why is Intel new Optane H10 slower & more $ than the old 760p?

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The H10 is two x2 SSDs on one card: one half Optane, one half 660p. The intention is that it increases performance and endurance of the QLC through caching (software required). But because each half is x2, total performance is limited unless both sides are being used at the same time. It's also important to note, if you actually want to try it, that full compatibility is very limited and most systems (even Intel ones) only see one of the two halves.

Anandtech review is very interesting on how it's all put together and why it's a terrible product in general.

The 760p replacement is to go to another brand and buy a TLC drive from them. Intel may be getting out of the SSD business, now, but the reality is that they really haven't been in the consumer side with any seriousness for quite awhile, already.
 
Grebuloner said:
The 760p replacement is to go to another brand and buy a TLC drive from them. Intel may be getting out of the SSD business, now, but the reality is that they really haven't been in the consumer side with any seriousness for quite awhile, already.
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They have said that their departure from the SSD business does not include their Optane products.
 
GotNoRice said:
They have said that their departure from the SSD business does not include their Optane products.
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True, but it isn't a necessary caveat. I'd expect the H10 won't last much longer, anyway, considering its extremely limited compatibility. But, the simple fact that Intel isn't even bothering to spend a few days tweaking the firmware on someone else's SSD to resell is telling that if the OP wants a successor to the 760p, which is just a modified SM2262 with Intel flash, they should look elsewhere.
 
I didn't know about this. Why are they getting out? because intel is th eonly one that gives 5 yr. warranty
 
Happy Hopping said:
I didn't know about this. Why are they getting out? because intel is th eonly one that gives 5 yr. warranty
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The practical benefit of a 5 year warranty is pretty minimal.
With the slowdown in computer performance improvement, I'd guess most people hold on to their builds even longer. Meanwhile, the replacement value of a 5 year old SSD is probably 10% of its initial cost.
 
the 5 yr. indicates the confidence of a manufacturer on its product. It's like Geo Metro is 2 yr. warranty vs. Honda is 5 yr. on drive train. Who would you choose?
 
Happy Hopping said:
the 5 yr. indicates the confidence of a manufacturer on its product. It's like Geo Metro is 2 yr. warranty vs. Honda is 5 yr. on drive train. Who would you choose?
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With SSDs it's more than just confidence, it's roughly the endurance rating of the drive given flash manufacturer targets, and most SSD warranties include the line that the warranty is void if the TBW rating is reached first. TLC for consumers and read-intensive data centers is measured on a .3 DWPD scale, which is then divided into a mean guaranteed endurance rating of the flash and turned into years. There are plenty of variations of this from companies (e.g. Intel's DC vs. Consumer Optane endurance, given identical memory), but this is the general trend.

BTW, Samsung also offers 5+ year warranties depending on the drive (my 850 pro is 10 years, and doesn't have the TBW qualfiier).

Rather OT, but if you were to offer me today a Honda with a 5 yr warranty and a Metro with the 2 yr, I'd take the Metro. A car with a crap reputation that's at least 17 years old and you're offering a warranty? That's a golden sample, my friend. I encounter still-running gen 1 Metros every day, and dated a girl in '06 that had a '90 and cried when she lost it after being rear ended. She was 5'0" and would never find a car in her size, again!
 
I have encouter personally far too many failure on samsung. Even if those Samsung SSD is free, I won't want it.

by the way, did they finally fix that bug? the one similar to Intel 8 MB bug? the one that some of us talk about, that the SSD collapse, and even samsung Magician can't find it
 
Happy Hopping said:
I have encouter personally far too many failure on samsung. Even if those Samsung SSD is free, I won't want it.

by the way, did they finally fix that bug? the one similar to Intel 8 MB bug? the one that some of us talk about, that the SSD collapse, and even samsung Magician can't find it
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Do you have an article link?

I am running nothing but Samsung SSD's and I haven't heard anything but good things.
 
I read it right here in this sub-forum that the guy's samsung magician sees a 1 or 2 TB EVO drive as a 100MB drive. (could someone help out dig that thread out)

I'm now leading on Crucial P5, but I wonder how good it is, the spec. is good, and it's 5 yr. warranty
 
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It's sad to say, but looks like Intel is out of consumer SSD business. I still have two running in my NUC. One is nvme and the second is more impressive which is X-25M G2. That one is refusing to die whatsoever.

I also have the 970 Evo which runs snappy, but would like to have a little more speed due to my work with a lot of pdf files.
 
but I do wonder why would Intel jump ship like that. Are they not making $ on SSD? They create the whole movement back then
 
Happy Hopping said:
but I do wonder why would Intel jump ship like that. Are they not making $ on SSD? They create the whole movement back then
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They are losing money on it. Aside from Optane, they aren't exactly innovating anymore, and currently sit as the #5 flash producer. The IMFT endeavor with Micron (what we think of as "Intel Flash") has already ended.

More in-depth reading.
 
Happy Hopping said:
I didn't know about this. Why are they getting out? because intel is th eonly one that gives 5 yr. warranty
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Western Digital Black, Blue = 5 year
Crucial MX, P1-5 = 5 year
Samsung EVO = 5 year
Seagate FireCude 510, 520 = 5 year

...that's just the heavy-hitter brands, and I'm sure there are a lot of others that also offer a 5+ year warranty for their SSDs.
 
I have no faith on Western Digital nor Seagate. You like Crucial? I'm switching over to them
 
Happy Hopping said:
I have no faith on Western Digital nor Seagate. You like Crucial? I'm switching over to them
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Every Crucial SSD I've ever bought, from an M4 128GB to an MX500 1TB, are all still running.

I trust them because, like Samsung and formerly Intel, they make their own NAND.
 
that's good to know. Crucial is Micron, so I am very happy w/ Micron. So I'll switch over
 
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