3080 'tied to release with Big Navi'?? Seems I'm not the only one suspicious

[DarkSideA8]

A few weeks ago, in a fit of bitter pique I speculated whether Nvidia was 'gaming' the market just to troll or gain a step on AMD.
https://hardforum.com/threads/anyon...ight-be-tied-to-the-big-navi-release.2001862/ (locked, for some reason)

Most respondents understood this was just a frustration post, and responses generally quibbled with the premise saying that it would be an insane business choice, or that much more mundane causes like fab yields or supply chain disruption was the likely cause.

It seems, however, that my bitterness may have been prescient.

In the video below, MooresLawIsDead reveals that Nvidia held 'key components' (VRAM) back from the AIBs, and that the low introductory price of Ampere was unsustainable due to tiny margins. In other words - creating incredible demand for the low price, but using market forces to get people willing to pay hundreds more b/c of false scarcity.




BTW - he suggested 300,000 3080s are (apparently) shipping late Oct/early Nov.

Guess what else ships then?

 

[Decko87]

So it's actually an 800 dollar card basically? Honestly, none of the new cards are all that interesting at this point. Should've bought a used 2080 ti during the great purge haha.

 

[polonyc2]

why does Nvidia need to resort to such trickery and shady practices when they can sell a ton of cards even at higher prices...

 

[DarkSideA8]

why does Nvidia need to resort to such trickery and shady practices when they can sell a ton of cards even at higher prices...

That's the part that doesn't make sense. From what I have seen, issuing the card at 750 or 800 would have still sold.

I hear rumblings about 'mindshare' - and there is no denying that the FE pricing grabbed people in the amygdala. Perhaps the fear was that a standard release with good stocks at $800 would be 'ho hum, let's see what the other team offers'. What will be interesting is whether there really is a wave of reflexive buying just as Navi comes to market.

 

[undertaker2k8]

Who knows, may be all the stock price increase has gone to Jensen's head and he likes to have fun wasting customer's time...he was quoted as saying 'it is an interesting phenomenon to watch (people scrambling to buy..)'..if AMD had decent RT (their Fidelity CAS is close to DLSS) this generation, we should just get that instead.

 

[hesho]

why does Nvidia need to resort to such trickery and shady practices when they can sell a ton of cards even at higher prices...

you are talking about nvidia here.....

how they say a MSRP is xxxx yet there is maybe a single sku across all aibs at that price. No one seems to call them out on this, they always say the card starts at xxx yet 95% of the products are always over that price (i.e has anyone actually seen a 2080ti at 1000). This is what they have been doing for years so how is this a surprise?

 

[travm]

Nvidia has been like this literally from Day 1. Learned from the best, beat them, bought them, and here we are.

 

[5150Joker]

OP before you put all your stock in MLID, here’s a picture detailing how wrong he’s been and what a bullshit artist he is:

 

[DarkSideA8]

OP before you put all your stock in MLID, here’s a picture detailing how wrong he’s been and what a bullshit artist he is:

Interesting to see that. Thanks

The thing that caught my attention was how closely it aligned with my bitter gripe. Confirmation bias? Maybe. Or maybe the shennanigans are real.

however - I'll see what Navi does and what the 3080 supplies look like and then buy something

 

[Ready4Dis]

OP before you put all your stock in MLID, here’s a picture detailing how wrong he’s been and what a bullshit artist he is:

Interesting to see that. Thanks

The thing that caught my attention was how closely it aligned with my bitter gripe. Confirmation bias? Maybe. Or maybe the shennanigans are real.

however - I'll see what Navi does and what the 3080 supplies look like and then buy something

Interesting sure.. correct, not really... the chart is about as wrong as MLID has been, about 50% wrong.

All server cards are using TSMC, while consumer cards are using 8nm... -1 for you, +1 for MLID (this can be viewed either way, if he was directly specifying consumer only cards, then he was wrong)
Even NVIDIA said that DLSS next gen will be minimal to have working as long as it supports TAA.... -1 for your chart +1 for MLID
All cards released so far have boosted to 1900MHz... so while it's not in the official spec, it's true -1 for chart +1 for MLID
No confirmed memory compression improvements - straight from NVIDIA's site... "All this tech, along with driver optimizations, memory compression techniques, and other NVIDIA Ampere architecture enhancements, makes GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics cards the absolute fastest available." -1 for chart +1 for MLID

So, you're looking at (6-7)/12 which puts it about 50%... which is still pretty crappy. Nobody should be taking what MLID says at face value, it's like a weatherman... if you guess often enough you're bound to get it right sometimes .


But the arguing using a chart that is incorrect as much as MLID invalidates your complete hate for what he does, when you are going to argue that someone isn't accurate, at least be more accurate than the person your so focused on.