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what is the performance increase over a 8 core 9th gen I9?
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What really gets me worked up isn't entirely the scale of the power consumption as it is the inconsistency of the official specs.Pentium D Electric Boogaloo.
The Pentium D 840 XE was known to pull almost 300W under heavy load. AMD had their smokin hot CPU as well, the FX 9370 and 9590.
f**k you're so right
what is the performance increase over a 8 more 9th gen I9?
I expect the launch to be like comet lake, very low supply on launch. Mobos might be easier to find since it's just the refresh.IMO, the big question is whether you can actually buy one easily. Like it was mentioned earlier in this thread - if you can actually buy one at retail price, there's something to be said for that.
I expect the launch to be like comet lake, very low supply on launch. Mobos might be easier to find since it's just the refresh.
Why is 12th gen supposed to be the big jump in performance?Motherboards are coming out in January. They should be in ready supply for a March launch.
The big question is when is the 12th gen coming out. I don't think rocket lake is going to make it through the end of 2021 before it is replaced.
Why is 12th gen supposed to be the big jump in performance?
Yeah I just looked and 12th finally moves to 10nm. I expect stock on that launch to be pitifully low.They are doing that whole big/little thing, and rocket lake is just a stand in until that's ready. Performance is anyone's guess, but it sounded like the end of 2021 for Alder Lake. Looks like Intel is pulling a Kaby Lake with this launch (e.g. all of 8 months of support and then BAM you have to buy a new motherboard). DDR5 support also.
cool cause a 10 core 9th gen is just over $329...I'm guessing MHz boost clocks is about it.
Are these drop in replacements for a Z270 board or will I need a BIOS update first?
cool cause a 10 core 9th gen is just over $329...
That's for OEMs. I've mentioned this before. My work PC is an i7-8700 non-K Dell. Dell rigidly enforces PL1 such that if I run anything that will fully load the CPU, anything from a stress test to a long compile, after a minute or so it will drop to 65W usage, no more. As it happens, that comes out to a couple of bins below the all-core boost speed. I'd be willing to bet HP and other desktop makers do the exact same thing. (I won't even get into laptops except to point out my Acer Swift 5 with an i5-8250U does this as well, except Acer apparently chose the 25W TDP up option in this case, so the CPU steady state is closer to 1.9GHz than the rated 1.6. It certainly won't hold the rated 3.4GHz boost for any length of time.)But the past few years Intel has increasingly been on this nonsense where they base their efficiency claims on an unrealistically-low PL1 "TDP"
2020 has bought about many horrible things, this is just one more notch on the belt it seems.
really who cares? this is hardforums. power usage and node should not matter. whoever provides the best performance does.
maybe im just old school
Don’t RISC it...Wait - did you say performance per watt? Where the fuk are the Apple/ARM fans?
What really gets me worked up isn't entirely the scale of the power consumption as it is the inconsistency of the official specs.
Like, it was obvious what to expect from chips like Smithfield or Vishera. But the past few years Intel has increasingly been on this nonsense where they base their efficiency claims on an unrealistically-low PL1 "TDP" while the performance numbers come from an absurdly-high PL2. That sort of behavior kiiiind of makes sense on mobile (even if it's also frustrating there, she types while glaring at her Sandy Bridge laptop) but on desktop it just seems misleading at best and outright lying at worst. The result being that users of pre-builts that respect PL1 are getting the advertised efficiency but not the advertised performance- while DIY'ers whose boards are set for infinite Long Turbo window are getting the promised performance but their perf/W is like half of what Intel insinuates.
blah, sorry for the rant. this TDP thing sets me off. I know AMD does it too, but Intel is just unhinged and shameless about it lately.
I need it, I’m required to submit all power and gas bills to the government for auditing and I am incentivized to stay below certain curves and falling outside them effects budgets when I request special funding for upgrades or projects.Wait - did you say performance per watt? Where the fuk are the Apple/ARM fans?
So terrible I love it....Don’t RISC it...
I want to see the the "guys" with the CFO wives that penny pinch the shit out of them in here,I need it, I’m required to submit all power and gas bills to the government for auditing and I am incentivized to stay below certain curves and falling outside them effects budgets when I request special funding for upgrades or projects.
My newest recruits to the cause are the EPYC 3251, those little work horses are now sitting at the top of my racks and let me virtualized like 5 appliances into one. Shaved like 250w out of each rack.
"Core i7-11700KF Edges Out Core i9-10900K In New Benchmark" -- https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i1-11700kf-rocket-lake-vs-core-i9-10900k-new-benchmarkI want to see the the "guys" with the CFO wives that penny pinch the shit out of them in here,
"Core i7-11700KF Edges Out Core i9-10900K In New Benchmark" -- https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i1-11700kf-rocket-lake-vs-core-i9-10900k-new-benchmark
"Intel Core i9-11900K, Core i9-11900, Core i7-11700 Rocket Lake 8 Core CPUs Spotted, B560 Boards Rumored To Support Memory Overclocking" -- https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-...ore-i7-11700-rocket-lake-8-core-cpus-spotted/all I know is that $299 9900K was able to get me to move on from my long lived and beloved 4790K.
125W TDP good god man! Other than that, the specs are decent. That 1 Core OC to 5.3ghz is kind of strange."Intel Core i9-11900K, Core i9-11900, Core i7-11700 Rocket Lake 8 Core CPUs Spotted, B560 Boards Rumored To Support Memory Overclocking" -- https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-...ore-i7-11700-rocket-lake-8-core-cpus-spotted/
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"Intel Rocket Lake mass production starts in January" -- https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-t...f-11th-gen-core-rocket-lake-s-cpus-in-january125W TDP good god man! Other than that, the specs are decent. That 1 Core OC to 5.3ghz is kind of strange.
It's at least something new and will be interesting to see how the big+little thing pans out on desktop. DDR5 gen could also be the death of lower end dGPUs, which hopefully brings the midrange back to sane pricing.
I really don't understand this big-little shit for the desktop. I get it for mobile but seems silly in this application.It's at least something new and will be interesting to see how the big+little thing pans out on desktop. DDR5 gen could also be the death of lower end dGPUs, which hopefully brings the midrange back to sane pricing.
It sounds too stupid to be true. So either Intel is beyond incompetent, gave up on desktop for now, or know something we don't.I really don't understand this big-little shit for the desktop. I get it for mobile but seems silly in this application.
edit: sounds like intel just ran out of die space again.