anyway):

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Update: Gamers Nexus and Hardware Canucks followed suit just now:



"Nvidia has realized their products don't have to be exciting... they just have to exist". Steve gets is better than anyone. Probably why Nvidia went with GA106-300 instead of GA106-400. They just don't need to even try this year, and everything will sell out anyway.

 
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Multiple sites have listed the Black at 330 MSRP. Originally I assumed it was a placeholder price. Steve actually reviewed one which suggests they do exist.

I think EVGA might be making the Blacks available, at least the first few waves, at $330.

Keep a sharp eye on their store. the model num is 3655. I think most people will be hitting the XC first (for the backplate).
 
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So... very near 1080ti performance with 30% lower power consumption and DLSS / RT.

The only downside is actual retail price which can't be blamed squarely on Nvidia. Seems like a solid card... when its available at MSRP.
 
Nightfire said:
The only downside is actual retail price which can't be blamed squarely on Nvidia. Seems like a solid card... when its available at MSRP.
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I can't recall if Linus, Steve or Ebert mentioned this in the videos I linked, but a $300 1060 FE, considering inflation, would be $326 today. That makes the $330 of a 2060 seem palatable. Of course, as Steve from GN said, this is very much a "meh" card. It ended up being above a 2060S and often getting close to 2070S, which is... acceptable. Ideally, with usual 2-year developments, you'd expect this card to perform as a 2080 to be good value. It is pretty clear that Nvidia has done the least it has to, since they'll sell out anyway.

3060 or 3060 Ti, we'll see what tracker beeps first, and what I can actually buy. Either way, whatever I end up buying will last until at least 2024.
 
spine said:
I love the fact that Nvidia can't even be bothered to sell this latest farce themselves:

https://shop.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page=1&limit=9

It's like they're just quietly walking away from the very concept of selling 3D graphics cards to consumers. It's about to be March 2021, still can't buy a 3XXX card. These are no longer gaming products.
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The FE models for the other 30 series cards on Best Buy have more reviews than any other card at any other retailer lol. The FE models are probably the most produced, or at least most of them finding their way into hands of real gamers (people more likely to write reviews, vs bots/scalpers).

I guarantee Nvidia skipped the 3060 FE because of the tariff/shortage issue and Nvidia wanted AIB's to be able to gouge without competition.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
The FE models for the other 30 series cards on Best Buy have more reviews than any other card at any other retailer lol. The FE models are probably the most produced, or at least most of them finding their way into hands of real gamers (people more likely to write reviews, vs bots/scalpers).

I guarantee Nvidia skipped the 3060 FE because of the tariff/shortage issue and Nvidia wanted AIB's to be able to gouge without competition.
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Yes, they skipped it because making their own cards makes less money than selling the chips to AIBs. I got the feeling with the 3080 FE that it was a pretend gift, something that would never actually be readily available. Now they're not even bothering to 'pretend sell' a 3060 FE, says it all to me.

As a said, it's all a big farce. Wake me up in July, I'm just sick of graphics cards reviews appearing daily for what consider to be blatant vapourware!
 
spine said:
Now they're not even bothering to 'pretend sell' a 3060 FE, says it all to me.
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Like the cake in Portal, the 3060 TI FE is a lie, impossible to purchase. There's no more pretend cake, so no more 3060 FE attempts.

10 minutes. Good luck y'all. This is feeling a little bit hunger games-y. May the odds be ever in your favor!
 
EVGA doesn't even load for me. At least I got on the Newegg shuffle for the three models at $329.
 
Mine went through at 12:06 but I see people getting 12:04. Who knows how many got in the first few mins.
Some at 12:02 in the comments. Wow.
 
euskalzabe said:
EVGA doesn't even load for me. At least I got on the Newegg shuffle for the three models at $329.
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The trick seemed to be having multiple tabs open, each attempting to load the page. I'm assuming some people were running dozens of them and had much better odds.

EVGA doesn't have any kind of flood protection so you could literally spam as many requests as you want until one loaded.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
The trick seemed to be having multiple tabs open, each attempting to load the page. I'm assuming some people were running dozens of them and had much better odds.
EVGA doesn't have any kind of flood protection so you could literally spam as many requests as you want until one loaded.
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And here I thought that my 7 tabs trying to open the 3655 model were enough. Clearly most people just go way overboard. 1 of my tabs now seems to kind of be loading, but still stuck. I have 0 hope that even once I load it, I'll be able to click on the Notify and it'll go through. Well, getting some grading done while I wait, so I got the whole morning to wait on those tabs :D

And there's always the (negligible) chance I'll get the Newegg shuffle.
 
I just turned on Distill again and immediately got a BB trigger for the 3080 FE? Wonder how long that's been there.
 
EVGA finally loaded, but as expected, I'm clicking on Auto Notify, and nothing's happening. 4 tabs successfully loaded, none of them are working for me.
 
Finally got the Auto Notify through. 30 minutes, jeez, and some people managed to get it in 2 or 4 min.
 
So gamers nexus and linus are 2 out of three public reviews? What the shit is this?
 
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