RTX 3xxx performance speculation

Two subcontractors responsible for the Founders Edition manufacturing are now under investigation: Foxconn and BYD (Build Your Dreams). It is also said that even NVIDIA product and sales managers have not seen the design yet, which also may or may not be true, but if it is then it just proves how fresh the leak was...

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-cooler-could-cost-up-to-150-usd-alone

Model SKU PCB chip Memory interface TBP Connectors
RTX 3090 Ti/SUPER/TITAN SKU10 PG132 GA102 24 GB GDDR6X 384-bt 350 W. 3x DP, HDMI
NVLink
RTX 3080 Ti/SUPER SKU20 PG132 GA102 11 GB GDDR6X 352-bit 320 W. 3x DP, HDMI
RTX 3080 SKU30 PG132 GA102 10 GB GDDR6X 320-bit 320 W. 3x DP, HDMI
 
lol 3080ti and 3090ti + Titan.
Not wise to split the high end into even higher price tiers during what will be the worlds worst recession in ALL our lifetimes.
Especially when higher price tiers make previous high end cards look mid range.
 
lol 3080ti and 3090ti + Titan.
Not wise to split the high end into even higher price tiers during what will be the worlds worst recession in ALL our lifetimes.
Especially when higher price tiers make previous high end cards look mid range.

That prompted me to look at an indicator and I hope it’s wrong. We had a blip in the industry but stimulus packages could probably make up for it.

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But, one may also argue recessions generally hit the demographic for those tier cards less harshly.
 
Two subcontractors responsible for the Founders Edition manufacturing are now under investigation: Foxconn and BYD (Build Your Dreams). It is also said that even NVIDIA product and sales managers have not seen the design yet, which also may or may not be true, but if it is then it just proves how fresh the leak was...

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-cooler-could-cost-up-to-150-usd-alone

Model SKU PCB chip Memory interface TBP Connectors
RTX 3090 Ti/SUPER/TITAN SKU10 PG132 GA102 24 GB GDDR6X 384-bt 350 W. 3x DP, HDMI
NVLink
RTX 3080 Ti/SUPER SKU20 PG132 GA102 11 GB GDDR6X 352-bit 320 W. 3x DP, HDMI
RTX 3080 SKU30 PG132 GA102 10 GB GDDR6X 320-bit 320 W. 3x DP, HDMI

If the cooler is going to cost $150 alone then we may be looking at very high prices once again. Not like it'll be a huge surprise or anything.
 
Well maybe the LUXURY item will come with a free game like Turing, instead of Space Invaders, Asteroids.

Price will have to compete with AMD heavy.
 
Well maybe the LUXURY item will come with a free game like Turing, instead of Space Invaders, Asteroids.

Price will have to compete with AMD heavy.

Only if AMD delivers on performance...the last few generations NVIDIA has been competing at the top with it self...and do you ignore (on purpose) this?:
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The prices will most likely not be to your liking...but then again, we are talking about a LUXURY hobby.
 
Indeed. Knowing me I'll get a 3080 anyway.

I will most likely build a new PC.
Been eyeing Cyberpunk 2017 for a long time...seems like a good time to go all new CPU, GPU, Mobo ect.
(And try to not go for an Ampere Titan...but I would rather upgrade each gen)

But still less pricy than a lot of other hobbies....just seems some people want their luxury hobby for free ;)
 
I will most likely build a new PC.
Been eyeing Cyberpunk 2017 for a long time...seems like a good time to go all new CPU, GPU, Mobo ect.
(And try to not go for an Ampere Titan...but I would rather upgrade each gen)

But still less pricy than a lot of other hobbies....just seems some people want their luxury hobby for free ;)

I'm looking to build a new PC as well. I'm still using an i7 3770K and I'm itching to upgrade. I'm waiting to see what Zen 3 has to offer then from there I could get one or get a good deal on a Zen 2 CPU. I could even use my current 2080Ti in the new build for a while until I'm ready to get the 3080 or RDNA2 card if it delivers.
 
Only if AMD delivers on performance...the last few generations NVIDIA has been competing at the top with it self...and do you ignore (on purpose) this?:
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The prices will most likely not be to your liking...but then again, we are talking about a LUXURY hobby.

Exactly. I'll be getting a 3000 series card. It's just a matter of which version which will depend on the price and performance of each of them. And I'm not the only one.
AMD doesn't have a top end card and is irrelevant to that decision.
 
It's nonsense. I don't think we'll see a mainstream card with 24GB memory yet. It will most likely be the Titan, since the RTX Titan has 24GB GDDR6 on it.

That's what I thought. Unless it's one of those dual gpu on one pcb old style thingies which it probably isn't considering it's only some 20-30W higher consumption.
 
That prompted me to look at an indicator and I hope it’s wrong. We had a blip in the industry but stimulus packages could probably make up for it.

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But, one may also argue recessions generally hit the demographic for those tier cards less harshly.
Thanks for letting me know of the Sahm Rule, hadnt come across that.
Reports on BBC news today say a worldwide recession of over 6% is likely, taking account of stimulus packages.
It wont hit home for a while but its gonna be bad.
UK is one of the worst hit, not quite so bad in the US but still terrible.
 
Only if AMD delivers on performance...the last few generations NVIDIA has been competing at the top with it self...and do you ignore (on purpose) this?:
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The prices will most likely not be to your liking...but then again, we are talking about a LUXURY hobby.
Good grief! Nvidia on the 12nm (16nm optimized) processed already pushed pricing way up over previous. If Nvidia goes big die again at 7nm, are they going to push further insane pricing? Ampere may perform well but at the same time be totally not worth it for most enthusiast where you can get 80%-110% performance from AMD. AMD has been conservative on CPU performance numbers, IPC last three CPU launches and they panned out, if AMD is telling the truth with RNDA2, that would mean a 50% performance for same power over RNDA. Will be very interesting and mostly on who can deliver the better value if not much better value. Personally I will probably buy several cards from both vendors if they are good.
 
Good grief! Nvidia on the 12nm (16nm optimized) processed already pushed pricing way up over previous. If Nvidia goes big die again at 7nm, are they going to push further insane pricing? Ampere may perform well but at the same time be totally not worth it for most enthusiast where you can get 80%-110% performance from AMD. AMD has been conservative on CPU performance numbers, IPC last three CPU launches and they panned out, if AMD is telling the truth with RNDA2, that would mean a 50% performance for same power over RNDA. Will be very interesting and mostly on who can deliver the better value if not much better value. Personally I will probably buy several cards from both vendors if they are good.
Gate cost includes features and optimization at both the software and hardware level. Path tracing on Turing threw a big curve into that trend, which is why relative cost increased compared to AMD. This chart tracking trends from 2014 is surprisingly accurate. Implementation costs are expected to nearly double again as we approach 3nm.

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Stuff to chew on:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/272096-3nm-process-node
https://semiengineering.com/big-trouble-at-3nm/
https://www.icknowledge.com/news/Technology and Cost Trends at Advanced Nodes - Revised.pdf

So things are tracking to get worse if we want to continue seeing 30-40% jumps in performance between generations unless something better is found. Again, this is not NVIDIA being greedy or having no competition. If AMD made a chip as big as NVIDIA I'd bet it would be right up there in the $1,000 USD price range.
 
Gate cost includes features and optimization at both the software and hardware level. Path tracing on Turing threw a big curve into that trend, which is why relative cost increased compared to AMD. This chart tracking trends from 2014 is surprisingly accurate. Implementation costs are expected to nearly double again as we approach 3nm.

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Stuff to chew on:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/272096-3nm-process-node
https://semiengineering.com/big-trouble-at-3nm/
https://www.icknowledge.com/news/Technology and Cost Trends at Advanced Nodes - Revised.pdf

So things are tracking to get worse if we want to continue seeing 30-40% jumps in performance between generations unless something better is found. Again, this is not NVIDIA being greedy or having no competition. If AMD made a chip as big as NVIDIA I'd bet it would be right up there in the $1,000 USD price range.
Yes, I am well aware of increase costs on nodes. Nvidia did not make a significant node change with Turing and had a huge price hike. Which I think is mainly due to the much larger size in chip size. Now if Nvidia keeps the same sized chips with 7nm, that would just seem either way higher prices or they will reduce their profit margin.

Now what runs through my mind dealing with rumors (not taking these serious but think only), Nvidia increasing clocks, radical redesign of cooling and looks like the board with two sided cooled components as in GPU one side, VRM/RAM on other as an example almost indicate to me they are worried about AMD. They would not have to really push this if they felt comfortably ahead (just thoughts). Next thought remind me of Fermi and and the FX5800 era on when Nvidia did some cooling modifications to get better numbers. I love Nvidia competitive nature on hardware, hate their marketing in general, love their well written software type articles -> basically a company you can hate and love at the same time in other words.

How all this ends up will play out. Nvidia also normally has excellent/better software support while AMD over time shows better what their hardware is capable of after a few years which is not exactly what people want. Fun time.
 
How all this ends up will play out. Nvidia also normally has excellent/better software support while AMD over time shows better what their hardware is capable of after a few years which is not exactly what people want. Fun time.

I don't know why everyone equates the fine wine theory to better hardware and not just sloppy software, as well the last I looked at it, both manufacturers improve performance with drivers over time, its just that nVidia typically starts stronger than AMD in both hardware and software (pricing aside).
 
I don't know why everyone equates the fine wine theory to better hardware and not just sloppy software, as well the last I looked at it, both manufacturers improve performance with drivers over time, its just that nVidia typically starts stronger than AMD in both hardware and software (pricing aside).

BINGO. Only ignorant people think "fine wine" is real. [H] disproved this before it went extinct.
 
I don't know why everyone equates the fine wine theory to better hardware and not just sloppy software, as well the last I looked at it, both manufacturers improve performance with drivers over time, its just that nVidia typically starts stronger than AMD in both hardware and software (pricing aside).
To go along with that, the theory that NVIDIA is purposefully gimping past cards in newer driver releases, even though they are simply not making anymore optimizations and the card had already reached its peak anyway. Flat or little improvement does not mean "gimping."
 
I don't know why everyone equates the fine wine theory to better hardware and not just sloppy software, as well the last I looked at it, both manufacturers improve performance with drivers over time, its just that nVidia typically starts stronger than AMD in both hardware and software (pricing aside).

I still remember when the first major driver update to the 7970 came out when I had the 680 which put the 7970 ahead overall. I was still happy with my purchase of the 680 but it was frustrating that AMD couldn't get that performance out of the 7970 at launch. I'm always going to buy GPUs based on how they perform in the games I want to play in the present.
 
I think the bigger problem is that Quake RTX is apparently the benchmark for this card? Where is the killer app that makes this card even necessary. Every generation has one. Whatever it is, it isn’t on my radar screen.

Also, watch out for the lower cards with less VRAM. I learned from the 980 that it doesn’t matter how much power your card has (I had 2 in SLI) if you run out of VRAM to engage the features you want! How much VRAM is really needed? Putting 10 on a 3080 when you really need 11 is a good way to ensure people need upgrade in two years.
 
I think the bigger problem is that Quake RTX is apparently the benchmark for this card?
It's a good synthetic benchmark, in that it hits the RT hardware, yet isn't representative of a real-world load.

Where is the killer app that makes this card even necessary. Every generation has one.
While I appreciate the perspective, that's much less the case these days. While RT represents a bit of an upgrade impetus, it simply cannot be 'necessary' in the real world where developers expect to actually make money. Games have to run on lower-end hardware.

Also, watch out for the lower cards with less VRAM. I learned from the 980 that it doesn’t matter how much power your card has (I had 2 in SLI) if you run out of VRAM to engage the features you want!
I have a GTX970 in current use; I had two. Mostly? I just turned down settings. Still do. It still runs great, including relatively current games. This is something that neither we nor Nvidia (or anyone else) can really predict. Also note that 4GB of VRAM is stillI extremely common.
 
Honestly, yes, these cards are expensive but at the end of the day it's only money. I hate ... HATE to see people priced out of something as pretty awesome as what these new cards will offer in terms of mind bending amazing peformance. Speaking to performance, we should finally, possibly see enough performance to push 4K @ 120hz at high / ultra settings.

My logic is always to try and reason with others right before these new cards up on how to go about getting one. Mostly I just tell people to sell old hardware NOW ... go thru everything in their rooms, office, closet, etc and start selling stuff to gather funds. I know that might make some of you roll your eyes but it really is a great way to afford one of these beasts.

If you have a Microcenter near you, you can always get extended warranties on hardware as well that will allow you to exchange, return, refund if there are issues with you hardware ( video card in this case ) I've spoken to the guys and they are fairly laidback with the reasons in which you can return these things for.
 
LOL 3090 Ti, this is getting silly, maybe they created the SKU because Navi 2x is better than they thought it would be? Guess we'll find out very soon. Either way I'm pretty excited, I need to decide if I'm going to keep this 9900k or spend the cash and get the new Ryzen and hold on to the 2080 Ti a bit longer until the Ampere refresh releases..hmm...
 
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