RTX 3xxx performance speculation

5150Joker said:
The more and more I read about the 3090, the less excited I get. It just comes off as a power hungry monster nvidia had to build to keep its raster performance above Navi 2. I’m more eager to find out how Navi 2 performs, how large it will be, power consumption and most importantly cost..
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rumors have Big Navi barely beating a 2080Ti so I don't think Ampere was needed to push it past AMD...but since barely any info has leaked about AMD's RT implementation I am very curious about it...everyone pretty much knows all the important details about Ampere but almost nothing is known about Big Navi in terms of ray tracing, DLSS equivalent etc...it'll definitely be less power hungry and cheaper...if they can add ray-tracing at a relatively reasonable price it could be very tempting
 
polonyc2 said:
rumors have Big Navi barely beating a 2080Ti so I don't think Ampere was needed to push it past AMD...but since barely any info has leaked about AMD's RT implementation I am very curious about it...everyone pretty much knows all the important details about Ampere but almost nothing is known about Big Navi in terms of ray tracing, DLSS equivalent etc...it'll definitely be less power hungry and cheaper...if they can add ray-tracing at a relatively reasonable price it could be very tempting
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If it beats or keeps up with a 2080ti and is way cheaper, then it might be a good buy for people who do not need/want RT.
 
polonyc2 said:
rumors have Big Navi barely beating a 2080Ti so I don't think Ampere was needed to push it past AMD...but since barely any info has leaked about AMD's RT implementation I am very curious about it...everyone pretty much knows all the important details about Ampere but almost nothing is known about Big Navi in terms of ray tracing, DLSS equivalent etc...it'll definitely be less power hungry and cheaper...if they can add ray-tracing at a relatively reasonable price it could be very tempting
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I don't see how that could be considering the APU in Xbox can theoretically keep up with a 2080/2080 Super. So if you even take a 5700XT and double that performance, you're looking at a substantial boost over 2080 Ti.
 
TheFPSreview has a news story up about rumored/leaked specs for the 30 series GPU's.

Who knows if it is accurate but if it is, lets do a little hypothetical.

If this is accurate and we are extreme pessimists, and assume that Ampere has the same performance per core per clock as Turing (which is unlikely), then we get:

(5248x1695)/(4352x1545)=1.323

So if this rumor is accurate, the absolute minimum performance increase for the 3090 over the 2080ti is 32.3%, with every increase in so called "instructions per clock" only increasing that figure.

Time will tell, but if this is accurate, it would seem that 32.2% is the absolute minimum increase we will see with the 3090, as I don't think we've ever seen per core per clock go backwards generation over generation.
 
polonyc2 said:
...but since barely any info has leaked about AMD's RT implementation I am very curious about it...everyone pretty much knows all the important details about Ampere but almost nothing is known about Big Navi in terms of ray tracing, DLSS equivalent etc..
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Meh, RT is for marketing people. Real world gaming will be dominated by raster performance for generations to come.
 
FrgMstr said:
Widespread RT adoption is still 10 years away. It is really just a checkbox currently.
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That is of course unless on Sept 1st a leather jacketed Huang and his hoard of minions unleash their cracker jack box miracle toy surprise concerning their biggest breakthrough in PC gaming since 1999! :rolleyes:

I personally think it will be more a "buy more and save" sales pitch geared towards their 3090 offering... Still, if they deliver a hefty dose of the performance goods over the 2080Ti as expected, I'll bite.
 
Supercharged_Z06 said:
That is of course unless on Sept 1st a leather jacketed Huang and his hoard of minions unleash their cracker jack box miracle toy surprise concerning their biggest breakthrough in PC gaming since 1999! :rolleyes:

I personally think it will be more a "buy more and save" sales pitch geared towards their 3090 offering... Still, if they deliver a hefty dose of the performance goods over the 2080Ti as expected, I'll bite.
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Something like this from two years ago? This may be a few months out of date...

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And that Slide was updated here is the launch day slide to make sure we are on the right page here. I think the last row above was committed to after launch.

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5150Joker said:
Careful with that image, some people will have a stroke when confronted with reality. Should mark it NSFW with a spoiler for safety reasons.
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Hehe. It is what it is. Is the industry moving that way? Yes. Is there going to be any truly meaningful investments realized with RT gaming on the PC in the near future? I don't think so.

From a personal standpoint, I owned personally 3 RTX 2080 Ti cards. I think the only RT games that have been played on any of those are Quake and Minecraft. I don't play any RT games, my son does not play any RT games, and neither does my daughter. Maybe we will get a couple that appeal to us that are up our alley in the next few years. Atomic Heart would catch my eye for sure. However raster gameplay is going to be where you want to spend your money for the next generation of GPUs in my opinion.
 
FrgMstr said:
Hehe. It is what it is. Is the industry moving that way? Yes. Is there going to be any truly meaningful investments realized with RT gaming on the PC in the near future? I don't think so.

From a personal standpoint, I owned personally 3 RTX 2080 Ti cards. I think the only RT games that have been played on any of those are Quake and Minecraft. I don't play any RT games, my son does not play any RT games, and neither does my daughter. Maybe we will get a couple that appeal to us that are up our alley in the next few years. Atomic Heart would catch my eye for sure. However raster gameplay is going to be where you want to spend your money for the next generation of GPUs in my opinion.
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I don't disagree. However, you have to start new tech sometime in hardware before the software will start supporting it.
 
the fact is that some of the biggest games currently have RTX support and that's when first gen prototype RTX were on the market...no one cares about smaller indie titles that were delayed...it's only going to get bigger in 2021+
 
DooKey said:
I don't disagree. However, you have to start new tech sometime in hardware before the software will start supporting it.
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Never said otherwise. I think RT is great and it needs to be worked on assuredly and it is, and has been for years by both AMD and NVIDIA...and apparently Intel. :)
 
FrgMstr said:
Never said otherwise. I think RT is great and it needs to be worked on assuredly and it is, and has been for years by both AMD and NVIDIA...and apparently Intel. :)
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Yep, I can't wait to see what AMD and Intel have to bring to the party!
 
DooKey said:
Let's be honest here. When are games not delayed or features not delivered?
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Let's be honest here, when were you last promised 20+ Ray Tracing games to play on your brand new RTX card and you got pretty much nothing?

Edit: And to be totally honest, Control was pretty much the only game we got out of the 20+ promised that delivered to enthusiasts, for those that like that style of game. The rest were window dressing at best, and a checkbox at worst.
 
FrgMstr said:
Hehe. It is what it is. Is the industry moving that way? Yes. Is there going to be any truly meaningful investments realized with RT gaming on the PC in the near future? I don't think so.

From a personal standpoint, I owned personally 3 RTX 2080 Ti cards. I think the only RT games that have been played on any of those are Quake and Minecraft. I don't play any RT games, my son does not play any RT games, and neither does my daughter. Maybe we will get a couple that appeal to us that are up our alley in the next few years. Atomic Heart would catch my eye for sure. However raster gameplay is going to be where you want to spend your money for the next generation of GPUs in my opinion.
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I agree, at first when I got my 2080 Ti I was a bit optimistic thinking we’d get RT out with DLSS on several top played games but it never came to pass. Control was okay and Quake 2 RT was a nice tech demo but that was the extent of my RT usage.

So I adjusted my expectations as should those when they’re confronted with nvidia marketing on September 1st telling them how great RT is and how they must have it. It’s a great forward looking feature but it won’t be the clincher (or shouldn’t be) when picking a gpu this up coming generation.
 
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FrgMstr said:
Let's be honest here, when were you last promised 20+ Ray Tracing games to play on your brand new RTX card and you got pretty much nothing?
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Well, I've been promised a lot from freakin' gaming developers and video card companies so I figure all of those guys have let me down a bunch. I figure it's par for the course.

With that said I have to agree that RT is underwhelming at the moment...
 
DooKey said:
Well, I've been promised a lot from freakin' gaming developers and video card companies so I figure all of those guys have let me down a bunch. I figure it's par for the course.

With that said I have to agree that RT is underwhelming at the moment...
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Oooo Oooo Ooooo! Let's do DLSS next! When we know DLSS was a friggin MESS. DLSS 2.0, different story....

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There was some rumor recently that showed a 57% increase over the 2080ti by a 3090? If the 3090 will only get 19.5 gbps.... its not worth 1400 gotta be 21 gbps at least.
 
Those leaked power numbers have got to be off. How could you go from 10 to 24 GBs,and 1k extra cores for only 30 watts?
 
Snowdog said:
Videocardz has spec confirmation:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-and-geforce-rtx-3080-specifications-leaked



No real surprises. RTX 3070 only gets 8GB of regular GDDR6, which I speculated earlier, and one more thing:

"The data that we saw clearly mention the 7nm fabrication node. At this time we are unable to confirm if this is indeed true."

You know, for the people building a house of cards stories on top of 8nm Rumors...
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Very close to what was shown by wccftech way back on page 38. I just don't see the 3070 reaching 2080ti levels with 512 GB/s but who knows
 
Prediction: Jensen is going to price the high end Ampere cards a bit lower then expected: $1200 for the 3090 and $700 for the 3080
 
strufa said:
There was some rumor recently that showed a 57% increase over the 2080ti by a 3090? If the 3090 will only get 19.5 gbps.... its not worth 1400 gotta be 21 gbps at least.
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It’s not impossible. Say you get 10% more clock, 10% from arch changes; 25% more cores. That’s a 51% increase.
 
defaultluser said:
Well, if you're right about no compression improvement on Ampere, then I'm right about the 3060 having a 256-bit memory bus. I recall idiots earlier in this thread postulating some GDDR6x-powered 192-bit 3060 wish-mobile :rolleyes:
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I was one of those idiots and still think its true.
https://wccftech.com/zotac-geforce-...orce-rtx-3070-custom-graphics-cards-pictured/

There looks like they could have 8/16 GB versions of the 2070 and 6/12 GB versions of the 2060. It all depends on what your target settings are.
2070 16GB = 1440p Ultra
2070 8GB = 4k high
2060 12GB = 1080p Ultra
2060 6 GB = 1440p high
 
polonyc2 said:
Prediction: Jensen is going to price the high end Ampere cards a bit lower then expected: $1200 for the 3090 and $700 for the 3080
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If Mr leather jacket does that I would buy day 1 and probably go 3090 if it's actually 1200 somewhere.
 
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FrgMstr said:
Hehe. It is what it is. Is the industry moving that way? Yes. Is there going to be any truly meaningful investments realized with RT gaming on the PC in the near future? I don't think so.

From a personal standpoint, I owned personally 3 RTX 2080 Ti cards. I think the only RT games that have been played on any of those are Quake and Minecraft. I don't play any RT games, my son does not play any RT games, and neither does my daughter. Maybe we will get a couple that appeal to us that are up our alley in the next few years. Atomic Heart would catch my eye for sure. However raster gameplay is going to be where you want to spend your money for the next generation of GPUs in my opinion.
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The other problem, IMO, is RT on the fast paced games. I think slow to mid would be much better to showcase RT.
I think the speed of the new cards coming out will also appeal to VR gamers since new HMD's are coming out slowly, but with some good res requirements.
 
Hagrid said:
The other problem, IMO, is RT on the fast paced games. I think slow to mid would be much better to showcase RT.
I think the speed of the new cards coming out will also appeal to VR gamers since new HMD's are coming out slowly, but with some good res requirements.
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Certainly.

Streamer kiddies are already turning all their settings down to minimum to try to get stupid high frame rates and perceived advantages due to less foliage.

Kind of ruins the whole thing if you ask me, but my opinion is neither here nor there. The point is, this is probably not the best target audience for marginal increases in graphical fidelity at an overwhelming frame rate cost.

Games like Ms. Flight Simulator (reportedly RT is coming in a patch?) and single player immersive open world games, however are likely good targets.
 
polonyc2 said:
Prediction: Jensen is going to price the high end Ampere cards a bit lower then expected: $1200 for the 3090 and $700 for the 3080
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Zarathustra[H] said:
Games like Ms. Flight Simulator (reportedly RT is coming in a patch?) and single player immersive open world games, however are likely good targets.
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I have been PC gaming since the early 80's and never bothered to pickup any of the MS Flight Sims as commercial flight seemed so lame. Sims like Red Baron, Aces of the Pacific, A10 Tank killer, IL2, Rise of Flight always took my interest.

How LAME no gun commercial flight is!!!! Welp.....I already got 40 hours into MSFS2020 lmao and looks like I am fucked.....sim is amazeballs! I NEEDZ HP Reverb G2 and 3090 Naoooowwww.
 
polonyc2 said:
Prediction: Jensen is going to price the high end Ampere cards a bit lower then expected: $1200 for the 3090 and $700 for the 3080
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I still won't buy it on day one. I'm going to wait on Navi 2's announcement and then decide. I also want to see AIB 3090s because the FE V shape design doesn't look very friendly for waterblocks.
 
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The more I read, the more disappointed I am. Just like Turing's launch.
Based on current info, I don't want any of these cards. Hoping for pleasant surprises at the reveal.
 
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Iratus said:
The mask not covering his nose is even more of a highlight. YouTube when you’ve got a face / presence for radio is a bit weird.

Fuckin’ makes me sad that so many websites have become unviable and some disgusting guy reading off a webpage gets 125k subscribers.

Really gonna miss Kyle and Brents day 1 reviews this time round. I’m buying one anyway but I’d feel a lot better having them to read while I’m waiting for stuff to start shopping.
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Amen. It's really sad there's a lack of quality reviewers left, and it grates on me that my YouTube suggestions will be full of complete drivel to overlook.

FrgMstr said:
Something like this from two years ago? This may be a few months out of date...

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And that Slide was updated here is the launch day slide to make sure we are on the right page here. I think the last row above was committed to after launch.

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I knew RT was basically unsupported, but that really puts it into perspective -- pathetic. And in the handful of games where RT exists that I've played e.g. TR, Metro Exodus, it adds next to no value to IQ and in-game experience. It's crazy people actually are paying money for what is effectively a phantom feature.
 
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polonyc2 said:
Prediction: Jensen is going to price the high end Ampere cards a bit lower then expected: $1200 for the 3090 and $700 for the 3080
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I appreciate the optimism but that's not happening for many reasons, not in a million years. 3090 will be at or higher than expectations i.e. $1500; 3080 will be $800.
 
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