The Last of Us: Part II

No and no, there are no requirements to have an opinion. That's what user scores are, opinions. Don't trust user scores? Use critic scores
Having an uninformed opinion is fine. But trying to pass it off as buying advice is not. That is the point of having a site like metacritic. no?
It's your loss if you dismiss a game without seeing it. But submitting fake reviews to bring down the score of a game is just plain petty, if not outright evil.

And I'm not saying I don't have opinions on games I never played, but I'm not going on metacritic to vote down Death Stranding because I dislike Kojima games.

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the new Metacritic review system is not necessarily going to make people play the game for 30 hours...it just means people can't post any reviews for the first 2 days or so...so people can still review bomb the game- they just have to wait an extra 2 days...Metacritic should have a 'Verified' badge for people who have actually played the game...anyone can still post but the Verified badge will give more weight to those who actually own the game

Do like me and don't use metacritic, problem solved.
 
Saw this posted the other day and haven't had a chance to watch/listen to it yet. I know Neil addresses the Joel/Jessie swap in the trailer in this interview too.

 
OK, I've just blown my own mind again on the game.

Remember that I said that I couldn't justify Abby torturing Joel. I've just now realized that the game actually proves that it is justifiable using me as an example.
I usually feel bad about mindless killing and violence for the sake of violence in games, but while playing as Ellie in Santa Barbara I wanted to torture every single rattler, and didn't feel bad at all about torturing fat geralt.
And that's just because I thought they hurt Abby, it wasn't even confirmed how badly at that point.
So would I torture and kill the person who killed my father? Absolutely based on that.
I don't think this was an intentional ploy, it can't be, if it was that would be pure genius. I think I'm just reading too much into it.
 
M76, you are spending too much time thinking about the game, mate:D

Nah, it's a pretty thought-provoking game, just like the first one was, as I would still be thinking of that game occasionally even if this game didn't exist. Given that this one is much more divisive, it's considerably more thought-provoking than the first game IMO. This will definitely be one of the games I come back to playing through every year or so like I have previous ND games.
 
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I don't think you need to complete a game to have an opinion on it. At the same time, I don't think you can really develop an opinion on a 25-35 hour game in 20 minutes either.
I chalk all of this up to "that's just the internet." People are under the impression that their opinion matters. Hence "review bombing" for TLOU2 or even restaurants on Yelp from anti-maskers. The key is just to totally disregard 99% user reviews or at least read more than the score.
 
M76, you are spending too much time thinking about the game, mate:D
Yes, why do you think that is? Exactly because it's thought provoking. It's not unique in that as I often get thinking about games I play, for example Detroit Become Human had a similar effect, but not on the same scale. I got over that in a week maybe. This I cannot get over, and I suspected that already when I finished it. I predicted a week, now it's been a month and I still can't let go.
 
Saw this posted the other day and haven't had a chance to watch/listen to it yet. I know Neil addresses the Joel/Jessie swap in the trailer in this interview too.


I watched it, not worth the time IMO. They did not address the Joel/Jessie swap in it BTW. The whole first hour is just about acting and acting school and directing and their past relationship, not very interesting or revealing, to me at least. They start to talk about the actual game only about 65 minutes in, but don't really say anything new. About the only remark that was somewhat interesting is that Neil said that the marketing team had zero influence on the game, they had full creative control. And he revealed a scrapped idea for the story.
Originally the endgame would've played in Mexico, not Santa Barbara, and both Lev and Yara would be dead, and when Ellie helps Abby escape it is Abby who goes into the rattler base to take revenge on their leader
That's about it. And they touched a bit on the hate, and the false narratives out there about the game that were circulating even before the leaks. Nothing new really.
Oh he also said Anita Sarkeesian had zero input on the game or the writing.
And that he's quite an ahole to work with.

That's about my takeway from this 90 minutes.
 
I always thought Santa Barbara was a weird choice for the final area. Mexico (especially Tijuana, which is still on the coast) would have be my choice for a rough town run by a slaver gang. Plus, I don't know if most people would know where it is offhand. "Somewhere in southern California" is the answer most people would give, if that. Not a BAD decision, just one I dunno if I agree with.

Game-wise, I completed my NG+ playthrough and still, honestly, want more. I don't want to sit through the whole thing, but the ability to replay the best encounters is a great way to experience the adrenaline moments. For me the two best gaming moments were Hillcrest (Ellie Day 2) and Hostile Territory (Abby Day 1). Those are the two areas where you're up against a ton of soldiers, the music gets intense, and there are a lot of ways you can approach the encounters. That's also when the game starts to build toward something big happening in both cases, too. Hillcrest, in particular, is probably my favorite action scene from any game in years. Maybe ever.
 


Anyone who can say it with a straight face that this is a bad game, or that the gameplay is boring, should hand in their gamer cards, seriously.

People just want to hate anything that is popular. Most people complaining probably never even played it or never play games period.
 
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Anyone who can say it with a straight face that this is a bad game, or that the gameplay is boring, should hand in their gamer cards, seriously.


Wow. That person is a damn good player. The way they're alternating weapons and hitting those shots is admirable.
 
Wow. That person is a damn good player. The way they're alternating weapons and hitting those shots is admirable.
Yeah it's some pro player, they really make it seem easy. Of course we don't know how many takes it took to record these flawless ones.
 
You're taking criticisms of Lesbian 4 Dead II way too personally, sweetie.

I'm planning to play at proper 60FPS on PS5, hopefully it's possible at launch.
Yeah, right. I'm taking it too personally, not the idiots sending death threats and those who have been trying to kill the game months before release, thinking it's out to end their way of life.
 
Gotta admit I am curious if the PS5 will run this (and Uncharted 4) at 60+fps without having to re-buy some kind of "remastered" versions.
I can see them bundling Uncharted 4 along with Lost Legacy as a new purchase, but TLOU2 is a new game that's unlikely to have anything that substantial coming as DLC.
 
I've been playing throughout this week and I'm just really getting tired of it. Every time I think I'm getting to a turning point or to the end of the game, NOPE, go walk your ass across town. OH, you want that thing? Go down into that HELLHOLE and deal with some infected... FOR 40+ HOURS; at least that's what it has felt like.

In The Last of Us 3, they're going to find out that the infection had mutated and, as a result, is making everyone a lesbian. Mold can be asexual, so it's just a smaller effect of the infection.
 
In The Last of Us 3, they're going to find out that the infection had mutated and, as a result, is making everyone a lesbian. Mold can be asexual, so it's just a smaller effect of the infection.

Oh, found out why you don't like it
 
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Infected (and the infection) were a pretty small part of TLoU2. I'd guess there are 4-5x more normal human foes than infected.
As for all of the lesbian and agenda complaints...:rolleyes:
 
I've been playing throughout this week and I'm just really getting tired of it. Every time I think I'm getting to a turning point or to the end of the game, NOPE, go walk your ass across town. OH, you want that thing? Go down into that HELLHOLE and deal with some infected... FOR 40+ HOURS; at least that's what it has felt like.

How long are your play sessions? This is definitely not a binge game IMO. Too easy to get burned out as you mentioned. For me I set aside about 2 hours each night to play it. It gave me something to look forward to after work and the sessions were short enough where I didn't feel fatigued.
 
Oh, found out why you don't like it
Yes, I've written a letter to MY president about it; he's going to ban lesbian propaganda right after he sets foot in a church on a Sunday morning. Rump 2024. (I prayed to Joel Osteen, 2020 is in the bag and we're prayin' like heck a miracle will keep Rump in office beyond the legal term limits).

I'm mostly pissed that Abby can't crush peoples' heads with those gigantic man arms. I could really use some Resident Evil 5 QTE's to help me take advantage of her melee attacks that I don't think I've been leveling-up.

How long are your play sessions? This is definitely not a binge game IMO. Too easy to get burned out as you mentioned. For me I set aside about 2 hours each night to play it. It gave me something to look forward to after work and the sessions were short enough where I didn't feel fatigued.
Yeah, I typically like to try to play for long stretches when I'm trying to progress the story, but two hours seems to be my limit for tolerating the gameplay and the cycle repeats. I should just watch the cut scenes on YouTube, but I'm a sucker for actually playing the game.
 
How long are your play sessions? This is definitely not a binge game IMO. Too easy to get burned out as you mentioned. For me I set aside about 2 hours each night to play it. It gave me something to look forward to after work and the sessions were short enough where I didn't feel fatigued.
I played it two days straight, then had a few hours left over for the third day. I enjoyed almost every second of it.
 
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Yes, I've written a letter to MY president about it; he's going to ban lesbian propaganda right after he sets foot in a church on a Sunday morning. Rump 2024. (I prayed to Joel Osteen, 2020 is in the bag and we're prayin' like heck a miracle will keep Rump in office beyond the legal term limits).

I always tought he would spontaniously combust when setting foot on holy ground. 🥵
 
I could care less about a lesbian/transgender character but the fact that all anyone is talking about is Abby is not a good thing....the series is about Joel and Ellie...
 
I could care less about a lesbian/transgender character but the fact that all anyone is talking about is Abby is not a good thing....the series is about Joel and Ellie...
It is still very much about Joel and Ellie, the next one however I doubt will be.
The series? There was one game. IDK why do you presume to know what the series is about better than the actual creators.
This is like criticizing Mass Effect 2 for being about Miranda. Mordin, or Jacob instead of some of the OG characters. Or Max Payne 2 for making you play as Mona Sax for a part of it instead of Max.

The fact that people are still talking about it and will continue to talk about it long after ghosts of fukushima shows that it makes people think.
Some are outraged, but I think that has more to do with their own expectations of what the game should be, and their ill concieved notion that it was made with the sole purpose of pissing them off. Instead of valid criticism for what it actually is. Don't be one of those guys.
 
This is TLOU part 2. Joel's in it. Ellie is THE main character. Seems appropriate. Yes, they introduced a couple of other main characters and one of them is a muscular woman. There are multiple Asians, a Jew, and a Mexican, too. Gasp!
Going all-in with Joel again would have just been a retread. Besides, he lived enough for 5 people. From wannabe musician, to construction (and a family), to twenty years of hard living, to multiple crazy ass treks across the country, to life in Jackson. Joel did enough for 5 lifetimes and he apparently doesn't age. There was no need to have him make another epic journey.

As far as playing the game, I usually went in hour-long bursts or 2-hour sessions if my wife didn't have anything planned. If there were particularly intense sections (like Hillcrest or Hostile Territory), I might bail a bit sooner. Occasionally I'd really get sucked in and would end up playing much longer, though.
 
The point is that it wasn't. Whoever thinks that a hundred million dollar game is made with the purpose of annoying them or sending them a political message has some seriously overinflated ego.

This.

It's literally a game about revenge, Nothing political at all. Just cold, hard, bloody revenge, served up by a lesbian. Big woop. If they wanted to make it political, they would of given Ellie rainbow hair, and she would of killed everyone with a farting unicorn stick, and the enemies would of only been white males.
 
The fact that people are still talking about it and will continue to talk about it long after ghosts of fukushima shows that it makes people think.

Ghost of Hiroshima is going to win more end of year awards then LoU2...book it!
 
Ghost of Hiroshima is going to win more end of year awards then LoU2...book it!
It won't change anyone's opinion of the game. If TLOU2 won any the usual suspects would just cry fraud anyway. So what is the point?
I'm not saying Tsutsusima is a bad game, but It plays like AC, it looks like AC, it quacks like AC. If it was exactly the same but made by ubisoft it wouldn't be as glorified, book it!
I see right through the fandom (more like hatedom), it's a rebound for them. We'll show these AAA holes, what's a good game! So we'll praise Tokomak to the moon, even if it's just a cookie cutter ARPG that could easily pass for the next AC instalment, just to stick it to TLOU.
 
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It won't change anyone's opinion of the game. If TLOU2 won any the usual suspects would just cry fraud anyway. So what is the point?
I'm not saying Tsutsusima is a bad game, but It plays like AC, it looks like AC, it quacks like AC. If it was exactly the same but made by ubisoft it wouldn't be as glorified, book it!
I see right through the fandom (more like hatedom), it's a rebound for them. We'll show these AAA holes, what's a good game! So we'll praise Tokomak to the moon, even if it's just a cookie cutter ARPG that could easily pass for the next AC instalment, just to stick it to TLOU.

Maybe Cyberpunk 2077 can get GOTY instead
 
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