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This is what I've seen online with some of the benchmarks. I do not game, but rather use my build almost exclusively for handbrake encoding. Handbrake likes and uses multi-threaded processors, hence why threadripper exceeds at this. I use extremely high encoding settings and I am going to be increasing 4K encoding where with the 1950X I average 2.5 - 4 FPS, which is tediously slow. If I were to consider building a 3950X rig, I would have to see percentage wise how much faster Handbrake performance I could get to justify the expense.I tested the 2920X against the 3900X when the Ryzen 3000 series launched. The 3900X was faster in almost every single test. Often by quite a large margin. I have no doubt this would translate to the 1950X and the 3950X. In fact, the gap is likely slightly larger as the 2000 series Threadrippers saw some improvements over their 1000 series predecessors.
The biggest place you'll see a difference is in anything requiring single-threaded performance. Gaming is a great example of this. The extra L3 cache and the topology of the processor are all designed to help mitigate the latency penalties earlier processors had regarding crossing CCX boundaries.
This is what I've seen online with some of the benchmarks. I do not game, but rather use my build almost exclusively for handbrake encoding. Handbrake likes and uses multi-threaded processors, hence why threadripper exceeds at this. I use extremely high encoding settings and I am going to be increasing 4K encoding where with the 1950X I average 2.5 - 4 FPS, which is tediously slow. If I were to consider building a 3950X rig, I would have to see percentage wise how much faster Handbrake performance I could get to justify the expense.
As an alternative why not wait until 3960X goes on sale?? Lets you reuse your current motherboard, and should happen when they replace the current threadrippers with Zen 3.
The upgrade to Zen 2 is definitely worth it, but you might as well get the most out of your upgrade!
Upgrade the cpu to just a higher core count second gen thread ripper ?
I knew that already. It's too bad what AMD did. The second generation threadrippers were no faster than the 1950X and regarding the 2990wx it performed SLOWER than the 1950X with Handbrake. I estimate a 3950X build will set me back around $2K. Again, if there was a significant difference in Handbrake encoding speed and specifically 4K encoding, it may be worth the upgrade.Sorry, but sTRX4 and socket TR4 are not compatible. He cannot upgrade to a Threadripper 3960X and use his existing socket TR4 motherboard. All said and done he would be looking at potentially doubling the price of his upgrade over a 3950X.
I knew that already. It's too bad what AMD did. The second generation threadrippers were no faster than the 1950X and regarding the 2990wx it performed SLOWER than the 1950X with Handbrake. I estimate a 3950X build will set me back around $2K. Again, if there was a significant difference in Handbrake encoding speed and specifically 4K encoding, it may be worth the upgrade.
Thanks!! That's good advice. I can't justify the cost for 50%. What can I say, the 1950X build was my first build from scratch, all self taught and I'm hooked. Pushing a 3.7Ghz overclock without water cooling. I set the queue in Vidcoder and let the threadripper do its job. Sometimes the queue is so packed, my system will encode around the clock for 3-4 days straight.Gotcha. You're on;y going to see a 50% performance increase, for the cost of $2000 (just based on 1080p HEVC benchmarks). But I will agree it's your best upgrade path.
I would possibly wait for Zen 3, but that's on you. Most people are expecting the price to be identical, and the performance increase should be a lot closer to 2x than the 3950x.
I knew that already. It's too bad what AMD did. The second generation threadrippers were no faster than the 1950X and regarding the 2990wx it performed SLOWER than the 1950X with Handbrake. I estimate a 3950X build will set me back around $2K. Again, if there was a significant difference in Handbrake encoding speed and specifically 4K encoding, it may be worth the upgrade.
I hear you but still, $1,400 for maybe a 50% improvement might not justify it especially if Zen 3 is right around the corner. I wonder how much of an improvement in performance it will have over the current. Maybe a 4950X?Not if you just upgrade the CPU and motherboard. You can use your existing RAM and other components with it. At that point, even going with a motherboard like the MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE wouldn't cost you $2,000. Total upgrade cost would be around $1,400. Not $2,000.
On a second note, what do people usually do with processors, motherboards and extra parts they no longer use? I have a box full of Noctua 140mm fans and a Nocutua NH-U14S TR4, barely used that I don't need.Not if you just upgrade the CPU and motherboard. You can use your existing RAM and other components with it. At that point, even going with a motherboard like the MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE wouldn't cost you $2,000. Total upgrade cost would be around $1,400. Not $2,000.
On a second note, what do people usually do with processors, motherboards and extra parts they no longer use? I have a box full of Noctua 140mm fans and a Nocutua NH-U14S TR4, barely used that I don't need.
Thanks!! That's good advice. I can't justify the cost for 50%. What can I say, the 1950X build was my first build from scratch, all self taught and I'm hooked. Pushing a 3.7Ghz overclock without water cooling. I set the queue in Vidcoder and let the threadripper do its job. Sometimes the queue is so packed, my system will encode around the clock for 3-4 days straight.
Any idea when Zen 3 is rolling out?
Thanks!! That's good advice. I can't justify the cost for 50%. What can I say, the 1950X build was my first build from scratch, all self taught and I'm hooked. Pushing a 3.7Ghz overclock without water cooling. I set the queue in Vidcoder and let the threadripper do its job. Sometimes the queue is so packed, my system will encode around the clock for 3-4 days straight.
Any idea when Zen 3 is rolling out?
No way. Custom loop maybe but no AIO will cool better than the setup I have...Thermalright Silver Arrow TR4 with dual 140mm Noctua Chromax fans running full speed. During video encoding with Vidcoder, every core of the 1950X is pushing about 100%. Maybe in less cpu intensive tasks. I have experimented with the volts for a long time and cannot push more than 1.24 (1.23750) volts without temps passing 68C. Pushing the 1950X past 3.7Ghz at this voltage results in an unstable overclock, not even 3.8Ghz. I originally started with the Enermax Liqtech TR4 360. Total garbage...Went through two and both leaked and didn't cool better than my setup now even before they weren't leaking. I've seen people boast 3.9-4.1Ghz overclocks online. I don't know what applications they are using but the way Vidcoder pushes every core of the 1950X, averaging 230 watts can't keep the temps lower than 68C. Even with my current overclock the temps get up to 71C when the ambient room temp is warm.The 1950X should be able to do 4.1GHz. Obviously, that would take a good AIO or a custom loop to pull off, but all of them I've ever seen could do it.
No way. Custom loop maybe but no AIO will cool better than the setup I have...Thermalright Silver Arrow TR4 with dual 140mm Noctua Chromax fans running full speed. During video encoding with Vidcoder, every core of the 1950X is pushing about 100%. Maybe in less cpu intensive tasks. I have experimented with the volts for a long time and cannot push more than 1.24 (1.23750) volts without temps passing 68C. Pushing the 1950X past 3.7Ghz at this voltage results in an unstable overclock, not even 3.8Ghz. I originally started with the Enermax Liqtech TR4 360. Total garbage...Went through two and both leaked and didn't cool better than my setup now even before they weren't leaking. I've seen people boast 3.9-4.1Ghz overclocks online. I don't know what applications they are using but the way Vidcoder pushes every core of the 1950X, averaging 230 watts can't keep the temps lower than 68C. Even with my current overclock the temps get up to 71C when the ambient room temp is warm.
Good for you. I don't want the headache of a custom loop. I'm enjoying the peace of mind of a nice, big ass heatsink.A custom loop can definitely do it as I have done it. I've clocked a couple of 1950X's to 4.1GHz.
No way. Custom loop maybe but no AIO will cool better than the setup I have...Thermalright Silver Arrow TR4 with dual 140mm Noctua Chromax fans running full speed. During video encoding with Vidcoder, every core of the 1950X is pushing about 100%. Maybe in less cpu intensive tasks. I have experimented with the volts for a long time and cannot push more than 1.24 (1.23750) volts without temps passing 68C. Pushing the 1950X past 3.7Ghz at this voltage results in an unstable overclock, not even 3.8Ghz. I originally started with the Enermax Liqtech TR4 360. Total garbage...Went through two and both leaked and didn't cool better than my setup now even before they weren't leaking. I've seen people boast 3.9-4.1Ghz overclocks online. I don't know what applications they are using but the way Vidcoder pushes every core of the 1950X, averaging 230 watts can't keep the temps lower than 68C. Even with my current overclock the temps get up to 71C when the ambient room temp is warm.
3950x smokes .. no.. obliterates the 1950x. It shits down its throat then pisses in its face.
Ive owned all of these chips.
I have a 3960x and it smokes everything under it and in some special ways everything above it.
To me the best CPU AMD has ever made is the 3900x and the 3960x.
3950x smokes .. no.. obliterates the 1950x. It shits down its throat then pisses in its face.
Ive owned all of these chips.
I have a 3960x and it smokes everything under it and in some special ways everything above it.
To me the best CPU AMD has ever made is the 3900x and the 3960x.
Do you game? If so how did you find the move from 3950x to 3960x? I'm looking to buy one of these (finally moving away from X58), and am seriously considering the 3960x as I also do a lot of compiling and the TRX40 looks more future-proof, but I also want something that performs well for 144Hz gaming and also VR (so again up to 144Hz double frames).
Do you game? If so how did you find the move from 3950x to 3960x? I'm looking to buy one of these (finally moving away from X58), and am seriously considering the 3960x as I also do a lot of compiling and the TRX40 looks more future-proof, but I also want something that performs well for 144Hz gaming and also VR (so again up to 144Hz double frames).
The 3960X is almost twice the price as the 3950X. I'm going wo wait a few months and see what the Zen 3 chips offer. I like to push the overclock of the processor only as far as it is SAFE without going nuts and with air cooling. Not interested in the headaches of custom water loop and AIOs can't cool better than the Thermalright. AMD says the max. safe temp for the 1950X is 68C. Do you know what it is for the 3950X and 3960X?EDIT:
The 3960X does seem to scale pretty well in Handbrake (anandtech seems to be wrong about that.)
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...x-3960x-intel-10980xe-cascade-lake-cpu-review
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-threadripper-3970x-review/5
It's probably the older version they're using.
And I agree that 3.7 ghz is fine. The most you'll gain is a 10% performance increase at 4.1 ghx, and for that, you'll increase power consumption by 200w That last 10% frequency bump comes with massive additional costs. Which is why people like you are crazy enough to build custom loops (damn the power consumption, full-speed ahead)
The best upgrade path for the OP is to save up for the 3960x, or wait for Zen 3 to bump up the 4950x up closer to 24-core Zen 2 levels.
You are the first person I heard pushing the 1950X past 68C and much hotter at 85C. Excessive heat profoundly shortens the life of a processor. Plus there is throttling past 68C which is counterintuitive.Why are you worried about staying that cool? It should be fine up to 85C (and above, but those are temps people usually shoot for).
As to the original question, I went from a 1920X to 3950X, it was a very large jump and I got decent money for the tr4 setup on the used market. I reused the psu, ram and cooler (the corsair aio has mounts for both tr4 and am4) so total cost was only around $400.
I also play at 3440x1440p on my Acer x34. Now at this very hi res we all know gpu is the main part but every last game I can throw at it runs @ 100fps which is my gsync fps max.
You are the first person I heard pushing the 1950X past 68C and much hotter at 85C. Excessive heat profoundly shortens the life of a processor. Plus there is throttling past 68C which is counterintuitive.
This is not true. The Acer X34 Predator can do 120Hz via overclocking the panel. This feature is accessible in it's menus. My Alienware has the same panel if I recall correctly. It works great. Aside from that, the 3950X is just fine for gaming, if not better than anything AMD has for that purpose by virtue of its boost clocks being the highest of any CPU it offers. That said, I agree. The 3960X is better in just about every other way, but you pay for that extra performance. The CPU alone is about double the price and the motherboard's cost of entry is quite a bit higher. Then of course, you need four DIMMs to enable quad-channel memory support. Your cooling solution will also need to be a lot beefier to handle a 24c/48t CPU.
I don’t understand. Any of these CPUs are going to be great for gaming. No one needs more than 120fps. Unless you have superman eyes. It’s all just for epenis
I don’t understand. Any of these CPUs are going to be great for gaming. No one needs more than 120fps. Unless you have superman eyes. It’s all just for epenis
I don’t understand. Any of these CPUs are going to be great for gaming. No one needs more than 120fps. Unless you have superman eyes. It’s all just for epenis