New ASUS X570 BIOS Update [02/05/2021] - Version 3405

So wierd how some have issues others none for me the whole 2k bios series has been more stable then any of the 14xx bios i ran before.
 
123Lanoix said:
they changed the way the board trains the ram
Click to expand...

For the worse apparently... wth Asus! Even so they way this thing throws 01, 07, 15, 22 codes is no joke. On the older bios I never saw those codes but now it's a regular sight. /facepalm
 
123Lanoix said:
they changed the way the board trains the ram
Click to expand...

For me i could overclock my ram lol on 2xxx on 14xx i cant i got 3466 stable on 2xxx and almost have 3533 stable i couldnt post past 3200 on the old 1400x bios really wierd.
 
bal3wolf said:
For me i could overclock my ram lol on 2xxx on 14xx i cant i got 3466 stable on 2xxx and almost have 3533 stable i couldnt post past 3200 on the old 1400x bios really wierd.
Click to expand...

What G.Skills have you got? I saw no improvement in ram stability on 2xxx bios' and in fact I get what's more like a downgrade.
 
@thesmokingman

That's complete BS. That's why I'm not jumping on to a new BIOS until the dust settles for a bit. With 2407, it seems like the dust is still swirling around in the air.
 
thesmokingman said:
What do you run your soc voltage at? I don't have to run any extra soc voltage at stock speed but do have to raise to run memory oc'd. I'm also running 4x8gb sticks btw, B-dies though.
Click to expand...
1.1 thats what my setting is set to when i turn on xmp/docp so i just leave it at that.
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
This is why I went Samsung B die for my build. I've had no memory related issues and no issue running the ryzen dram calculator profiles.
Click to expand...

You're lucky, my high end B-Dies take 1.4v to run 3600 speeds with 16-16-16-36 timings (it's rated as 4000 with 19-19-19-39 timings) along with a little boost to SOC. I can't run DRAM calculator speeds at all. I had to go with random timings someone posted here that seem to work.
 
bal3wolf said:
1.1 thats what my setting is set to when i turn on xmp/docp so i just leave it at that.
Click to expand...

Wow. 1.1v on soc and your fclk maybe goes up to 1700 I'm guessing since you're dram only goes up to 3500mhz. On the 3900x, you shouldn't need to touch soc voltage until you start oc'ing the fclk, fabric to past 1800mhz.
 
Last edited:
i might could use less i alway left it set to what xmp set it to which was 1.1 my ram holding me back not flk of cpu i think.
 
thesmokingman said:
For the worse apparently... wth Asus! Even so they way this thing throws 01, 07, 15, 22 codes is no joke. On the older bios I never saw those codes but now it's a regular sight. /facepalm
Click to expand...
Who really knows? The previous bios could have had incorrect values. My 3900X seems to clock better on the 2407 bios. My ram is Hynix CJR 32GB 2 dimms and the timings are right in line with the latest ryzen calculator timings. Once i updated those values from the previous calculator values the reboots went away.
 
New bios out 2602

"ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING BIOS 2602
"Improve system performance and stability
Improve Fan control function
Improve DRAM stability
Update AM4 AGESA combo V2 PI 1.0.8.0
Improve system stability
Improve DRAM performance"

Ya think they were listening?
 
thesmokingman said:
New bios out 2602

"ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING BIOS 2602
"Improve system performance and stability
Improve Fan control function
Improve DRAM stability
Update AM4 AGESA combo V2 PI 1.0.8.0
Improve system stability
Improve DRAM performance"

Ya think they were listening?
Click to expand...

Nice will install this tomorrow.
 
thesmokingman said:
New bios out 2602

"ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING BIOS 2602
"Improve system performance and stability
Improve Fan control function
Improve DRAM stability
Update AM4 AGESA combo V2 PI 1.0.8.0
Improve system stability
Improve DRAM performance"

Ya think they were listening?
Click to expand...

just installed them will post if i have any issues doubt i will sence newer ones been good for me so far.
 
Now I found out why stability on AMD systems with XMP memory is so iffy:

I had this happen with both of the recent BIOSes for my ROG Strix X570-F Gaming motherboard. My memory, when set at the automatic DOCP profile, resulted in random shutdowns and reboots even when my system is idiling. In fact, every single XMP kit that I tried caused these random reboots when set to the automatically-set DOCP values. The reason for this is that some of the timings and resistor block values with every single BIOS version on AMD motherboards had been automatically set to values that were way off of where they were supposed to be. For example, the TRC on my current 64 GB kit was supposed to set itself to 64. But instead, it picked a value of 83. This caused a mismatch between the different timing values.

In other words, every single AMD BIOS translated the XMP memory timings wrong when they are allowed to be automatically set.

Previous BIOS versions up to 2204 seemed more "stable" because they actually severely overvolted the SOC far beyond 1.1V - in fact, all the way to 1.38V! That can, and does, cause major problems down the road.
 
Last edited:
E4g1e said:
Now I found out why stability on AMD systems with XMP memory is so iffy:

I had this happen with both of the recent BIOSes for my ROG Strix X570-F Gaming motherboard. My memory, when set at the automatic DOCP profile, resulted in random shutdowns and reboots even when my system is idiling. In fact, every single XMP kit that I tried caused these random reboots when set to the automatically-set DOCP values. The reason for this is that some of the timings and resistor block values with every single BIOS version on AMD motherboards had been automatically set to values that were way off of where they were supposed to be. For example, the TRC on my current 64 GB kit was supposed to set itself to 64. But instead, it picked a value of 83. This caused a mismatch between the different timing values.

In other words, every single AMD BIOS translated the XMP memory timings wrong when they are allowed to be automatically set.

Previous BIOS versions up to 2204 seemed more "stable" because they actually severely overvolted the SOC far beyond 1.1V - in fact, all the way to 1.38V! That can, and does, cause major problems down the road.
Click to expand...

Interesting find.

On my system I set D.O.C.P on then I use the settings for the Ryzen Dram Calucator for the Fast Profile. Save and reboot then done. After every bios flash I have to redo this natually since you can't use profiles across different bios.
 
E4g1e said:
Now I found out why stability on AMD systems with XMP memory is so iffy:

I had this happen with both of the recent BIOSes for my ROG Strix X570-F Gaming motherboard. My memory, when set at the automatic DOCP profile, resulted in random shutdowns and reboots even when my system is idiling. In fact, every single XMP kit that I tried caused these random reboots when set to the automatically-set DOCP values. The reason for this is that some of the timings and resistor block values with every single BIOS version on AMD motherboards had been automatically set to values that were way off of where they were supposed to be. For example, the TRC on my current 64 GB kit was supposed to set itself to 64. But instead, it picked a value of 83. This caused a mismatch between the different timing values.

In other words, every single AMD BIOS translated the XMP memory timings wrong when they are allowed to be automatically set.

Previous BIOS versions up to 2204 seemed more "stable" because they actually severely overvolted the SOC far beyond 1.1V - in fact, all the way to 1.38V! That can, and does, cause major problems down the road.
Click to expand...

Did you actually confirm this with a meter?

Personally I've never seen soc on auto voltage above 1.1, and that's just 1.1v vid.
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
Nice will install this tomorrow.

Previous BIOS versions up to 2204 seemed more "stable" because they actually severely overvolted the SOC far beyond 1.1V - in fact, all the way to 1.38V! That can, and does, cause major problems down the road.
Click to expand...

Scary and a good reason to upgrade to this new BIOS.
 
Hello guys!

I have some Problems!

I have a Asus Rog Gaming x570-E and everytime i start DOCP my pc crashing in Idle.
In Games or Benchmarks PC is Rock solid..

I have TridentZ Neo 3600 CL16 in 4x8 ddr4

In normal mode pc not crashing in idle, but its random, sometimes 5 minutes sometimes 15 and so on.

I flashed new bios from 8.7.2020 and nothing changed, i had bios version 1407 out of the Box and everything was fine.

I dont know what to do, i spend almost 3k on hard work on my School Holidays in this pc, and it not working properly..
Im from Germany so sorry for eventually bad Englisch..

I tried manually put the TRC on 58 it was on 86 because of the Auto DOCP!

Idle bootloops still there, i managed to take voltage to 1.4 nothing changed..

Im frustrated and Angry, can anyone help me here? U guys are my last Hope.

RAM is from Hynx.

I purchased Neos because of the Stability mentioned for Ryzen..

Cpu 9 3900x on Stock
 
  • Like
Reactions: x509
like this
Its possible that i can get to bios version 1407 with the usb flashback usb tool on my mainboards back?

U guys recommend this? Or should i stay on that newest bios from yesterday?
 
E4g1e said:
Now I found out why stability on AMD systems with XMP memory is so iffy:

I had this happen with both of the recent BIOSes for my ROG Strix X570-F Gaming motherboard. My memory, when set at the automatic DOCP profile, resulted in random shutdowns and reboots even when my system is idiling. In fact, every single XMP kit that I tried caused these random reboots when set to the automatically-set DOCP values. The reason for this is that some of the timings and resistor block values with every single BIOS version on AMD motherboards had been automatically set to values that were way off of where they were supposed to be. For example, the TRC on my current 64 GB kit was supposed to set itself to 64. But instead, it picked a value of 83. This caused a mismatch between the different timing values.

In other words, every single AMD BIOS translated the XMP memory timings wrong when they are allowed to be automatically set.

Previous BIOS versions up to 2204 seemed more "stable" because they actually severely overvolted the SOC far beyond 1.1V - in fact, all the way to 1.38V! That can, and does, cause major problems down the road.
Click to expand...

That's interesting. I'm on BIOS 2407 and the TRV is set to 85 using the DOCP settings. DRAM calculator recommends 50 for the "Safe" mode. Should I leave it as is, try the recently released BIOS version or try changing the TRC manually? My system is currently stable but I would like the RAM to be at its best settings. I'm just afraid of messing something up.
 
Last edited:
GameLifter said:
That's interesting. I'm on BIOS 2407 and the TRV is set to 85 using the DOCP settings. DRAM calculator recommends 50 for the "Safe" mode. Should I leave it as is, try the recently released BIOS version or try changing the TRC manually? My system is currently stable but I would like the RAM to be at its best settings. I'm just afraid of messing somethin gup.
Click to expand...

Whatever your DOCP/XMP settings are they don't equal DRAM Calc's. Not sure why there is the implied notion that they should be the same. That said, if you feel up to it run Dram calc and try those settings.
 
Upgraded to the new 2603 (from 2204) on my TUF Gaming X570-Pus (Wifi). Pulled the battery and shorted the CMOS jumper to be extra thorough. Put in all my memory settings manually (using DRAM Calc fast settings) and booted back into Windows. Ran a TM5 stress test for 1.5 hours without issue. About three hours after that it randomly rebooted while idle. Going to try switching back to D.O.C.P only and see if that helps.
 
HotBBQ said:
Upgraded to the new 2603 (from 2204) on my TUF Gaming X570-Pus (Wifi). Pulled the battery and shorted the CMOS jumper to be extra thorough. Put in all my memory settings manually (using DRAM Calc fast settings) and booted back into Windows. Ran a TM5 stress test for 1.5 hours without issue. About three hours after that it randomly rebooted while idle. Going to try switching back to D.O.C.P only and see if that helps.
Click to expand...

Happened for me too. Idk anymore im half the way to return everything and go back to Intel..
 
HotBBQ said:
Upgraded to the new 2603 (from 2204) on my TUF Gaming X570-Pus (Wifi). Pulled the battery and shorted the CMOS jumper to be extra thorough. Put in all my memory settings manually (using DRAM Calc fast settings) and booted back into Windows. Ran a TM5 stress test for 1.5 hours without issue. About three hours after that it randomly rebooted while idle. Going to try switching back to D.O.C.P only and see if that helps.
Click to expand...

You realize that DRAM calc timings are overclocked right? Stop acting like its guaranteed by AMD to work, especially the fast settings too. C'mon ppl...
 
thesmokingman said:
You realize that DRAM calc timings are overclocked right? Stop acting like its guaranteed by AMD to work, especially the fast settings too. C'mon ppl...
Click to expand...

Let's be honest. I like my AMD rig, but the fact RAM settings are still an issue isn't a good thing. Intel just works with XMP.
 
DooKey said:
Let's be honest. I like my AMD rig, but the fact RAM settings are still an issue isn't a good thing. Intel just works with XMP.
Click to expand...

I don't think that's the issue here. People are acting like their dram calc settings should take just like stock. My issues with the bios are with the changes the Asus team made to the ram checks and the bios to mb issues, not AMD's issues with ram timings as a whole as you are suggesting.
 
thesmokingman said:
I don't think that's the issue here. People are acting like their dram calc settings should take just like stock. My issues with the bios are with the changes the Asus team made to the ram checks and the bios to mb issues, not AMD's issues with ram timings as a whole as you are suggesting.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree with that for the most part However, Asus doesn't have the same problems with Intel chipsets. I'm hoping that AMD fixes the RAM issues overall with the next chipset and Ryzen CPU.
 
thesmokingman said:
I don't think that's the issue here. People are acting like their dram calc settings should take just like stock. My issues with the bios are with the changes the Asus team made to the ram checks and the bios to mb issues, not AMD's issues with ram timings as a whole as you are suggesting.
Click to expand...
I dont even want or using dram calculator. I only want that my TridentZ neos working with docp like they should. Enabling DOCP going back to windows and enjoy my games or browsking. But instead i got random reboots totally random. Sometimes 3 minutes after Windows login screen, sometimes after 15 Minutes. Im starring at my new rig like an idiot to wait till it crashs. That not how i lile to spend my 3k i collected 2 Summers.

Peace
 
thesmokingman said:
You realize that DRAM calc timings are overclocked right? Stop acting like its guaranteed by AMD to work, especially the fast settings too. C'mon ppl...
Click to expand...

I am fully aware the DRAM Calculator timings are "overclocked" and not supported. I am also aware that I have run these overclocked settings without issue for months on previous BIOS versions. I am also aware the folks at G.Skill have guaranteed that my sticks will run at D.O.C.P. settings on an X570 board, which is what I will fall back to. I am merely providing additional context so others can decide to upgrade or not.
 
HotBBQ said:
I am fully aware the DRAM Calculator timings are "overclocked" and not supported. I am also aware that I have run these overclocked settings without issue for months on previous BIOS versions. I am also aware the folks at G.Skill have guaranteed that my sticks will run at D.O.C.P. settings on an X570 board, which is what I will fall back to. I am merely providing additional context so others can decide to upgrade or not.
Click to expand...
So I have Crucial Ballistix memory rated for 3600. My system is ASUS ROG Strix-E with 3900X. (Fulll specs in my .sig.) It has been rock steady for several months now (y) running an old chipset and BIOS, with all stock settings. I'd like to upgrade to the latest BIOS. :cautious: Should I just copy down the memory timings from the old BIOS and chipset and use that as a starting point. Eventually I want to overclock my rig.
 
x509 said:
So I have Crucial Ballistix memory rated for 3600. My system is ASUS ROG Strix-E with 3900X. (Fulll specs in my .sig.) It has been rock steady for several months now (y) running an old chipset and BIOS, with all stock settings. I'd like to upgrade to the latest BIOS. :cautious: Should I just copy down the memory timings from the old BIOS and chipset and use that as a starting point. Eventually I want to overclock my rig.
Click to expand...

almost good to keep a written or screen shot of bios settings or have them memorized before you upgrade your bios for me my rams just worked on every bios and newer ones i got better overclock out of them strange enough.
 
bal3wolf said:
almost good to keep a written or screen shot of bios settings or have them memorized before you upgrade your bios for me my rams just worked on every bios and newer ones i got better overclock out of them strange enough.
Click to expand...
At my age, it's better to have screenshots. :ROFLMAO:
 
if i recal you can do f2 or ctrl f2 on our asus boards to save settings to a text file also, i tend to take pics with my tablet and use it when im ram overclocking or playing with timings so i can look back at them bad memory also lol dang migraines.
 
  • Like
Reactions: x509
like this
thesmokingman said:
Whatever your DOCP/XMP settings are they don't equal DRAM Calc's. Not sure why there is the implied notion that they should be the same. That said, if you feel up to it run Dram calc and try those settings.
Click to expand...
I was taking the "64" value from Thaiphoon Burner's reading of the XMP profile on my memory. My board, at DOCP settings, used 83 instead of 64.

And although the BIOS read 1.1V on the VDDCR SOC, Ryzen Master read it as 1.364V with earlier BIOSes. When manually set to 1.025V, Ryzen Master also reads 1.025V. But setting it manually to 1.05V in the older BIOSes made the Ryzen Master detected reading jump all the way up to 1.364V. That's what worried me.

With the 2407 and the 2603 BIOSes, Ryzen Master read the VDDCR SOC as 1.1V.

And the biggest reason why I went AMD when I upgraded back in December of last year is that Intel did not have anything that was compelling enough for me to purchase given my $300-ish CPU budget. Its 9th-Generation CPUs in that price range did not have hyperthreading at all, so I would have ended up with something that performed no better than my 3.5-year-old quad-core CPU (the Intel i5's) or a cheap 6-core Ryzen CPU (the i7-9700K) for what I primarily use my PC for. In fact, the one CPU that did convince me cost $500 at the time - so expensive that I would have been forced to cut corners everywhere else in my upgrade.
 
E4g1e said:
I was taking the "64" value from Thaiphoon Burner's reading of the XMP profile on my memory. My board, at DOCP settings, used 83 instead of 64.

And although the BIOS read 1.1V on the VDDCR SOC, Ryzen Master read it as 1.364V with earlier BIOSes. When manually set to 1.025V, Ryzen Master also reads 1.025V. But setting it manually to 1.05V in the older BIOSes made the Ryzen Master detected reading jump all the way up to 1.364V. That's what worried me.

With the 2407 and the 2603 BIOSes, Ryzen Master read the VDDCR SOC as 1.1V.

And the biggest reason why I went AMD when I upgraded back in December of last year is that Intel did not have anything that was compelling enough for me to purchase given my $300-ish CPU budget. Its 9th-Generation CPUs in that price range did not have hyperthreading at all, so I would have ended up with something that performed no better than my 3.5-year-old quad-core CPU (the Intel i5's) or a cheap 6-core Ryzen CPU (the i7-9700K) for what I primarily use my PC for. In fact, the one CPU that did convince me cost $500 at the time - so expensive that I would have been forced to cut corners everywhere else in my upgrade.
Click to expand...

I think you have a misconception of the docp setting. It doesn't populate all the sub timings, only the main timings ie. the 4 main timings. You can confirm this by enabling docp then entering the timings and you'll see the timings that are not set are set to auto. From memory my docp only populated the 4 main timings and the rest were auto'd.

Regarding the voltage, there are what's know as bugs, as in the sensor is being read incorrectly by software. We have to use our best judgement to decide whether its real or not. If you were actually running 1.36v on your soc and as yuou implied all those bios's were overvolting everyone's soc, there'd be a lot of dead cpus.
 
Fapsterone said:
Hello guys!

I have some Problems!

I have a Asus Rog Gaming x570-E and everytime i start DOCP my pc crashing in Idle.
In Games or Benchmarks PC is Rock solid..

I have TridentZ Neo 3600 CL16 in 4x8 ddr4

In normal mode pc not crashing in idle, but its random, sometimes 5 minutes sometimes 15 and so on.

I flashed new bios from 8.7.2020 and nothing changed, i had bios version 1407 out of the Box and everything was fine.

I dont know what to do, i spend almost 3k on hard work on my School Holidays in this pc, and it not working properly..
Im from Germany so sorry for eventually bad Englisch..

I tried manually put the TRC on 58 it was on 86 because of the Auto DOCP!

Idle bootloops still there, i managed to take voltage to 1.4 nothing changed..

Im frustrated and Angry, can anyone help me here? U guys are my last Hope.

RAM is from Hynx.

I purchased Neos because of the Stability mentioned for Ryzen..

Cpu 9 3900x on Stock
Click to expand...

I think your main issue is trying to run 4 sticks at 3600 MHz DOCP. Generally speaking, if you want fast RAM speeds you should only use two sticks. You should try adjusting your RAM timings manually to their 3600 specification, then start increasing the speed until you run into an issue. Then begin adjust values one at a time to see what helps and doesn’t. You may find it all runs perfectly fine as a speed just under 3600.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top