AMD: Sorry, No Official Ryzen Drivers for Windows 7

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Stoly said:
I assume the problem is the chipset not the CPU.
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The message that appeared during Microsoft's compatibility test from Win7 to Win10, wrote clearly: "CPU" nothing else, either hardware nor software was mentioned (*i just don't remember the exact text, if the word "incompatibility" were used or not, but the CPU had been clearly mentioned as the cause of the update's failure )
 
Delicieuxz said:
That's particularly odd, since Windows 10 is definitively less configurable than Windows 7, while the documented evidence shows that it is also less stable, and less secure than Windows 7. And the only evidence I've seen comparing Windows 10 AU to Windows 7 shows that Windows 7 uses less system resources than Win 10.
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I won't argue configurability as I can see the point there, but documented evidence that 10 is less stable and secure than Windows 7? The issue of stability is very much a case by case issue. In certain situations 7 might be more stable than 10 and vice versa in other situations.
 
vegeta535 said:
Yes as just a every day desktop it is fine. Graphic drivers are crap for it. None of the big professional productivity suit like Adobe and final cut work natively in Linux. That's nice that 1/3 work but what about the other 2/3? 95% of up coming AAA won't support Linux. If it does it won't be for at least a year after release. Not hating on you for using Linux but it just will never take over like some keep thinking it will.
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Hi All

Never say Never.
 
Delicieuxz said:
That's particularly odd, since Windows 10 is definitively less configurable than Windows 7, while the documented evidence shows that it is also less stable, and less secure than Windows 7. And the only evidence I've seen comparing Windows 10 AU to Windows 7 shows that Windows 7 uses less system resources than Win 10.
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Yeah, the whole "not allowing users to remove stuff they don't want", "automatically resetting settings that users explicitly set as something else because they are better for Microsoft" and lack of "policies" for Win 10 Pro all mean that Windows 10 is the least configurable Windows OS in a long time.
 
Nenu said:
Have you got the exclusive?
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Hi All

No exclusive, just have experienced enough life to know when the word "never" is used , more times than not the person or group that used it, winds up eating crow
 
jtm55 said:
Hi All

No exclusive, just have experienced enough life to know when the word "never" is used , more times than not the person or group that used it, winds up eating crow
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I mean the exclusive on saying never.
You said never say never.
But you said it twice!
Why cant we say it?
:p
 
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Sith'ari said:
Nope. My current OS is Windows7 64-bit. For some reason there is a conflict between Athlon64 FX-60 and windows 10.
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Versions of Windows for x64 prior to Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 offer the following:

  • 8 TB of virtual address space per process, accessible from both user mode and kernel mode, referred to as the user mode address space. An x64 program can use all of this, subject to backing store limits on the system, and provided it is linked with the "large address aware" option.[71] This is a 4096-fold increase over the default 2 GB user-mode virtual address space offered by 32-bit Windows.[72][73]
  • 8 TB of kernel mode virtual address space for the operating system.[72] As with the user mode address space, this is a 4096-fold increase over 32-bit Windows versions. The increased space primarily benefits the file system cache and kernel mode "heaps" (non-paged pool and paged pool). Windows only uses a total of 16 TB out of the 256 TB implemented by the processors because early AMD64 processors lacked a CMPXCHG16B instruction.[74]
Under Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2, both user mode and kernel mode virtual address spaces have been extended to 128 TB.[20] These versions of Windows will not install on processors that lack the CMPXCHG16B instruction.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Windows

Microsoft says the requirement was for security concerns, so they could be using that instruction to improve address space layout randomization. Also, the requirement should not be present on 32-bit versions of Windows because the address space is not extended on those versions.
 
Delicieuxz said:
That's particularly odd, since Windows 10 is definitively less configurable than Windows 7, while the documented evidence shows that it is also less stable, and less secure than Windows 7. And the only evidence I've seen comparing Windows 10 AU to Windows 7 shows that Windows 7 uses less system resources than Win 10.
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That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.

Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
 
thebufenator said:
That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.

Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
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Citation needed. Sorry if I'm not going to take your word for it. Where are these outbreaks of attacks happening against Windows 7's kernel?

If anything, Windows 10 is more insecure because its a perpetual beta in a constant state of flux, and MS is opening new attack vectors every time they send more gimmick bloatware marketing-features down the windows 10 update pipe. Windows 7 by contrast is stable and feature-complete, has been around a long time and known vulnerabilities patched.
 
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thebufenator said:
That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.

Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
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Care to back that statement up with some actual facts?
 
DPI said:
Citation needed.
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Uhm.......literally anybody who works in pen testing or the security community can verify this. It is not rocket science. For one, the security model in NT 6.2+ is simply more advanced that NT 6. Logging is more detailed. Its like back when 7 came out, people who stuck to WinXP were also sticking to a more vulnerable OS.
 
thebufenator said:
That is not correct. The newer Windows kernels are more secure than Win 7. Just because you can't customize it the same way you can Win7 does not make it less secure.

Win 7 has many more vulnerabilities than 10.
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Tits Proof or GTFO.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Nah.

I did read that NT 3.51 might be more successful, as it can run more modern 32bit browsers up through ~Firefox2. Spent way more time than was worth it to try to get it to work yesterday, but even after adding all the tweaks I read about online to get it to work, and even trying a special build of Firefox for these older OS:es, I could never get it to work.

Official old builds of Firefox would fail at install with this rather humorous error:

View attachment 16596

The special build for older OS:es didnt have an installer, but rather just a zipped folder. Once manually installing all the DLL's the internet told me I needed, it would still just crash.

It really doesnt seem all that long ago we used these older OS:es, but damn, I had forgotten how clunky these old versions were to use. No scroll wheel support. No keyboard shortcuts (like del, to delete files), almost everything requires going up to the menu, and looking for the thing you want to do (like new Directory, or rename file), having to reboot every time you want to change desktop resolution or color depth, etc. etc.

This walk down memory lane really did a lot to make me appreciate our current OS:es.
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I had a heck of a good time with BeOS back in the day. Was good fun. I didn't use Win 3.1 for very long as I got a free upgrade to win95 with my Packard Bell within months of buying it. :)
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Yeah, the whole "not allowing users to remove stuff they don't want", "automatically resetting settings that users explicitly set as something else because they are better for Microsoft" and lack of "policies" for Win 10 Pro all mean that Windows 10 is the least configurable Windows OS in a long time.
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Microsoft is just trying to encourage you to pirate enterprise edition, to prove you are 1337.
 
Windows 10's spying and update policy is by far the biggest vulnerability and you can't patch that.
 
Delicieuxz said:
That's not true. In 2016, Windows 10 had many more vulnerabilities (172) than Windows 7 (134):

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/717347-and-the-software-with-most-vulnerabilities-in-2016-was…-android/

Here is the "top 20" list:
Product Name Vendor Product Type Vulnerabilities
1 Android Google OS 523
2 Debian Linux Debian OS 319
3 Ubuntu Linux Canonical OS 278
4 Flash Player Adobe Application 266
5 Leap Novell OS 259
6 Opensuse Novell OS 228
7 Acrobat Reader Dc Adobe Application 227
8 Acrobat Dc Adobe Application 227
9 Acrobat Adobe Application 224
10 Linux Kernel Linux OS 217
11 Mac Os X Apple OS 215
12 Reader Adobe Application 204
13 Windows 10 Microsoft OS 172
14 Chrome Google Application 172
15 Iphone Os Apple OS 161
16 Windows Server 2012 Microsoft OS 156
17 Windows 8.1 Microsoft OS 154
18 Windows Rt 8.1 Microsoft OS 139
19 Edge Microsoft Application 135
20 Windows 7 Microsoft OS 134


So, Windows 7 is definitively more secure than Windows 10.
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Hmmm, could have sworn this thread was about Windows 7 support with the Ryzen architecture, guess I was mistaken. :D Windows has been considerably more secure in general, that is just the plain truth.
 
Delicieuxz said:
That's not true. In 2016, Windows 10 had many more vulnerabilities (172) than Windows 7 (134):

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/717347-and-the-software-with-most-vulnerabilities-in-2016-was…-android/

Here is the "top 20" list:

Product Name | Vendor | Product Type | # of vulnerabilities

1 Android Google OS 523
2 Debian Linux Debian OS 319
3 Ubuntu Linux Canonical OS 278
4 Flash Player Adobe Application 266
5 Leap Novell OS 259
6 Opensuse Novell OS 228
7 Acrobat Reader Dc Adobe Application 227
8 Acrobat Dc Adobe Application 227
9 Acrobat Adobe Application 224
10 Linux Kernel Linux OS 217
11 Mac Os X Apple OS 215
12 Reader Adobe Application 204
13 Windows 10 Microsoft OS 172
14 Chrome Google Application 172
15 Iphone Os Apple OS 161
16 Windows Server 2012 Microsoft OS 156
17 Windows 8.1 Microsoft OS 154
18 Windows Rt 8.1 Microsoft OS 139
19 Edge Microsoft Application 135
20 Windows 7 Microsoft OS 134


So, Windows 7 is definitively more secure than Windows 10.




Also a good point. In Windows 10, Microsoft now does all the same things that viruses and malware do. That has to be taken into account when talking about security, since unwanted, non-authorized, and interfering behaviour doesn't become a non-threat just because it's a known software business that's doing it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more than 20 software vulnerabilities in Windows 10 that are related to just Microsoft, which aren't counted in the above list.
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Interesting, So Windows 7 is "more secure" than Windows 10. And Windows 10 is "more secure" than a ton of Linux distros and Android based on a Linux kernel. I'm sure a lot of Linux fans will say that's not the case.
 
vegeta535 said:
Serious question. What do you on your Linux computer that would benefit a Ryzen upgrade over what you have in your signature?
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Gaming mainly. Games on Linux that are ported to Linux from OpenGL generally require extra CPU horsepower and don't scale well with 8 cores. If Ryzen can give me a big boost to performance per core it would be great for me. A GPU upgrade must come first though.
 
heatlesssun said:
Interesting, So Windows 7 is "more secure" than Windows 10. And Windows 10 is "more secure" than a ton of Linux distros and Android based on a Linux kernel. I'm sure a lot of Linux fans will say that's not the case.
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Or it could just be that Microsoft is dropping the ball when it comes to finding and patching vulnerabilities, to quote the link:

EDIT: This list shows how many vulnerabilities were discovered during 2016. It is not a list of how many vulnerabilities went unfixed.
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It's important to maintain context here.
 
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BulletDust said:
Or it could just be that Microsoft is dropping the ball when it comes to finding and patching vulnerabilities, to quote the link:
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Which is my point. You're not looking at the raw numbers on this list and saying Windows 10 is more secure than Ubuntu. And I wouldn't say that either.
 
heatlesssun said:
Which is my point. You're not looking at the raw numbers on this list and saying Windows 10 is more secure than Ubuntu. And I wouldn't say that either.
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Considering most issues are as a result of the meatsack sitting in front of the machine I'm sure both operating system developers do their best to maintain a secure environment. For example, the number of people that use the same dictionary word username and password is just ludicrous!
 
This bothered me at launch.

Now that Windows 7 is EOL, no one should be using it anymore.
 
It's likely that AMD could support Windows 7 if it wanted to, but Microsoft likely discourages the practice by not being willing to work with the hardware vendors to do so. If you want legacy support for operating systems Microsoft will offer it for a time but they make it more cost prohibitive all the time and try to do everything it can to lure customers to the newer operating systems. This is a pragmatic approach on their part. It takes additional resources to support the legacy software and that means having a larger staff. That costs them money and at some point, it's just not viable from a business perspective. Also, you already have that old product. Microsoft is first and foremost a business. They want you to buy their newer products.

It's pretty simple really. I get that some people are hardcore Windows 7 users and hate Windows 10 for various reasons. I get that. I still use a Windows 7 system even though most of mine are Windows 10. The user experience is just nicer on Windows 7 for the most part, but at some point you'll have to move on.
 
What are you guys doing with your PCs that you notice the user experience being all that different between 7, 8, and 10? It's been mostly the same UI for forever. Some of the newer changes to the device management, control panel, etc in Win10 is annoying but for primarily a gaming machine I hardly ever have to touch anything.
 
Rizen said:
What are you guys doing with your PCs that you notice the user experience being all that different between 7, 8, and 10? It's been mostly the same UI for forever. Some of the newer changes to the device management, control panel, etc in Win10 is annoying but for primarily a gaming machine I hardly ever have to touch anything.
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Having a start menu is a big one. Windows 8 and even 8.1 don't have a start menu to speak of. 10 does, but it's very different than the Windows 7 version is.
 
Rizen said:
What are you guys doing with your PCs that you notice the user experience being all that different between 7, 8, and 10? It's been mostly the same UI for forever. Some of the newer changes to the device management, control panel, etc in Win10 is annoying but for primarily a gaming machine I hardly ever have to touch anything.
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Not sure if you are trolling or really have no clue. It totally changed. That is why Startisback, openshell, classicshell, etc all started. It made 8/10 a better OS that is more like 7.
 
M76 said:
Oh look at the necromancers.

Windows 7 will be EOL when people stop using it, now it's just end of support.
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End of support == end of life. Software that is not patched should not be used by anyone for any reason.

Software needs to be actively maintained in order to remain viable. It's not like a physical item you can make once, and then use indefinitely.

Delicieuxz said:
Security updates for Windows 7 will continue to be available until 2023.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...rrow-but-also-officially-continue-until-2023/

https://forums.mydigitallife.net/th...-extended-security-updates-eligibility.80606/
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Isn't this just for embedded and special long term licenses?

If it is available for home users, then that is great.

Personally I'd just rather use classic shell on Windows 10 though.

Don't get me wrong, there are lots of things about Windows 10 I don't like, but I only use Windows for games at this point, so the drawbacks don't bother me much. I dual boot to it, launch a game, and then when I am done withthe game, boot back into my main OS again.
 
grtitan said:
Damn, I am late, the Windows 10 worshipers are here already.

Why is so hard for people to understand that some people have (good) reasons to hate windows 10 or love Windows 7?

On topic, thats foul on AMD part to ignore an OS that still commands such a huge user base.

The funny thing is, the conspiracy theorist in me see things like this as more proof that someone very high up there, think past microsoft, really wants the whole world on W10, so they can have an even closer access to you.

Oh well.



Too soon, bro, I am still mourning those two....
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It is about a business spending money on a non-supported OS that really is not a big part of the market anymore except for the odd end user who might want to hold onto it for dear life because they are [H], the same people who said Windows 7 sucks and they will never let XP go..wonder where they are now?

Reality is, [H] are a small segment of AMD and MS's market and money makers, so they likely really don't care...
 
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