Tesla Unveils Radical Cybertruck.

Cool, thanks for doing the research and numbers.
So, I was right, it would make for a more interesting/fair comparison if traction wasn't a problem
It is believed they actually used a based 2.7 EB F150, which is even lower numbers, but no marketer is ever fair, and Tesla has always had a fluid relationship with the truth in advertising.
 
I can't watch more than 20 seconds of jay leno driving, what is wrong with his eyes. He looks like he's trying to focus with bifocals.
 
Still can't get over how hideous this thing is.
I can get over the looks for the SciFi aspect of it...
10 year batteries - commuting 3 days a week for work I could basically never pay for gas parking outside regenerate all the energy I need for my commute. The truck's body wouldn't rust.

NO GAS EVER...AND NO ELECTRICITY EVER...with the $2k solar panel upgrade option...
https://www.motor1.com/news/384123/solar-powered-cybertruck-added-range/

Completely solar powered for my use case is the stuff of George Jetson.
 
I can get over the looks for the SciFi aspect of it...
10 year batteries - commuting 3 days a week for work I could basically never pay for gas parking outside regenerate all the energy I need for my commute. The truck's body wouldn't rust.

NO GAS EVER...AND NO ELECTRICITY EVER...with the $2k solar panel upgrade option...
https://www.motor1.com/news/384123/solar-powered-cybertruck-added-range/

Completely solar powered for my use case is the stuff of George Jetson.
Guess that's good if you don't keep your car garaged or have to park in a parking garage for work. Still want to see what real world towing range will be with it.
 
Guess that's good if you don't keep your car garaged or have to park in a parking garage for work. Still want to see what real world towing range will be with it.
Bingo. If they get 400+ MPG I’ll scoop one just because it finally hits my range requirements.

I have to drive from the bay to LA.
 
All EV's should come with a rollout solar charging matt. Something that get get you a few miles of charge in a couple hours wile running the AC and radio.

It should literally be a requirement so we don't end up with stranded people and no juice.
 
Completely solar powered for my use case is the stuff of George Jetson.

While it won't fly, I hear there will be a red button you have to continuously push in the George Jetson Special Edition.
 
Still can't get over how hideous this thing is.
I wish more people felt this way. It's going to be hard as hell to acquire one of these majestic beasts given its waiting list that wraps around the earth.
 
Last edited:
I can get over the looks for the SciFi aspect of it...
10 year batteries - commuting 3 days a week for work I could basically never pay for gas parking outside regenerate all the energy I need for my commute. The truck's body wouldn't rust.

NO GAS EVER...AND NO ELECTRICITY EVER...with the $2k solar panel upgrade option...
https://www.motor1.com/news/384123/solar-powered-cybertruck-added-range/

Completely solar powered for my use case is the stuff of George Jetson.

I almost feel as if spending that $2k on a larger solar panel array for your home would be a more cost effective option.

All EV's should come with a rollout solar charging matt. Something that get get you a few miles of charge in a couple hours wile running the AC and radio.

It should literally be a requirement so we don't end up with stranded people and no juice.

Or we just need to get battery and charging tech to the point where it recharges as fast as gas. Not there yet but there are quite a few interesting technologies in the pipeline. Once we have that fast charging tech, energy density will no longer be as important. There is a lot of emphasis right now on energy density when I feel the focus should be on recharge rate.
 
All EV's should come with a rollout solar charging matt. Something that get get you a few miles of charge in a couple hours wile running the AC and radio.

It should literally be a requirement so we don't end up with stranded people and no juice.

People are idiots. There are gas stations all around and they still run out of gas. I do agree electric cars should come with something to help charge them for a few extra miles, but they’ll still find a way to get stranded.

Maybe electric cars should come with a foldable electric blanket or something, in case they do run outta gas. This way you can charge them for a while so maybe you can make it to a charging station.
 
People are idiots. There are gas stations all around and they still run out of gas. I do agree electric cars should come with something to help charge them for a few extra miles, but they’ll still find a way to get stranded.

Maybe electric cars should come with a foldable electric blanket or something, in case they do run outta gas. This way you can charge them for a while so maybe you can make it to a charging station.
It’s a heck of a lot easier to walk a mile or two to a gas station and bring back a couple gallons of gas than it is to find someone with a portable generator that’s willing to wait an hour or two to give you enough range to get within reach of an extension cord.
 
People are idiots. There are gas stations all around and they still run out of gas. I do agree electric cars should come with something to help charge them for a few extra miles, but they’ll still find a way to get stranded.

Maybe electric cars should come with a foldable electric blanket or something, in case they do run outta gas. This way you can charge them for a while so maybe you can make it to a charging station.
Yes, but it's very easy to get a gas can and fill back up. Not as easy to transport a new battery to swap on the side of the road. Or a small generator that would charge slow as crap. Gas is pour in and it's ready to go. Slightly different outcomes when you run out. Also, if you're in the middle of a desert road with nobody around, I'd take a small solar panel to get me out of a crappy situation vs. a gas car with no options ;). Just depends on the situation.

Edit:. Post ninja above me beat me to half of my point.
 
It’s a heck of a lot easier to walk a mile or two to a gas station and bring back a couple gallons of gas than it is to find someone with a portable generator that’s willing to wait an hour or two to give you enough range to get within reach of an extension cord.
Yes, but it's very easy to get a gas can and fill back up. Not as easy to transport a new battery to swap on the side of the road. Or a small generator that would charge slow as crap. Gas is pour in and it's ready to go. Slightly different outcomes when you run out. Also, if you're in the middle of a desert road with nobody around, I'd take a small solar panel to get me out of a crappy situation vs. a gas car with no options ;). Just depends on the situation.

Edit:. Post ninja above me beat me to half of my point.

Or just get a tow...I haven't seen anyone walking to get gas in decades. Its simply too dangerous to walk on the side of the road these days. Or even better dont run out of gas/electric ;)
 
Musk and his girl Grimes is so fucking wierd. Its like they inject DMT from an insulin pump hourly
She is apparently selling her soul for 10 million dollars to whatever idiot wants to buy it.

And the cyber truck remains stupid.
 
Musk and his girl Grimes is so fucking wierd. Its like they inject DMT from an insulin pump hourly
She is apparently selling her soul for 10 million dollars to whatever idiot wants to buy it.

And the cyber truck remains stupid.

Hmm does it come with a night alone with her? ;)
 
I can get over the looks for the SciFi aspect of it...
10 year batteries - commuting 3 days a week for work I could basically never pay for gas parking outside regenerate all the energy I need for my commute. The truck's body wouldn't rust.

NO GAS EVER...AND NO ELECTRICITY EVER...with the $2k solar panel upgrade option...
https://www.motor1.com/news/384123/solar-powered-cybertruck-added-range/

Completely solar powered for my use case is the stuff of George Jetson.

You should never believe tweets from elon musk FYI. Assuming no sun, low latitude, no clouds, and on the summer solstice, you might get 15 miles.

You would need at least a 1kw array, and generating at top capacity for 4 or 5 hours.
 
Or just get a tow...I haven't seen anyone walking to get gas in decades. Its simply too dangerous to walk on the side of the road these days. Or even better dont run out of gas/electric ;)
Ah, you should read up on towing electric vehicles, I remember an article from I think it was like new York times about planning a trip in an electrical car. The cold weather screwed with the plans and they ran out of battery. Ended up getting a flat bed but they couldn't open doors and release brakes without power and ended up having to drag it onto the flat bed. It was a Tesla but an older article, I'm hoping those kind of issues have been resolved by now. Point is, tow.truck isn't always great either. You can have someone else bring you gas or even lots of insurance will send out a truck with a gas can so you don't have to tow a vehicle just for gas. This is not as simple with electric. If your to lazy/proud/scared/out of shape to walk to a gas station it's still cheaper to get a tow company to bring you a little gas than pay for a tow. Wishful thinking on nobody running out of gas or battery.
 
Ah, you should read up on towing electric vehicles, I remember an article from I think it was like new York times about planning a trip in an electrical car. The cold weather screwed with the plans and they ran out of battery. Ended up getting a flat bed but they couldn't open doors and release brakes without power and ended up having to drag it onto the flat bed. It was a Tesla but an older article, I'm hoping those kind of issues have been resolved by now. Point is, tow.truck isn't always great either. You can have someone else bring you gas or even lots of insurance will send out a truck with a gas can so you don't have to tow a vehicle just for gas. This is not as simple with electric. If your to lazy/proud/scared/out of shape to walk to a gas station it's still cheaper to get a tow company to bring you a little gas than pay for a tow. Wishful thinking on nobody running out of gas or battery.

As a driver its your responsibility to not run out of fuel. Poor planning on their part if they didn't leave enough cushion. If I was driving an electric vehicle I would treat it like a boat. Never let the fuel get below 50% before you head to refuel. Or like a plane: always have a minimum of 1 hour in reserve.

Ive driven thousands of miles, flown many more, and boated quite a bit and NEVER been anywhere near running out of fuel in anything. Why? Because I plan properly. If you run out of fuel you either didn't plan or failed miserably at it.

Even if I had an incident and a fuel line got nicked or the tank got a hole I would notice because I pay attention to the gauges. Most people do not. So youre right in that they will run out of fuel. Most people wait for the idiot light. But thats hardly the vehicles fault or being hard to tow or being inconvientent to refuel. You picked the vehicle and you should've been paying attention to its peculiarities (that doesn't mean you might not occasionally still miss something but it should be very rare). I have little sympathy for people who fall afoul of no fuel situations.
 
As a driver its your responsibility to not run out of fuel. Poor planning on their part if they didn't leave enough cushion. If I was driving an electric vehicle I would treat it like a boat. Never let the fuel get below 50% before you head to refuel. Or like a plane: always have a minimum of 1 hour in reserve.

Ive driven thousands of miles, flown many more, and boated quite a bit and NEVER been anywhere near running out of fuel in anything. Why? Because I plan properly. If you run out of fuel you either didn't plan or failed miserably at it.

Even if I had an incident and a fuel line got nicked or the tank got a hole I would notice because I pay attention to the gauges. Most people do not. So youre right in that they will run out of fuel. Most people wait for the idiot light. But thats hardly the vehicles fault or being hard to tow or being inconvientent to refuel. You picked the vehicle and you should've been paying attention to its peculiarities (that doesn't mean you might not occasionally still miss something but it should be very rare). I have little sympathy for people who fall afoul of no fuel situations.

Well to be fair years ago when traveling back from school I had planned out my fuel stops from Wyoming to California. Now this was back before cell phones existed and all went well till Nevada. The place I had planned to stop at had burned to the ground, so a bit hard to plan for that ;) Luckily I made it to Reno but just barely. Things can happen but at least now it's far easier to deal with.
 
Well to be fair years ago when traveling back from school I had planned out my fuel stops from Wyoming to California. Now this was back before cell phones existed and all went well till Nevada. The place I had planned to stop at had burned to the ground, so a bit hard to plan for that ;) Luckily I made it to Reno but just barely. Things can happen but at least now it's far easier to deal with.

I don't think I've ever been anywhere where I had to pan my fuel stops.

I just drive until the little light comes on, and then know I have like 30-50 miles to find a gas station, which means I'll probably drive past 5,000 of them.
 
I don't think I've ever been anywhere where I had to pan my fuel stops.

I just drive until the little light comes on, and then know I have like 30-50 miles to find a gas station, which means I'll probably drive past 5,000 of them.

Take a drive on Interstate 80 one day and you will understand why planning stops is needed :) Way to many miles of just nothing on that road.
 
As a driver its your responsibility to not run out of fuel. Poor planning on their part if they didn't leave enough cushion. If I was driving an electric vehicle I would treat it like a boat. Never let the fuel get below 50% before you head to refuel. Or like a plane: always have a minimum of 1 hour in reserve.

Ive driven thousands of miles, flown many more, and boated quite a bit and NEVER been anywhere near running out of fuel in anything. Why? Because I plan properly. If you run out of fuel you either didn't plan or failed miserably at it.

Even if I had an incident and a fuel line got nicked or the tank got a hole I would notice because I pay attention to the gauges. Most people do not. So youre right in that they will run out of fuel. Most people wait for the idiot light. But thats hardly the vehicles fault or being hard to tow or being inconvientent to refuel. You picked the vehicle and you should've been paying attention to its peculiarities (that doesn't mean you might not occasionally still miss something but it should be very rare). I have little sympathy for people who fall afoul of no fuel situations.
I know some people are irresponsible... Which means they will run out of both. Not everyone is as things happen (I had one I guy ingot gas for that had a brand new car with a defective fuel gauge. It was reading just under 1/2 tank but was empty). In very rural parts sometimes gas stations are out of service or shut down, etc. Either way, responsible or not, it IS going to continue to happen and when it does, gas is much easier to come by than electrons in a can ;). I normally fill my cars up around the 1/4 mark and haven't ran out of gas yet. Diesel on the other hand.... Twice (ish). Once when someone siphoned my full tank of fuel that I literally had less than 1 mile on!!! And the other when the pickup tube in the fuel tank broke.. I was still above 1/4 but it could reach the fuel. Both were easily fixed with a splash of fuel from a gas can, neither was my due to me being lazy or irresponsible. I did however purchase a locking gas cap that same day to avoid that issue happening again. Broken parts not to much you can do, parts break (although id say this probably falls more into the break down vs. ran out of fuel but the fix to get me home and was just put more fuel in with a gas can).
 
I know some people are irresponsible... Which means they will run out of both. Not everyone is as things happen (I had one I guy ingot gas for that had a brand new car with a defective fuel gauge. It was reading just under 1/2 tank but was empty). In very rural parts sometimes gas stations are out of service or shut down, etc. Either way, responsible or not, it IS going to continue to happen and when it does, gas is much easier to come by than electrons in a can ;). I normally fill my cars up around the 1/4 mark and haven't ran out of gas yet. Diesel on the other hand.... Twice (ish). Once when someone siphoned my full tank of fuel that I literally had less than 1 mile on!!! And the other when the pickup tube in the fuel tank broke.. I was still above 1/4 but it could reach the fuel. Both were easily fixed with a splash of fuel from a gas can, neither was my due to me being lazy or irresponsible. I did however purchase a locking gas cap that same day to avoid that issue happening again. Broken parts not to much you can do, parts break (although id say this probably falls more into the break down vs. ran out of fuel but the fix to get me home and was just put more fuel in with a gas can).

Well I would pose those diesel ones aren't you fault since they are the rare circumstances that you cant prevent.
 
Well I would pose those diesel ones aren't you fault since they are the rare circumstances that you cant prevent.
Yeah, that's what I was saying towards the end they are more breakdown vs ran out of gas, however they were still remedied by a yellow diesel can so it was kinda 50/50. Either way, there are always going to be those who run out of gas. Whether irresponsible, literally broke and have to make it to work and hope they can get home, or stuff outside of their control. It's cheaper to get a truck to bring some fuel than a flatbed tow somewhere. And much faster to get back going as well. I'm not against electric vehicles, I'm just saying there are differences to be aware of and simple mistakes that weren't big deals can now lead to a much longer/costly situation. Maybe that will force people to be more careful if there are more consequences.
 
I can get over the looks for the SciFi aspect of it...
10 year batteries - commuting 3 days a week for work I could basically never pay for gas parking outside regenerate all the energy I need for my commute. The truck's body wouldn't rust.

NO GAS EVER...AND NO ELECTRICITY EVER...with the $2k solar panel upgrade option...
https://www.motor1.com/news/384123/solar-powered-cybertruck-added-range/

Completely solar powered for my use case is the stuff of George Jetson.

Unless you live someplace cold and it takes 1500W just to break even with keeping the batteries warm.

As a driver its your responsibility to not run out of fuel. Poor planning on their part if they didn't leave enough cushion. If I was driving an electric vehicle I would treat it like a boat. Never let the fuel get below 50% before you head to refuel. Or like a plane: always have a minimum of 1 hour in reserve.

Ive driven thousands of miles, flown many more, and boated quite a bit and NEVER been anywhere near running out of fuel in anything. Why? Because I plan properly. If you run out of fuel you either didn't plan or failed miserably at it.

Even if I had an incident and a fuel line got nicked or the tank got a hole I would notice because I pay attention to the gauges. Most people do not. So youre right in that they will run out of fuel. Most people wait for the idiot light. But thats hardly the vehicles fault or being hard to tow or being inconvientent to refuel. You picked the vehicle and you should've been paying attention to its peculiarities (that doesn't mean you might not occasionally still miss something but it should be very rare). I have little sympathy for people who fall afoul of no fuel situations.

At least with the electric cars if it snows hard range can be reduced by up to 90%. Cold weather is 30-40% IIRC. My commute alone would put me at 50%. God forbid I hit traffic in the winter.

Maybe the cybertruck would do a bit better than a car for snow since it’ll do less “plowing”. Half the guys with Tesla cars at my work call off on snow days... they burn half their vacation because of their vehicle. The other half have a secondary vehicle which is a bit crazy to me.

Now if you live in someplace like Texas or Arizona it’s more feasible.
 
Unless you live someplace cold and it takes 1500W just to break even with keeping the batteries warm.

At least with the electric cars if it snows hard range can be reduced by up to 90%. Cold weather is 30-40% IIRC. My commute alone would put me at 50%. God forbid I hit traffic in the winter.

Maybe the cybertruck would do a bit better than a car for snow since it’ll do less “plowing”. Half the guys with Tesla cars at my work call off on snow days... they burn half their vacation because of their vehicle. The other half have a secondary vehicle which is a bit crazy to me.

Now if you live in someplace like Texas or Arizona it’s more feasible.

That is a massive exaggeration. EVs are extremely popular in Norway(it gets very cold there), and they really cause minimal issues. I saw one video where I guy camped unplugged overnight, with the heater on in freezing temps, and still had minimal issues. Burned about 8 miles of range per hour of running the cabin heater to keep it relatively warm. Main issue was his tires froze, and the cold dropped the tire pressure.

Edit: Found Video
Camping in unplugged Tesla at -36C/-33F
 
Last edited:
As a driver its your responsibility to not run out of fuel. Poor planning on their part if they didn't leave enough cushion. If I was driving an electric vehicle I would treat it like a boat. Never let the fuel get below 50% before you head to refuel. Or like a plane: always have a minimum of 1 hour in reserve.

Ive driven thousands of miles, flown many more, and boated quite a bit and NEVER been anywhere near running out of fuel in anything. Why? Because I plan properly. If you run out of fuel you either didn't plan or failed miserably at it.

Even if I had an incident and a fuel line got nicked or the tank got a hole I would notice because I pay attention to the gauges. Most people do not. So youre right in that they will run out of fuel. Most people wait for the idiot light. But thats hardly the vehicles fault or being hard to tow or being inconvientent to refuel. You picked the vehicle and you should've been paying attention to its peculiarities (that doesn't mean you might not occasionally still miss something but it should be very rare). I have little sympathy for people who fall afoul of no fuel situations.
It is not about poor planning. It is more about being cheap/poor. People are stupid and try to get every drop out their tank. You never been through a poor area have you? I see it all time stopping by a gas station in poor area where people are buying gas with what little change in their pocket. Those are the people that run out of gas.
 
That is a massive exaggeration. EVs are extremely popular in Norway(it gets very cold there), and they really cause minimal issues. I saw one video where I guy camped unplugged overnight, with the heater on in freezing temps, and still had minimal issues. Burned about 8 miles of range per hour of running the cabin heater to keep it relatively warm. Main issue was his tires froze, and the cold dropped the tire pressure.

Edit: Found Video
Camping in unplugged Tesla at -36C/-33F


Exaggeration of what? All your video showed was he burns 2.7kW just to heat the car.
 
Per hour, at -36C.

You said, you could lose up to 90% of your range.

In reality it's closer to 10%-20%, even in conditions more extreme than Winter in the coldest of the Lower 48 States.

90% reduction of your range *driving* in a heavy snow storm. This has been documented on the Tesla forums.

If you want a Tesla because it’s your thing, go for it, but IIRC only 8% of our energy goes to transportation. Just not the low hanging fruit to me... and when I did the math for my area it falls into the novelty spectrum.
 
Back
Top