Zen 2 goes budget: R3 3100 and R3 3300x

Best sub $300 budget combo (Prices estimated)

  • 9th gen 6/6 Intel with Z-370

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • 10th gen 4/8 Intel with Z-470

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • 3rd gen 4/8 AMD with B4/550 and $100 for GPU

    Votes: 34 89.5%

  • 9th gen 6/6 Intel with Z-370

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 9th gen 6/6 Intel with B-365

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Gamers will finally have a budget option with the new 4/8 cpus coming this May:
https://www.techpowerup.com/266076/...ktop-processors-and-amd-b550-pcie-4-0-chipset

The only difference between the 3100 and 3300x are ( edit )

Competition will come from the upcoming 4/8 Comet Lake i3 cpus, though it will be interesting if Intel hers anywhere near the $99/$119 price point.

AMD will in a way be competing with themselves as well. First with the 3200g/3400g, while they are only Zen+, do offer an iGPU which may be more attractive to budget general PC users. Both budget PC users and gamers may also be attracted to the 1600AF, while again Zen+, offers 50% more cores and threads.
 
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mnewxcv said:
Amazon is oos on 1600af that's why. I just ordered one two days ago for 85.
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You got it just in time. It was $100 this morning then $107 now. I thing 6 core Zen+ is finally used up as 2600 and 2600x prices shot up as well.
 
Seems the difference between the 3100 and 3300x is more than clock frequencies:
https://www.techpowerup.com/266218/...p-of-the-3100-ccx-gymnastics-at-play#comments

So the 3300x will get the 4+0 ccx config that budget gamers were hoping for while the 3100 gets the 2+2 ccx that will have much a higher latency.

This is why early leeks show the 3300x matching a stock 7700k at stock speeds and beating it in MT when overclocked as AMD SMT seems to be more effective.

The 3100 will still be a good budget PC cpu especially with Zen+ 6 core prices skyrocketing - probably due to diminishing stock.
 
Looks awesome, a 3300x has a high single core boost than the 3600.... Should be a really good gaming CPU. Make an easy upgrade, looking at this for my son to upgrade his 6600k, early benches show it's about as fast as the 7700k for $120. Will be a good upgrade and relatively inexpensive too.
 
Latest rumors for the Comet Lake i3 vs Ryzen 3:

1.) B460 may support overclocking or at least base clock boost, though unknown when they will release.

2.) Only 'K' cpus may launch later in May from Intel. could be a while before the lesser SKUs are available.

3.) B550 looks to be around the same price as B450.

That all said, it looks like a 10320/Z460 may not be quite $100 more than a 3300x/B550 though who knows when Intel's offering will be available and will lack a lot of the B550 features.

Still, I wish AMD would stop dragging their feet on the 4400g? APUs.
 
Reviews are coming in way before I expected and the new R3 doesn't dissapoint:


The 3300x is the star of the show as the 4+0 design helps it to match the 7700k in gaming while close to a R5 2600 in multi threaded workloads.

The slower 3100 is about as good as an R5 2600 in gaming and around an R5 1600 in MT.

Comparing clock to clock, there was no difference in the two new cpus when rendering, however, the one gaming test showed a 7% boost in favor of the 4+0 design.

I can't imagine used Intel CPU prices will remain as high as they are after this launch.
 
I am interested in the 3300X, as I doubt borderlands 3 will really test it the game seems more GPU bound
 
As far as I can see, starting with Zen+ the only time it pays to go with Intel is if you need the bleeding edge of gaming performance. There's almost no other scenario where it makes sense anymore. If you want Intel simply because you want Intel, go for it. It's a free country.

All the machines in my sig have used Intel processors in them. But, it's getting hard to even justify used Intel anymore. AMD has positioned themselves too well in too many segments for most folks to ignore.
 
3300x stock is no where. Building a budget HTPC gaming rig with a b450,3300x,16gb ram and a used 1070. Already have cooling, case, and power supply. Shopblt gasnit but all 300 that come in tomorrow already spoken for. Anyone find other places to order in the US please post a link
 
Nightfire said:
Impressive how well the 3300x does in all applications.
The 4/8 3300x edges out the 6/6 3500x while the 4/8 7700k slightly trails the 9400F despite the same clock advantage.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-3100-cpu-review/3

Even if the 3500x was a cheap as the 3300x, I think I would still lean toward the 3300x. Rendering is about the only place the AMD 4/8 loses.
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Good God! I only recently bought a 1600AF and i thought it was the best bargain ever! And now this comes! So much for the "more cores are better"... To be completely honest, if i bought the 3300X, i don't know if i should keep the 2600 as main CPU... Because this 3300X seems to be doing everything better except for decompression and other niche stuff...

Unbelievable offerings... I wish AMD had made this public earlier...
 
Vengance_01 said:
3300x stock is no where. Building a budget HTPC gaming rig with a b450,3300x,16gb ram and a used 1070. Already have cooling, case, and power supply. Shopblt gasnit but all 300 that come in tomorrow already spoken for. Anyone find other places to order in the US please post a link
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I read somewhere that the release date for the Ryzen 3 3100 & 3300X is Thursday May 14th but I can't find it now. I hope the info was right.
 
I'm not happy with the preorder situation.

B&H had their price $10 cheaper.
Amazon is bought out.
AF is oos.


It just feels like I've been here before.
The preorders are late, or they aren't 100% fulfilled.
There's some lag in inventory for 2nd and 3rd deliveries.

This whole deal is annoying bc I told my buddy I'd help him get a box together for a graduation present. Right now isn't a good time to need parts.
 
Faethon said:
Good God! I only recently bought a 1600AF and i thought it was the best bargain ever! And now this comes! So much for the "more cores are better"... To be completely honest, if i bought the 3300X, i don't know if i should keep the 2600 as main CPU... Because this 3300X seems to be doing everything better except for decompression and other niche stuff...

Unbelievable offerings... I wish AMD had made this public earlier...
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Honestly, I would still have got the 1600af if the 3300x was available at purchase. In gaming, you will really only see a difference running $500+ gpus at 1080p.

Performance for that $ range (gaming), (productivity)
1600af - 7/10 : 10/10
3300x - 9/10 : 8/10

The extra $40 on a gpu will go much further on midrange builds. It certainly looks like the 1600af is gone for good now though.
 
somebrains said:
I'm not happy with the preorder situation.

B&H had their price $10 cheaper.
Amazon is bought out.
AF is oos.


It just feels like I've been here before.
The preorders are late, or they aren't 100% fulfilled.
There's some lag in inventory for 2nd and 3rd deliveries.

This whole deal is annoying bc I told my buddy I'd help him get a box together for a graduation present. Right now isn't a good time to need parts.
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I think b&h had there prices wrong. The 3100 and 3300x were backwards
 
Vengance_01 said:
I think b&h had there prices wrong. The 3100 and 3300x were backwards
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$10 doesn't make me or break me.
Imagine dealing with a kid that went full red face if they shipped out the wrong CPU and their world ended bc of lag time.

I'd just go get a 9600k, which is where I'm leaning right now.
 
Nightfire said:
Honestly, I would still have got the 1600af if the 3300x was available at purchase. In gaming, you will really only see a difference running $500+ gpus at 1080p.

Performance for that $ range (gaming), (productivity)
1600af - 7/10 : 10/10
3300x - 9/10 : 8/10

The extra $40 on a gpu will go much further on midrange builds. It certainly looks like the 1600af is gone for good now though.
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Yeah, thanks for making me feel better. I keep telling the same to myself... However, many of those "productivity" tests are benchmarks that don't apply in real life. For example, i decompress files that are several GB. I 've never seen 100% CPU use. The 3300X is faster in Lame encoding, browser, zip compression (!), Gimp, photoediting, MS Office. That's pretty much all the real life production applications. The 1600AF wins in decompression and synthetic benchmarks... The other amazing thing with the 3300x, is that it doesn't seem to be hampered even in games that are notoriously very multithreaded. I would expect that it would show weakness in such games, since a thread isn't the same as a core. But it keeps stomping the 2600 and the 1600AF even there and goes neck to neck with the 3600!

My greatest consolation is that i try to think that "you can do more tasks at the same time"...

About games, you 're right. I 'm not a big gamer anyway, i play a few old games for the most part, which unfortunately, some of them tax the CPU a lot... But, i guess i shouldn't complain. I bought the 2600 and the 1600AF while they were still at good prices... The AF is still available here in Italy, but price has gone upwards, as have the prices of everything pc related (about +15 EUR for everything) and there is an obvious shortage of motherboards. Amazon is littered with "out of stock" models for almost every sub-100EUR motherboard... Covid19 effects...
 
somebrains said:
$10 doesn't make me or break me.
Imagine dealing with a kid that went full red face if they shipped out the wrong CPU and their world ended bc of lag time.

I'd just go get a 9600k, which is where I'm leaning right now.
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I guess motherboards are bit more expensive but when going Intel only adds 50-75$ more to build it's not a bad deal. Plus for gaming the 9600k is a great chip
 
Vengance_01 said:
I guess motherboards are bit more expensive but when going Intel only adds 50-75$ more to build it's not a bad deal. Plus for gaming the 9600k is a great chip
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Your adding $80 for the cpu and probably $50 going from a B450/550 to a Z390 if you are trying to get the most out of the 9600k. Totally different price categories. Also, something tells me LGA 1151v3 high end cpus will stay at a very high price if you plan on upgrading.
 
The B550 comes out in a month, might help the supply situation with AMD motherboards right now. Stock really tanked on AMD boards. Don't know if it's shipping issues or production issues or just huge demand. Might have to go with Intel just because of availability, but I'd hold out a bit if I could. It's not just the AMD CPUs are cheaper with double threads, they use less power and run cooler too.
 
Im really waiting to see what the 4700g or whatever it is called performs. The Zen 2 8 core APU with supposed higher performance GPU albeit lower CU count.
 
Can't believe the 3300x oc beats a 9900ks in fortnight 1080 in all metrics. That's impressive, mesh ring bus showing its age... At this point if i were building a rig to tie me over till Zen 3 that'd be the way I'd go with x570.
 
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Can't believe the 3300x oc beats a 9900ks in fortnight 1080 in all metrics. That's impressive, mesh ring bus showing its age... At this point if i were building a rig to tie me over till Zen 3 that'd be the way I'd go with x570.
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I see zero benefit in x570 anymore. Since sli is dead why pay the premium. Just get a b550 or even 450. X570 is a complete utter waste of money.
 
tangoseal said:
I see zero benefit in x570 anymore. Since sli is dead why pay the premium. Just get a b550 or even 450. X570 is a complete utter waste of money.
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Because I need two PCI Slots that run at at lease 8X to run NV link for rendering which means SLI support.
 
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Because I need two PCI Slots that run at at lease 8X to run NV link for rendering which means SLI support.
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I was replying to n4cr, not your needs. He was making the statement that a 3000 series cpu is best with x570. But the premium only makes a difference if you leverage the exceedingly short list of features.

Anyways what rendering are you doing? 3d, video, etc...?
 
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tangoseal said:
I was replying to n4cr, not your needs. He was making the statement that a 3000 series cpu is best with x570. But the premium only makes a difference if you leverage the exceedingly short list of features.

Anyways what rendering are you doing? 3d, video, etc...?
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Not safe for work digital erotic art (think Bettie Page and/or Marylynn Chambers) using the Iray render engine so I am locked into Nvidia cards. Hoping that the RTX 3000 cards play well together with NVLink. Some of my art is pretty tame but some of it is REAL ornery to paraphraise Robert Duvall from Days of Thunder. I am thinking of getting the 3300X right now aas a place holder but spending over 300 on a board then sticking a 120 processor in it seems crazy but that may be what I am doing then hope that the 4000 series Ryzens get a good boost. And I am sure I could sell the 3300X here once I get a new 4000 high end CPU. Some bench marks say that an overclocked 3300X does not start CPU limiting the GPU until you fire up a 2080TI at 1080p or higher.
 
tangoseal said:
I was replying to n4cr, not your needs. He was making the statement that a 3000 series cpu is best with x570. But the premium only makes a difference if you leverage the exceedingly short list of features.

Anyways what rendering are you doing? 3d, video, etc...?
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For future compatibility. I didn't think B550 was even out yet or very available. Hence x570. If it is then yeah B550 would be fine.
 
One can get decent X570 boards for around $200 which is probably worth the extra cost. For a small form factor system, iTX system, B550 would make good sense. Anyways for future compatibility B550 or X570 and not sure if there will another chipset for AM4 as in X670.
 
Can usually find stock of new AMD CPUs early-ish on avadirect, but the shipping is a bit high if that's all you order from them–$40~ for just a heatsink (for me at least).
 
N4CR said:
For future compatibility. I didn't think B550 was even out yet or very available. Hence x570. If it is then yeah B550 would be fine.
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tangoseal said:
Oh I see what your point of view is.
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Supposedly, boards will introduced May 21st, 2020 and will be released June 16, 2020. So we will have to wait for the NDA to go bye bye on Thursday before know what the B550 chip set motherboards will bring.
 
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