So buy Ampere or wait for AMD response?

pippenainteasy said:
I think some people are reading between the lines between the tweet saying the GA104 wont be able to compete and the leaked benchmark a few months ago showing a RDNA card doing ~30% faster than the 2080 Ti, plus the internal rumors saying AMD doesn't think their card will beat the 3080 maybe implies a card around 10% behind the 3080. If so they probably can't launch for more than 550-599 at most.
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I haven't been following leaks like I was back before vega & navi came out. It just isn't fun for me anymore.

I'm sure AMD will have some price-competitive offerings to much of Nvidia's stack. I just don't know if AMD will have a statement product to match the 3080. Quite frankly, that would be out of my usual price range anyways.
 
pippenainteasy said:
plus the internal rumors saying AMD doesn't think their card will beat the 3080 maybe implies a card around 10-15% behind the 3080.
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Can I have your links on this please? I would like to see exactly where that is coming from. Thanks.
 
Kardonxt said:
Kyle keeps telling everyone to wait, and he's the only one I trust here to have real inside knowledge lol.

I would have waited anyways, but that's pretty solid reassurance.
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I am feeling pretty good about Big Navi in terms of Raster Performance. Not sure on the Ray Tracing side of things, but quite frankly, I am not so sure that really matters looking at the entire market. CyberPunk 2077 is surely going to be a big measuring stick, but I really want to see the game in action and compare RT with no-RT. No doubt that NVIDIA has dumped a LOT of money into CP2077 and is going to use it as a marketing focus going forward. However, seeing that most folks keep GPUs for a couple years at least now, I am not sure CP2077 will be what we should use as a measuring stick. NVIDIA has certainly gotten way out over its skis when it comes to RT marketing and they need a solid win besides Control.
 
Any idea on the Navi announcement? I've seen everything from Oct 6, november, to delayed indefinately due to boot quaking over Ampere (I don't buy that one).
 
Aireoth said:
Any idea on the Navi announcement? I've seen everything from Oct 6, november, to delayed indefinately due to boot quaking over Ampere (I don't buy that one).
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Lisa said Q4. So Q4. I have no reason to believe that would be missed. Now let's look at what goes on in Q4 sales-wise. Black Friday and Christmas. I would expect AMD to want to very much hit both those marked increase in retail sales. Launching and SELLING before Black Friday makes the most sense to me. One, this gets product out for those sales events, and if close enough to Black Friday, it gives NVIDIA no time to react with any products to counter any moves made by AMD.

That is all my speculation and analysis. My 2 cents. You may need change.
 
Makes perfect sense.

I hope AMD can stick it to nVidia, competition is the lifeblood of innovation. Plus nVidia has not been a paragon of ethics, which would just add a bit of cream on top if AMD does kick their butts a little.

The sour taste I have from plunking down on the 2080ti has me waiting this round.
 
FrgMstr said:
Can I have your links on this please? I would like to see exactly where that is coming from. Thanks.
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The performance leak: WCCFtech months ago, recently brought up by Redgamingtech today on his youtube channel.
AMD saying Navi 2x wont beat 3080: Moores Law is Dead podcast
AMD saying GA104 won't beat Navi 2x: Another twitter leak I got from MLID podcast
Pricing = my speculation
 
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pippenainteasy said:
The performance leak: WCCFtech months ago, recently brought up by Redgamingtech today on his youtube channel.
AMD saying Navi 2x wont beat 3080: Moores Law is Dead podcast
AMD saying GA104 won't beat Navi 2x: Another twitter leak I got from MLID podcast
Pricing = my speculation
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WCCFtech month ago and an "internal" rumor, or a rumor. Any way..
Listened to RedGaming this morning, and he never said he had internal AMD sources telling him that.
I just listened to the MLID podcast and he did not say that. Please link me.
AMD saying GA104 wont beat Navi 2, has nothing to say about GA102.

I think you like to hear what you want to hear. And you listen to too many rumors and give them credence. Not sure what "internal rumors" means to you.
 
FrgMstr said:
WCCFtech month ago and an "internal" rumor, or a rumor. Any way..
Listened to RedGaming this morning, and he never said he had internal AMD sources telling him that.
I just listened to the MLID podcast and he did not say that. Please link me.
AMD saying GA104 wont beat Navi 2, has nothing to say about GA102.

I think you like to hear what you want to hear. And you listen to too many rumors and give them credence. Not sure what "internal rumors" means to you.
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lol what. I think I absolutely could find timestamps, but I find people like you who immediately aggressively escalate any discussions have obvious agenda and just want to engage in dominance hierarchy competitions on the internet and will move the goalpost when they are proven wrong, so I'm not gonna waste my time. There's absolutely zero upside for me to waste my time to and do this free research for you just for you to move on to trolling the next person on [H]. Calling people names seems to be your actual goal, there's absolute no need for anybody to waste their time just to satisfy your fetish.
 
pippenainteasy said:
lol what. I think I absolutely could find timestamps, but I find people like you who immediately aggressively escalate any discussions have obvious agenda and just want to engage in dominance hierarchy competitions on the internet and will move the goalpost when they are proven wrong, so I'm not gonna waste my time. There's absolutely zero upside for me to waste my time to and do this free research for you just for you to move on to trolling the next person on [H] just so you can call people names which seems to be your actual goal.
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Okie dokie. My point is that you have no sources for your posting about "internal" rumors. You know it, I know it.
 
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pippenainteasy said:
Concession accepted.
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idk what your reading at all.
 
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Kardonxt said:
Kyle keeps telling everyone to wait, and he's the only one I trust here to have real inside knowledge lol.

I would have waited anyways, but that's pretty solid reassurance.
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Kyle probably has a 3090 already and has fully built the whole FPS Review on it, but cant post it until the 24th or whenever the review embargo ends.

Heck he probably already been killing fools in games with it already
 
Stoly said:
I have an eye on the 3070, but I'm curious to know what AMD comes up with. If only so they can get on a price war.
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I'm going to wait for amd to release their cards before I make a decision for my personal rig, but I am considering buying the 3090 asap for the purpose of flipping it for higher price when they dry up.

Am I malevolent for trying to get a new gpu for free?
 
tybert7 said:
I'm going to wait for amd to release their cards before I make a decision for my personal rig, but I am considering buying the 3090 asap for the purpose of flipping it for higher price when they dry up.

Am I malevolent for trying to get a new gpu for free?
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I will definetly try to get a 3080 on release day. As you said, I assume the supply will be low, so even if AMD is releasing something better, I can still sell the 3080 for a good price and switch to AMD. But the first hurdle will be to get a 3080... I hope Microcenter will have it on release day. Is there any word on the review embargo yet?
 
tangoseal said:
GPP has been done away with I think. I could be wrong but I remember hearing it was so unpopular it was damaging nV's reputation badly.
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Yeah, largely because of a the mess and stink a certain website and its founder created, which likely forever blacklisted them from team green. I just can't remember which site it was...
 
Stoly said:
In rasterized games, very likely I guess, but in RayTracing? I don't think so. And then there's DLSS, I'm pretty sure AMD will have its own counterpart. Hopefully its more akin to DLSS2.0 and not 1.0

BTW benchmarking will get very interesting with all the new technologies. Apples to apples will be really hard to do.
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My bold, above. Absolutely agree.

I'm going to wait and see what the benchmarks show, but it will be a chore wading through them to suss out what's really going on.
 
c3k said:
My bold, above. Absolutely agree.

I'm going to wait and see what the benchmarks show, but it will be a chore wading through them to suss out what's really going on.
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At least this time. AMD won't be scrambling to shift gears like with the 5600XT, enabling more GPU and Memory clocks after they have already shipped. They have time to digest and adjust what they have, so they can target exactly what NVidia has.

Rumors have consistently been 72-80 CU part. That should be reasonably close to the RTX 3080. As usual these days, they will likely trade blows as it swings wildly depending on the specific game.

Top Stack Big Navi, should be using HBM. 16GB of HBM will give them a Bandwidth (~1TB/s), capacity and power usage advantage over 3080.

Power advantage of HBM will be key.

People dumping on 3080 power consumption, shouldn't get smug just yet. 2 X 5700 = 450 Watts. TSMC N7+ only shows about 15% power savings, that only gets down to 380 Watts. Getting power under control is the biggest top of stack challenge for everyone.

Definitely looking forward to seeing AMDs release. My expectation, is that HBM based big Navi will be be a compelling competitor to 3080, if they went with GDDR6, I think that is going to be rougher.

But with so much HBM experience, and the power issue looming this release, I can't see AMD going GDDR6 for top of stack part.
 
polonyc2 said:
if Big Navi launches in early October (as rumored) then it's not a long wait...so my advice would be to wait and see the performance numbers...
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If big navi launches in early October as rumored, then it's only a 2-3 week wait from 3080, 1-2 week from 3090 and at the same time as 3070 :) But that time, we hopefully have an idea of ACTUAL 30xx series performance and maybe a hint of AMD performance.
 
Well according to AMD there will be a 50% bump in performance per watt.
If those numbers are to be believed, then if AMD makes a 350watt card like the 3090, then it will only be on average 10-14% slower, than the 3090.
It'll probably be much cheaper than the $1500 3090 if AMD makes such a card...
 
Snowdog said:
People dumping on 3080 power consumption, shouldn't get smug just yet. 2 X 5700 = 450 Watts. TSMC N7+ only shows about 15% power savings, that only gets down to 380 Watts. Getting power under control is the biggest top of stack challenge for everyone.
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AMD claimed that RDNA 2 will have 50% perf/w improvement (and that probably includes the n7+ process improvements)
so 2x 5700xt = 450w
450 and 50% improvement is 337watts
we'll see soon enough
 
I know its too early to tell, but at first glance, it seem that
Rockenrooster said:
Well according to AMD there will be a 50% bump in performance per watt.
If those numbers are to be believed, then if AMD makes a 350watt card like the 3090, then it will only be on average 10-14% slower, than the 3090.
It'll probably be much cheaper than the $1500 3090 if AMD makes such a card...
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Well nividia claimed 1.9x bump in performance/watt. I just don't see anywhere near that. But I'm sure nvidia can come up with some metric that resembles that.
AMD made similar claims with Vega VII and lets say it was not quite there, that said RDNA did bring a huge performance/watt advantage compared to VEGA, but Vega was not very energy eficient to begin with, and efficiency gains had more to do with going 7nm.

Again I'm sure AMD will also find a metric where the claimed gains are sustained, but I don't think it will be enough for AMD to beat nvidia.
 
Stoly said:
Again I'm sure AMD will also find a metric where the claimed gains are sustained, but I don't think it will be enough for AMD to beat nvidia.
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So basically as long as neither fibs more than the other? Kind of funny to think about it that way.
 
I still think that if one company has the market share by 80%, Has superior software solutions and just dropped a pretty serious improvement over their last gen then the challenger needs to do more than to drop easter eggs in Fortnite.
 
tangoseal said:
Kyle probably has a 3090 already and has fully built the whole FPS Review on it, but cant post it until the 24th or whenever the review embargo ends.
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Excuse my ignorance of current affairs, but I thought Kyle was working at Intel under their community outreach division. He's back in the review game now? Why not restart HardOCP?
 
Rockenrooster said:
He's been out of Intel for a while now, it was pretty short lived
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I don't think it even really started.

Honestly the man deserves props for holding everyone accountable to his own determent, pretty sure Kyle has managed to piss off every company at some point but he did an amazing job at keeping them honest. So when he says he is waiting this launch, you probably should too.
 
So now hes writing reviews for The FPS Review? No plans to bring back Hard? I guess if several Hard staffers went there, it makes sense for him to go too instead of trying to pull them back
 
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