Windows 10's next major update for 2021 codenamed Iron (Fe) 1-c

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I'm still waiting for Windows 10 2004, i'm stuck on 1909 .. what's the deal?

"Windows 10 21H1 which is also known as Windows 10 Iron (Fe) is the first big update of 2021 for Microsoft's flagship OS, and it should sport Start menu improvements, and more. Microsoft first teased the new Start menu and parts of a refreshed UI a couple of months ago that moved away from Live Tiles.

If you're a Fast ring insider then you're going to get access to Windows 10 2021 codenamed Iron (Fe) in June 2020, which is just weeks away. The news came directly from an official Microsoft blog, but it was quickly edited -- with the codename of the new Windows 10 21H1 removed.

Microsoft will push out Windows 10 version 2004 in the coming weeks, while a second update '20H2' expected after that. The Start menu changes and refreshed UI won't make it into the public version of Windows 10 until the first half of 2020 with Windows 10 21H1."

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7272...-update-for-2021-codenamed-iron-fe/index.html
 
I am not surprised Live Tiles are going away, they have not really been used in any useful way in quite some time, anyways. However, I figured we would already have posts figuring tiles would go away completely. :D
 
Maybe they'll figure out how to make search a not completely fucking broken pile of shit finally.

Love how CMD matches "terminal" instead of "Windows Terminal" but somehow "termina" works because why the fuck not
 
I don't mind Live Tiles when apps actually use them intelligently. For instance, I like have weather, calendar appointments, and new emails at a glance. I'll honestly be a little annoyed if they do away with that functionality. Trick is, most apps don't need to show anything like that. Those are the ones that just cycle pointless info or nothing at all.
 
wyqtor said:
How about bringing back the Control Panel as it was, or at least mirroring there everything found in the Settings window, instead of having disjointed settings all over the place?
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click search type "control panel" its still there and basically the same as it always was.
 
socK said:
Maybe they'll figure out how to make search a not completely fucking broken pile of shit finally.
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Search Everything by voidtools - programmed by one guy - and it's instant realtime results as you type really makes me wonder how a trillion dollar corporation cannot get it's act together with Windows built in search.
 
I used to enjoy lives tiles. However, once they killed off Windows Mobile and did not include a setting in Windows to open the full screen start menu at startup, they became completely useless to me. Tiles are fine and I pin all my games to the full screen start menu.
 
socK said:
Maybe they'll figure out how to make search a not completely fucking broken pile of shit finally.

Love how CMD matches "terminal" instead of "Windows Terminal" but somehow "termina" works because why the fuck not
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what are you talking aboot? i type "cm" i get command prompt, i type "ter" i get command prompt. after installing windows terminal(its a separate app), i search for it and it shows. so whats wrong?
 
Don't care much for the win10 start menu. Live tiles or whatever tiles, who cares, I use OpenShell which gives me a customized start menu. Been using it since win7, when it was called ClassicShell.

The one thing I really wish they would do is make all the controls homogeneous. That "Immersive Control Panel" is really lame and rips off the crappy Google menu style. I wish they'd go back to the old control panel, but that will never happen. Microsoft has to change stuff that works perfectly well for reasons and they never go back on anything.

Another thing I'd like to see happen is Windows made more modular. Remember in the win3.1 days when there was this huge list of installation options. I wish they would bring that back that idea so we could opt not to install features we don't want or need. There's soooo many of them, ridiculous the number of useless features packed into win10.
 
IMO, the complaints about the Control Panel vs. Windows Settings is definitely valid. There are settings in each that can't be found anywhere else and often work in conjunction with settings in the other. 5 years later we don't seem any closer to unifying the two, either. I wish MS would just completely embed the control panel functions in the settings options. That way at least everything can be found in roughly the same place.
 
dbr1 said:
Right, but it seems that 'Control Panel' and 'Settings' are redundant parallel interfaces for system configuration. Hard for me to understand why there are both.
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because people would scream it wasnt. which i why i replied...
 
How about they fix the bugs before worrying about if they think it looks pretty or not? Or better yet, do something they never have before: give their customers a choice in how they want the UI to behave.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't be speaking logically. Logic doesn't apply here. I'll stop.
 
Is this the Windows 10 haterz club? GOOD!

m$ venture into the "cell phone UI" and its attempt to walk it back is an abysmal failure. The settings menu was pure fail from the jump. The control panel is a well laid out interface with logical binary choices while the settings menu is an obfuscated mess of dark tech that's rejiggered in nearly each new feature update in an effort to confuse and insult your intelligence until you give up. If you dare change some settings like smartscreen or defender you are continuously bombarded with notifications, errors and "are you sure?". The registry has become a bloated landfill that takes forever to search, hacks that worked for decades are gone or moved. In an effort to spy on everything you do they invent little conveniences to siphon your data into their cloud; cloud search, filtering your web content "for safety", timelines, clipboard sync, device history, snip and sketch, ink and typing history, shared experiences, diagnostics feedback, online speech recog, integrating local search with the web, a dozen or more services you CANNOT disable with unique identifiers, hidden disk partitions. I could go on for another paragraph. It's a dystopian horror that make Orwell's 1984 look like a fairy tale. Its only going to get worse, do yourselves a favor and dump this abortion of an OS behind the tent of some homeless persons pile of needles and feces where it belongs or buy an enterprise version, strip out all the garbage with ntlite and firewall the entire OS.

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PeaKr said:
Is this the Windows 10 haterz club? GOOD!

m$ venture into the "cell phone UI" and its attempt to walk it back is an abysmal failure. The settings menu was pure fail from the jump. The control panel is a well laid out interface with logical binary choices while the settings menu is an obfuscated mess of dark tech that's rejiggered in nearly each new feature update in an effort to confuse and insult your intelligence until you give up. If you dare change some settings like smartscreen or defender you are continuously bombarded with notifications, errors and "are you sure?". The registry has become a bloated landfill that takes forever to search, hacks that worked for decades are gone or moved. In an effort to spy on everything you do they invent little conveniences to siphon your data into their cloud; cloud search, filtering your web content "for safety", timelines, clipboard sync, device history, snip and sketch, ink and typing history, shared experiences, diagnostics feedback, online speech recog, integrating local search with the web, a dozen or more services you CANNOT disable with unique identifiers, hidden disk partitions. I could go on for another paragraph. It's a dystopian horror that make Orwell's 1984 look like a fairy tale. Its only going to get worse, do yourselves a favor and dump this abortion of an OS behind the tent of some homeless persons pile of needles and feces where it belongs or buy an enterprise version, strip out all the garbage with ntlite and firewall the entire OS.

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Clearly, you have not read 1984 in quite a long time. :D
 
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There's really no excuse to tolerate Windows telemetry and their other malicious madness.
If there was another viable choice for third-party software, sure, but Microsoft even owns Github, so you can't say, "move to Linux."

Face it. Linux sucks. At least for home PCs where you want to play games with modern tools and capabilities. I want to like Linux, but every time I install it, I come crawling back to ol' Bill. I'm pathetic.

The issue is the absolute monopoly they hold. When it's the only choice for most people, and so we end up choosing it en masse, how dare Microsoft force telemetry on us. They have too much power and influence. I don't care if they make lots of money. The issue is that the operating system spies on us. It's morally wrong.

Let's make it legally wrong too.

OS providers and ISPs should be severely punished by the law if they spy on us without the ability for us to opt-out 100% with no hidden backdoors or deceptions.
 
Aegir said:
There's really no excuse to tolerate Windows telemetry and their other malicious madness.
If there was another viable choice for third-party software, sure, but Microsoft even owns Github, so you can't say, "move to Linux."

Face it. Linux sucks. At least for home PCs where you want to play games with modern tools and capabilities. I want to like Linux, but every time I install it, I come crawling back to ol' Bill. I'm pathetic.

The issue is the absolute monopoly they hold. When it's the only choice for most people, and so we end up choosing it en masse, how dare Microsoft force telemetry on us. They have too much power and influence. I don't care if they make lots of money. The issue is that the operating system spies on us. It's morally wrong.

Let's make it legally wrong too.

OS providers and ISPs should be severely punished by the law if they spy on us without the ability for us to opt-out 100% with no hidden backdoors or deceptions.
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OS Providers and ISP's should be severely punished? Who is going to punish them? You? Your representatives in government? These same OS providers and ISP's shell out tens of thousands, if not more, in donations to your representatives to align against your own best interests - do you think these representatives are going to the mat for you over your meager tax revenues?

No...

So it is incumbent upon the individual to make a choice: use the OS that you KNOW tracks you and builds a profile/dossier on you which will likely be used against you one day, or use the one that doesn't. It is this simple.

I fairly recently switched to Linux, myself, after holding out for a long time so I totally understand your sentiments; please try not to misconstrue what I'm saying as condescending, but IMO everyone needs to switch to a Linux-based OS right away.
 
Eh. Ive been using STart10 from the beginning and wont be switching off of it. So Microsofts changes to their own menu dont bother or matter to me.
 
Wow, a thread about a Windows 10 Feature Update turning into a don't use Windows 10 argument. :D Well, it is at least a year away so, we will see what the update finally ends up giving us.
 
Domingo said:
IMO, the complaints about the Control Panel vs. Windows Settings is definitely valid. There are settings in each that can't be found anywhere else and often work in conjunction with settings in the other. 5 years later we don't seem any closer to unifying the two, either. I wish MS would just completely embed the control panel functions in the settings options. That way at least everything can be found in roughly the same place.
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Its gotten better. A few months ago I was dealing with a win10 install still on 2016 version and the 2019 versions are better. You have more options in each settings page! Its just more proof that win8 and 10 have been the jack of all trades, master of none OS with an identity crisis of whether it wants to be a touch screen/mobile device OS or an actual desktop/laptop OS. They've had 5 years for win10 to get it right and still can't. They're not even trying anymore.
 
Ranulfo said:
Its gotten better. A few months ago I was dealing with a win10 install still on 2016 version and the 2019 versions are better. You have more options in each settings page! Its just more proof that win8 and 10 have been the jack of all trades, master of none OS with an identity crisis of whether it wants to be a touch screen/mobile device OS or an actual desktop/laptop OS. They've had 5 years for win10 to get it right and still can't. They're not even trying anymore.
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It's definitely better than it was. You can especially notice it when you go back to older versions. My office used to lock down updates so we were running on the launch version of W10 until pretty recently. You can also see MS asking developers to stop embedding things into the control panel with both Nvidia and Intel moving to UWP panels. Trick is, those still aren't in the Windows setting area so they're still no more convenient/easy.
I'm no fan of the control panel, so I'm all for them migrating stuff out of there. They just need to get on with it. Rip off the band-aid and either move things out or at least link directly to those functions. The longer people have to keep going back to it the harder it's going to be to kill it off.
 
SomeoneElse said:
I like the tiles, i live part is crappy but the tile are easier grab the stuff you want rather than sifting through the apps on the menu. I strickly use the tiles to pin the app i use the most. It allows me to keep my task bar cleaner too.
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People have never had to sift through the start menu, though. Before the Windows 10 start menu, people could pin programs to the start menu bar (like they can with tiles) and it was quicker and easier to access programs than it is with the Windows 10 tiles. It takes time to sift through the tiles compared to pinning programs in the Windows 7 style start menu.
 
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dbr1 said:
Right, but it seems that 'Control Panel' and 'Settings' are redundant parallel interfaces for system configuration. Hard for me to understand why there are both.
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Unless something has changed, there are tools that are in one and not in the other. The real question is why, after 5 years, haven't they moved everything to settings.
 
nilepez said:
The real question is why, after 5 years, haven't they moved everything to settings.
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Apparently, it's because they're slow. Look how long it took them to add features back into Edge that IE had. They are still moving features from the control panel to Settings, just at a glacial pace.
 
1_rick said:
Apparently, it's because they're slow. Look how long it took them to add features back into Edge that IE had. They are still moving features from the control panel to Settings, just at a glacial pace.
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Its more like Windows is EOL at MS internally. The world ignored all the mobile-oriented crapware they tried to layer on top of windows in 8 and 10, so they cut bait and cut their windows teams because they couldn't monetize anything new except the insane telemetry data collection happening silently.

It's maintenance mode, Nadella never mentions Windows in any interview anymore, it's not considered part of the long game. Development is all web based now, you don't really have new big Win32 programs coming out anymore like the 2000's, it's just PC games or updates to long-running titles like the Adobe's etc.
 
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odditory said:
Its more like Windows is EOL at MS internally. The world ignored all the mobile-oriented crapware they tried to layer on top of windows in 8 and 10, so they cut bait and cut their windows teams because they couldn't monetize anything new except the insane telemetry data collection happening silently.

It's maintenance mode, Nadella never mentions Windows in any interview anymore, it's not considered part of the long game. Development is all web based now, you don't really have new big Win32 programs coming out anymore like the 2000's, it's just PC games or updates to long-running titles like the Adobe's etc.
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I cannot say I agree with this interpretation, at all. The desktop OS is still a cornerstone of the business model, just that they do not need to put as much focus on it as they did in the past. Windows is not EOL internally anymore than it is externally, it is just that it is not the primary focus it once was, even if it is the cornerstone of their business model.

Edit: Or more specifically, one of their cornerstones.
 
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Aegir said:
I want to like Linux, but every time I install it, I come crawling back to ol' Bill. I'm pathetic.
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Haha, had to laugh, yeah me too on that one.

Microsoft has had this shotgun approach since win7, throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. The result is a lot of unsuccessful products and a confused operating system that does not really know which way it's going.

Big problem for Microsoft is a really awful public image. They're one of the most predatory companies and have got to where they are mostly though unscrupulous practices. For example Bill Gates flat out stole the mouse and keyboard invention from Zerox and based Windows on it.

Most people are at best indifferent to Microsoft. Other people flat out avoid anything associated with Microsoft. So when they try to monopolize on some great new idea, it almost never takes off because of their bad name. They've had some successes obviously, but it's usually achieved by undermining the competition.
 
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