Jensen Huang announces Ampere prices

nEo717 said:
Jensen quickly talked over little bit about that -- 3090 is $1399 (AIB) with $100 premium for founders ($1499) with all other models MSRP being same for founders and AIB. I'm wondering if that MSRP will hold? Will founders sell out really fast and all AIB then bump up prices?
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The founders cards generally are only sold by nvidia until the end of the year. However, the $100 premium may be worth it if you consider the 3 year warranty, and if you are not the type to overclock a card the FE coolers are well designed for the stock thermals.
 
Mchart said:
It is highly unlikely AMD is going to offer anything remotely near performance of a 3090 or even 3080. If you know you want a 3090 waiting for AMD is kind of useless. Nvidia priced the 3070 at that price-point for a reason. Everything else above it AMD likely won't be able to come near.
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big navi is double the die size of their current chips, if they made zero performance per watt improvements and just doubled performance linearly with twice the die size, and taking into account that some gpu components on die won't need to be duplicated and more space can be used to add performance increasing components, that should put it ahead of a 2080ti. And tsmc's 7nm is still more dense and efficient than samsungs best nodes which is what nvidia is using.

People are getting confused with the comparisons of the 3080 to the 2080, compared to the 2080ti it will not be as large a jump.

I think there is a very good chance big navi matches or bests the 3080. And to hit back, nvidia can just release a 3090 with 12GB of vram instead to stave them off for less money and move the 3080 price down a hundred bucks.

But... we'll see.
 
odditory said:
I'd lay money on a 3080Ti at $899 or $999 in March/April 2021. And its not going to have an even 16GB because of bus width constraints.
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Yup the 3090 buyers will get to enjoy the bragging rights for a few months before 3080 ti/3090 12gb takes it away from them at a much lower price. It’s the same old story nvidia has always done so unless one really needs 24 gb vram or has money to burn, the best bet is to wait until 2021.
 
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Has anyone seen any partner models in the 10.5 inch territory yet? Everything I've seen is pushing triple fans and too big for my SFF Cerberus X. I'm limited to the size of a Founders 2080.
 
3080 is looking pretty interesting for the price. I'd have to see some reviews versus the 2080 Ti I got, but it should be an upgrade.

Just need to wait for AIB this time, not a huge fan of the new design.
 
tybert7 said:
moore's law is dead guy disagrees with you



big navi is double the die size of their current chips, if they made zero performance per watt improvements and just doubled performance linearly with twice the die size, and taking into account that some gpu components on die won't need to be duplicated and more space can be used to add performance increasing components, that should put it ahead of a 2080ti. And tsmc's 7nm is still more dense and efficient than samsungs best nodes which is what nvidia is using.

People are getting confused with the comparisons of the 3080 to the 2080, compared to the 2080ti it will not be as large a jump.

I think there is a very good chance big navi matches or bests the 3080. And to hit back, nvidia can just release a 3090 with 12GB of vram instead to stave them off for less money and move the 3080 price down a hundred bucks.

But... we'll see.
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I'm with you there. There has been plenty of rumor-mill analysis surrounding the next-gen consoles and their performance/watt that supports this. AMD has promised 50% higher performance per watt over RDNA 1. That efficiency gain translates to a significant IPC improvement. Combine that with the rumored 80 compute units (double that of the 5700 XT), and you have one hell of a GPU.

Everything is unknown at this point, but with the continued influx of cash from the success of Zen/Zen+/Zen 2, and their current stock price, they definitely have something up their sleeve.

I know everyone got burned on Vega, but part of that letdown was due to the hype train, and mining demand. They are under a lot of pressure to get it right this time, and I feel that they finally have the cash to do so.

I am more worried about what RDNA 2 pricing will look like, than if they can compete for the performance crown. They will either offer better value, or better performance, but not both.
 
Mchart said:
It is highly unlikely AMD is going to offer anything remotely near performance of a 3090 or even 3080. If you know you want a 3090 waiting for AMD is kind of useless. Nvidia priced the 3070 at that price-point for a reason. Everything else above it AMD likely won't be able to come near.
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Well you can infer what you want from this:
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tybert7 said:
People are getting confused with the comparisons of the 3080 to the 2080, compared to the 2080ti it will not be as large a jump.
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Not sure what the point is here or who you believe is confused. The new $699 card being compared to the previous $699 card is the logical apples to apples comparison.

No kidding the jump is smaller when comparing the new $699 card to the old >$1200< card.

GET OUT OF MY OFFICE
 
5150Joker said:
Lol those guys are going to regret selling them that cheap.
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Agreed. The first 3-4 months after the 3000 series releases these cards will be worth more than $450 when people realize they likely won't be able to get the new cards until after the holidays and want to play Cyberpunk/AC:Valhalla/etc

Reminds me of this -

 
cybereality said:
$450, really? I mean, on one hand that sucks, but on the other hand, it's what everyone wanted.
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I would be VERY weary of scams right now, and people *pretending* to be panic-selling. The true resale value of 2080 Ti in terms of dollars-per-performance won't fall so quickly.
 
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tybert7 said:
moore's law is dead guy disagrees with you



big navi is double the die size of their current chips, if they made zero performance per watt improvements and just doubled performance linearly with twice the die size, and taking into account that some gpu components on die won't need to be duplicated and more space can be used to add performance increasing components, that should put it ahead of a 2080ti. And tsmc's 7nm is still more dense and efficient than samsungs best nodes which is what nvidia is using.

People are getting confused with the comparisons of the 3080 to the 2080, compared to the 2080ti it will not be as large a jump.

I think there is a very good chance big navi matches or bests the 3080. And to hit back, nvidia can just release a 3090 with 12GB of vram instead to stave them off for less money and move the 3080 price down a hundred bucks.

But... we'll see.
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MLID claimed the Ampere would have 4X the Ray Tracing performance, and it would have DLSS 3.0 that worked on every game that had TAA (which is every game these days).

IOW his track record is not so good.

If you doubled 5700 XT. It's performance would be similar to 3080, but it would consume 450 watts, so you would need to back off on the performance to keep power in line.

As far as density. Kopite7kimi says GA102 is 627mm2 and NVidia says it has 28 Billion Transistors.

That is 45 Million Transistors/mm2

Navi is 10.3B/251mm2 = 41 Million Transistors/mm2, so GA102 is more dense.

AMDs work just got harder.
 
Damn! My 1080 has served me well these last 2 years but damn I wanna see Ray tracing
 
Revenant_Knight said:
Has anyone seen any partner models in the 10.5 inch territory yet? Everything I've seen is pushing triple fans and too big for my SFF Cerberus X. I'm limited to the size of a Founders 2080.
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Lol, my mITX fits a 310mm card, full size ATX PSU and 360mm water of water cooling... and it's 10.1 liters. WTF did they do with 19 liters that you can't even fit a full size GPU???

Anyways, on topic, the 3080 seems like it's going to be a sweet spot for most. Guess we'll see how stock holds up!
 
Mchart said:
The benchmarks i've seen are with raytracing enabled. So the 3070 is faster with RTX enabled, but in normal raster performance I think the 2080ti is still faster. The big performance improvement here is on the raytracing side, with another 20-30% bump in raster. So on the RTX side the older cards will be obsolete fast, but not on the normal raster side.
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No, Raster is plenty fast on 3XXX too.

 
TMCM said:
Damn! My 1080 has served me well these last 2 years but damn I wanna see Ray tracing
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While RT is nice, that shouldn't be your primary reason to buy it, if anything rasterization still matters but it does looks like Ampere will deliver that too.
 
Any word on which AIBs are offering 3080s with greater than 10gb ram? Also Nvidia is seriously price gouging my region compared to the US RRP, hopefully Amazon gets plenty of stock.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Any word on which AIBs are offering 3080s with greater than 10gb ram? Also Nvidia is seriously price gouging my region compared to the US RRP, hopefully Amazon gets plenty of stock.
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None have gone public yet.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Any word on which AIBs are offering 3080s with greater than 10gb ram? Also Nvidia is seriously price gouging my region compared to the US RRP, hopefully Amazon gets plenty of stock.
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No, still a rumor.

I often wondered why we haven't seen optional RAM doubled cards before now. There would be a market for 16GB cards, and probably a nice markup and margin.

NVidia and AMD must forbid it.
 
Snowdog said:
No, still a rumor.

I often wondered why we haven't seen optional RAM doubled cards before now. There would be a market for 16GB cards, and probably a nice markup and margin.

NVidia and AMD must forbid it.
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Well I would certainly prefer an upgrade in available ram compared to what I currently have on my 1080ti rather than a downgrade, particularly given the shift towards gaming at 4K resolutions.
 
Snowdog said:
I often wondered why we haven't seen optional RAM doubled cards before now.
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Oh we have. It used to be how the market was segmented. I suggest to you that we are seeing an attempt to return to that. There is a lot of buyer data that suggests that still today there are advantages to sales outside the hardcore enthusiast market based on VRAM amounts.
 
GotNoRice said:
Or maybe they just re-named their product stack and increased prices.

3080 for $699 would have been the 3070
3070 for $499 would have been the 3060
3090 for $1499 would have been the 3080

We'll probably get a 3090Ti for like $2500 - $3000

They played the name shift game and now people say prices are cheaper? Gullible much?
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What on earth are you talking about?

The prices are fine, far more reasonable than the past two generations of nVidia cards. Case in point 3070, faster than a 2080ti (according to Jensen) at half the cost of the 2080ti.
 
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