So buy Ampere or wait for AMD response?

I'll be jumping to a 3090, but not right away. I am in no rush right now as everything is running great, and it will give time for the dust to clear and AIB options to become more available after launch. Who knows, maybe by the time I am ready to buy the 3090 a 3080Ti will be out... lol. As I do not technically need a "Titan" class GPU, but I do want a GPU with more Vram and considerable performance increase than I have now as I game at 4K and have come close to the limit before in MSFS2020 and SOTTR. I am a "Max all setting at 4K with RT on" type of gamer... lol.

Side Note: I snagged all the Expansion packs for Control on Sale and forgot how demanding this game was at 4K fully maxed... lol. However; kudos to DLSS 2.0, looks amazing and makes the game playable around 60 FPS.
 
Everybody should wait for AMD or at the very least they should wait until after my 3090 order gets cleared and delivered. That way I don't have to get calluses on my penis from F5'ing.
 
noko said:
Well if AMD can give us some reasons to wait, that would help. Showing actual gameplay would also be nice. Compare it against the 2080 Ti even. Release the secret sause.
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I wouldn't say anything till the 16th. No preorders. Dole out that first punch right before the fight really starts.
 
cybereality said:
I don't think he's just trolling. But maybe he's trolling.

I'd be happy if AMD showed something solid.
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Yar, hopefully not trolling. Him and Hershelman are pretty calculated with what they tweet.

I think worst case scenario, we get an announcement of an announcement (probably a timer countdown).
 
all this time I was going to wait for Big Navi and then decide the better value but I forgot I had a G-Sync monitor so I pretty much have to go with Nvidia...no plans on upgrading my 1440p 144hz monitor anytime soon

so Nvidia has made a bunch of G-Sync monitors FreeSync compatible but vice-versa is not happening (G-Sync monitors being FreeSync capable)?
 
NKD said:
Announcement of an event to an event. 😂
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Yep. No actual material info will be revealed today except maybe a foggy image of a logo with a vague image of one of the cards. They're going to trickle out finite pieces of useless info right up to the 17th. The real details won't arrive until after 17 September or right beforehand.
 
No DLSS, no buy from me. NVIDIA just can't be touched GPU wise. They spend a lot of money on talent and have the best Engineers in the business.
 
Laffles said:
No DLSS, no buy from me. NVIDIA just can't be touched GPU wise. They spend a lot of money on talent and have the best Engineers in the business.
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This is the biggest hurdle AMD has to climb imo, nvidia is on their second generation cards that support raytracing, and they've used much of the time to train their deep learning tech on a wider variety of games.

This is why it's so important that the new xbox is supposed to support raytracing too, so the game devs making cross platform console games have some incentive to enable microsofts raytracing and that will impel more game devs to try to get whatever AMD's future equivalent of DLSS working. But will that take a lot more time to refine? I'm expecting amd to be behind here, but how far behind? And will they pull a hail mary and show parity?
 
tybert7 said:
This is the biggest hurdle AMD has to climb imo, nvidia is on their second generation cards that support raytracing, and they've used much of the time to train their deep learning tech on a wider variety of games.

This is why it's so important that the new xbox is supposed to support raytracing too, so the game devs making cross platform console games have some incentive to enable microsofts raytracing and that will impel more game devs to try to get whatever AMD's future equivalent of DLSS working. But will that take a lot more time to refine? I'm expecting amd to be behind here, but how far behind? And will they pull a hail mary and show parity?
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I consider DXR performance to be like tessellation between NVIDIA and AMD.
And doubtful that AMD's 1st gen will beat NVIDIA's 2nd gen.
1st gen is where you introduce a feature, 2nd gen is when you have "OMPHF!!!" in said feature.
The jump in DRX performance between Turing and Ampere illustrates this very well.
 
Factum said:
I consider DXR performance to be like tessellation between NVIDIA and AMD.
And doubtful that AMD's 1st gen will beat NVIDIA's 2nd gen.
1st gen is where you introduce a feature, 2nd gen is when you have "OMPHF!!!" in said feature.
The jump in DRX performance between Turing and Ampere illustrates this very well.
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It does, but NVIDIA didn't know exactly how much RT performance would be needed at the time (a roundabout guess) and the die sizes were already getting way to big to include much more. AMD has neither of those problems, but it'll still be first gen attempt with slightly less constraints than NVIDIA's first gen attempt. Either way, I figured we'll hear at least some information before NVIDIA starts selling so maybe it can give some hope to wait it out.
 
could AMD actually paper launch Big Navi today?...the sun will come out tomorrow...
 
FrgMstr said:
Yes, I left Intel over a year ago. Son had Leukemia and all the time spent in Santa Clara was not working out and was not going to work out in the future either, so it was time to bail before I got in any deeper there.

My son is doing great right now. He just celebrated his 20th birthday and started technical school last week. His younger sister gave him a bone marrow/stem cell transplant. Everything is looking up. :)

And now back on topic.
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The on-topic section: I have the 1080Ti i got from you, but its on a machine approaching 6 years old. This will likely stay intact and be handed down to the kids (11 and 7) once I build myself a new Zen3 machine. By that time, Navi should be out and then i can decide between them. 80% of my GPUs had been ATI/AMD...only last 2 were nVidia.

Off-topic: Appreciate the update on your son. Had been wondering but never wanted to intrude. Heroes coming out of this strong and amazing sister! Dealing with my own C for 8 years, after the initial feelings, learned to suck it up and get over it being in my 40s when you think about young kids getting C. So yes, I am more sensitive when I hear about anyone else going through it, even strangers, especially young ones. Been wondering about what was next for you once this hurdle was overcome, but again, not intruding! :p
 
Waiting for AMD to announce Big Navi. Will put in my 3900x rig below and move the Rad VII to the 2700X.

My 2080TI is @1 and 1/2 years old and is a GREAT card for my 9900k rig. The 1080TI is the Gigabyte Waterforce custom water cooled card in my custom water cooled 5960x (running at 4.4 all core solid).

I'll enjoy all the hype and take my time to decide.

One thing that is hardly mentioned with the Ampere/Big Navi fan fare is what monitor do you have to take advantage of all this horsepower.
 
skline00 said:
One thing that is hardly mentioned with the Ampere/Big Navi fan fare is what monitor do you have to take advantage of all this horsepower.
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True. I still have a 12 year old Dell 2408FPW going strong. This too will be handed down, but have not really thought of what I will replace it with for myself when building a new rig.
 
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skline00 said:
One thing that is hardly mentioned with the Ampere/Big Navi fan fare is what monitor do you have to take advantage of all this horsepower.
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Perhaps a controversial view, but anything under 4k 60hz on a 3080 or above is a waste, unless you're a twitch gamer.
 
harmattan said:
Perhaps a controversial view, but anything under 4k 60hz on a 3080 or above is a waste, unless you're a twitch gamer.
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I've been a 1080p gamer since 2007. I've seen a lot of people claim certain GPUs are overkill for 1080p, every generation. But they have always been wrong.

RTX 3080 is the first time I will say this: It's overkill for 1080p.
New consoles might change that, though.

Truthfully, with DSR there is no such thing as "overkill".
 
polonyc2 said:
a 2080 Ti is overkill for 1080p...
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Control (and likely CP2077) disagree with you! lol. Besides that, normal games look way better with DSR on 1080p.

It’d be awesome if AMD does announce something today. If they don’t give us at least a paper launch before 14sep I’ll assume it’s because they have nothing.
 
Dayaks said:
Control (and likely CP2077) disagree with you! lol. Besides that, normal games look way better with DSR on 1080p.

It’d be awesome if AMD does announce something today. If they don’t give us at least a paper launch before 14sep I’ll assume it’s because they have nothing.
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Every day that goes by at this stage without a word from AMD is certainly pointing at that, I don't see the point to the silence.
 
Auer said:
Every day that goes by at this stage without a word from AMD is certainly pointing at that, I don't see the point to the silence.
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Doesn't mean anything one way or another or the insider sells of AMD stock from Lisa Sue (150,000) shares and other higher ups. That is until we know more as time goes on then it can explain the why. Personally, strategically I would not want my competitor to know anything on my next moves until it is too late. Is Nvidia shortage of Ampere cards propagated around the internet a ruse or true? I don't think we really know until the launch occurs, Nvidia has had some very good hard launches in the past and some not so good ones as well.
 
bigbluefe said:
There's no compelling reason to build a new PC before Zen3. Makes no sense to not wait IMO.
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There's no compelling reason to link GPU upgrades to building a new system. You upgrade your GPU every 2 or 3 years, your CPU/etc should be good for 6-10 with at most a mid-life ram/ssd capacity upgrade.

New GPUs almost always give a really large performance gain; while unless you're trying to stream on the same system you're gaming a half dozen year old quad core with HT (eg an i7) will be within a few percent of the latest and greatest in FPS when gaming. It's only older i5 (quad core no-HT) and below CPUs that start bottlenecking badly on some newer titles.

If you've got something like an i5-4690k you're do for an upgrade and either a Zen 3 or i7/i9-10xxx part would be a major upgrade. If you've got an i7-4770k and aren't streaming your CPU's still good enough for gaming. Unless you're doing something else that needs a lot of CPU you might as well wait a few more years and get a system PCIe5 and DDR5 for a more future proof build. Today you'll get a lot more spending all of your money on a better GPU; or a GPU and a bigger SSD (the 250/500 GB models which were the affordable option a few years back are getting cramped as games get bigger, unless you only play 1 at a time more install space would make things easier).
 
Herkelman could just do a quick update on things, from his kitchen, with a lot of spatulas in the background. A lot. Cheaper too, hopefully.
 
Auer said:
A month from now.

Hmh.
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Well AMD saying "Learn more" does not sound like a launch date. So no solid info until then? Just rumors, hype? While Nvidia are selling next gen cards.
 
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