It is cute that you think that. If everything is true. We are looking at at least a 50% performance bump from a 2080ti. Nvidia knows they will sell every 3090 they can produce at $1400+. So why well it for any less. They have a entire team that their job is to research the market and find 2hat people be willing to pay. $1400 going to be a tough sell for me but if the performance is there I will be buying it and putting it under water.
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no no its not me hahaha
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This is one of the many reasons to which I was alluding. nV knows it has a short window before Big Navi comes where they can gobble up early adopters in the second tier spot i.e. 3080 and charge a premium. In rudimentary investing parlence, they have a month or two to sell high.
For 3090, they've tested the ultra high-end market and know it will bear higher prices.
In summary, Sept and October are going to be springtime for nVidia, winter for enthusiasts on pricing. I have a hunch a lot of us will be spitting out our coffee in incredulity when prices are announced.
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So what was the big breakthrough in gaming in the year 1999??
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Geforce 256 (first in the Geforce line), launched Aug 31 1999. Mine was a monster at playing the Jedi Knight series.
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gpu prices will continue to rise up until the only reasonable way for a regular customer to attain them is through fraud
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More aib leaks with specs.
https://videocardz.com/newz/gainward-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-phoenix-leaked-specs-confirmed
https://videocardz.com/newz/gainward-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-phoenix-leaked-specs-confirmed
the world is different now...recession, pandemic, COVID-19...
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Not for most of the <5%, and not for others with aberrant budget priorities.
If you think prices will go down on anything retail due to ressession when currency is literally and virtually being manufactured on overdrive, you're in for some pain.
Yep for many people working from home the pandemic is actually saving them money.
Also, it's understandable that people complain about price increases over time but in the end $1500 is NOT a lot of money. Graphics cards are cheap compared to all the other crap people spend money on.
News Flash: millionaires aren't the ones buying high end GPU's...they could care less...rich people do not care at all about the latest flagship GPU...the people buying 3090's and 3080's are everyday average Joe's and minimum wage earners...and those people do care about a recession and pandemic
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$1500 and increasing, "every 2 years".
Games are $50+ each.
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I care about high end GPUs, as well as a few other folks here I know fit into that category
The "Average Jane/Joe" is the other group to whom I was referring who will buy high end GPUs at any cost. Although I'd be surprised minimum wage earners are buying a $800-1500 video game toy. If that's the case, that person should have a long, hard look at decisions.
that's exactly my point...who do you think the majority of PC video game players are?...do you think it's the 5% millionaire class or super wealthy with yachts and million dollar homes?...no, not a chance...of course there will be be some but I'm talking about the average...it's the guy making $35,000 a year working at Best Buy or the guy making $50,000 a year as an administrative assistant or the guy working at FedEx etc
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Consumer spending was up again last month. If those people want to spend all their income, then that's their choice. The high prices are dumb IMO, but I choose not to pay the price for them since I don't see the value. There are other cards with prices that make more sense to me, so I'll continue buying those instead.
you don't need to be a millionaire or wealthy to buy a 3090 was my point...you can make minimum wage as a single person and easily afford a 3090...or make $35,000 a year and $1400 for a GPU is nothing especially if you're a hard core gamer...the guy above was talking about the elite 5% being the ones that get flagship GPU's and that couldn't be further from the truth...do you think Jeff Bezos is waiting to buy a 3090 Founders Edition?
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The middleclass can’t take their $10-20k yearly vacation... they’re stuck at home with all this money to burn.
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Also don't forget many places are offering 6-12 month 0% financing on hardware. I don't think Nvidia will have an issue selling 3090's at >$1200.
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You guys are getting off-topic again.
I'm very interested to read on how long 3090 actually is. because in my case I can only get a 31cm (12.2") 2 slot card.
I could get a 3 slot but that means I have to remove my Soundblaster Zx sound card. Hopefully some 2 slot, 30cm/12" cards come out so I don't need to buy a new case.
I quite like my current one (Phanteks Enthoo Evolv with Tempered Glass sides).
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FE is according to Hexus 310mm long, that puts it just about the limit of my case.
I'm very interested to read on how long 3090 actually is. because in my case I can only get a 31cm (12.2") 2 slot card.
I could get a 3 slot but that means I have to remove my Soundblaster Zx sound card. Hopefully some 2 slot, 30cm/12" cards come out so I don't need to buy a new case.
I quite like my current one (Phanteks Enthoo Evolv with Tempered Glass sides).
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FE is according to Hexus 310mm long, that puts it just about the limit of my case.
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Another card reveal. An interesting bit is the card does something similar to the novel new NVidia FE design, open heatsink with air flowing through card. A few cards have done this before without much fanfare:
" The PCB however is much shorter than the cooler and the third fan pushes the air through the exposed heatsink. "
This is effectively the same as the new NVidia cooler with the fan on the back pulling air through. Which really make me wonder if having the fan on the back is nothing more than marketing. Fan on the back pulling or on front pushing, does the same thing. But a fan on the back looks really different.
https://videocardz.com/newz/gainward-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-phoenix-leaked-specs-confirmed
" The PCB however is much shorter than the cooler and the third fan pushes the air through the exposed heatsink. "
This is effectively the same as the new NVidia cooler with the fan on the back pulling air through. Which really make me wonder if having the fan on the back is nothing more than marketing. Fan on the back pulling or on front pushing, does the same thing. But a fan on the back looks really different.
https://videocardz.com/newz/gainward-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-phoenix-leaked-specs-confirmed
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Personally I just want it to hit the shelves so I can scoop up a 2080 TI for cheap here. You know people are going to start dumping 2080 Tis at competitive pricing points to get the latest and greatest 3090. I always buy one generation back. Call me the old cheap man. In my 40s now and can't justify dropping over $1000 on a GPU. Old age I guess.
It’s the opposite for me. As I get older I hold on to hardware much longer so I’m more willing to splurge when I do upgrade.
Covid 19 has certainly hit a lot of people hard, but there are others whom it has not hit very hard. I’m busier than ever, most of my clients are busier than ever. The housing market is booming which means the mortgage market is booming. The stock market has regained all its losses and then some from earlier this year. There’s people who got a $1200 stimulus check that didn’t lose a dime due to Covid. Then there are those who lost their jobs and made more money off expanded unemployment benefits. Covid has been a nice windfall for Uber drivers.
My point is, there’s still PLENTY of people out there who can easily afford a $1400 3090. Most people who have been financially devastated by the pandemic aren’t looking at GPUs regardless of price. These WILL be expensive and they WILL sell out just as easily as the releases that came before.
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Yeah, 2080Ti did sell, but I seriously doubt it sold as well as the previous-gen top tier gaming cards.
When 2080Ti was released, there was no competition. The consoles were 5 years old. AMD had nothing.
Competition is what drives prices down. This time around we're seeing a lot more stuff going on.
New consoles which happen to be pretty damn powerful. AMD about to release the big Navi. Intel around the corner with their new cards.
There's a chance that Nvidia will try to milk the consumers before AMD/Intel/consoles show up and I expect prices to go up with 3xxx, but I'm skeptical that 3090 will cost $1400. Not if it's <50% faster than 2080Ti.
There's a 50%/50% chance it will cost $1400/$1200.
$1400 because of 24gb VRAM and the new cooler. $1200 because of the competition.
I'm even willing to bet that $1400 is the FE card and $1200 where the custom cards start. But it could go as low as $1100.
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Im over here telling myself I need to wait and not buy or preorder day one, you can wait, while my wife asks if she should order me another strix when she orders her's. She's a converted console gamer that plays on our living room TV with an Xbox controller. Her first purchase was last year's 2080ti and she wanted it without knowing the price just that it would allow her to play ghost recon wildlands @4k. When she heard how much it was it made her flench for a second but she processed it as that's what it costs to have what she wants so be it.
Talking about the coming launch and price rumors she doesn't even flench. My talks with her about wait until we see what AMD releases have pretty much ended with I don't plan on buying AMD so why should I wait? Normally its me persuading her to just buy and not wait so its not helping me wait for AMD talking with her. I truly plan on buying the highest performance under $1200 before taxes(yes I'm willing to pay a tax for a custom card). If I end up ordering Day 1 feel free to roast me over it but more likely my wife talked me into it.
Talking about the coming launch and price rumors she doesn't even flench. My talks with her about wait until we see what AMD releases have pretty much ended with I don't plan on buying AMD so why should I wait? Normally its me persuading her to just buy and not wait so its not helping me wait for AMD talking with her. I truly plan on buying the highest performance under $1200 before taxes(yes I'm willing to pay a tax for a custom card). If I end up ordering Day 1 feel free to roast me over it but more likely my wife talked me into it.
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Not old age, it's called wisdom: buy for your requirements. 2080 ti is still a honking good card and will remain so after Ampere and Navi2.
Having a spanking new 3080 or 3090 is great, but do you really need a shiny Ferrari when a Mustang is just as fun and you only have 1 mile of road to drive on.
Prices may be lowered at some point in Q1, but all that other "stuff going on" is not happening until November or later. Nvidia is going to capitalize as much as possible before then, and they know that other stuff won't affect sales in the ultra high-end if 3090 is a performance leader, which it sounds like it will be.
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Why are your choices 3090 or bust basically? Have you been following the developer rumors on console's? They are struggling with raytracing and meeting 4k60 isn't as easy as they portrayed it would be. I'm sure you just buying a 70 or 80 series next gen equivalent will give you a better experience. If you just want a laptop and console then go buy that because you statement sounds entitled and illogical.
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I'm in no hurry. Sold my 1080Ti in late April/early May. I have been using integrated GPU since then. I can wait until November. But I have HP Reverb G2 on preorder which should be shipped in October.
If I decide to get a laptop I could save tons of money. I would sell my 4k/120hz screen since a laptop is useless for it anyway and either get something around 32" or just use my 27" 1440p screen I have in my storage.
On top of that, I'm from Europe. In the US, hardware is cheaper. But I have a friend in Texas who could send me one of those Alienware laptops. She already sent me a Dell XPS back in 2017 and it went through the customs at no cost. I would save around €800 on the same specced Alienware if I order it from the US.
But a 3070 [Ti] will likely match it for much less than you will get a used 2080 Ti for anytime soon.
So you can wait yet a little longer for 3070 [Ti].
Basically you can always wait longer for a better deal.
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I don't care about RT.
I want maximum performance for VR supersampling and maxed out 4k/120hz screen, but from a non-Titan card as I find those way too overpriced for what they offer.
Sure I could get a 3080, but I want to be able to boost the VR resolution as much as possible. Therefore, 3090 or bust.
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You want all of that but your alternative is buy a console?
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Yeah. It's a principle. I played quite a few games on my old PS4 Pro and liked it. Diablo is a big deal for me. I liked Diablo 3 better on PS than my PC.
The only thing I will miss are the MMORPGs. But a 2070 super laptop will play those just fine for a while.
I can do without VR for now, or just wait on next-gen PSVR.
I like the 4k resolution on my PC, but I don't belong to PC Master Race like some of you.
PS4 Pro was great, PS5 won't be worse, it will be in fact better. I'm fine with that.
Any other questions?
lotta idiots on twitter,
I guess if its bust we're in the same realm as my toddler not getting the right paw patrol toy so every toy goes out the window.
I guess if its bust we're in the same realm as my toddler not getting the right paw patrol toy so every toy goes out the window.
It doesn't seem like a logical one.
It seems to be that if the best GPU card in the world is too expensive, you are giving up on GPU cards, and will switch to consoles...
Thats like saying Bugatti La Voiture Noire is too expensive, so you are giving up on cars and switching to a bicycle.
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Sounds like you should F5 it on day one and get it over with. Better than dealing with the months of super-sold out/inflated/scalpers.
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What?
I can afford $1400 3090.
Shit, here in Europe it WILL end up costing around $2000 considering 2080Ti Strix is still around $1700 (MSRP $999 LOL).
Again, doesn't sound that way. It sounds like you really want a 3090, and are just being spiteful because of pricing.