Tesla Unveils Radical Cybertruck.


i cant tell much about that testt, fi the F150 is in RWD only etc but regardless the cyberrtuck will destroy it in basically every metic but it is
a nice demonstration. Electric motors are the future, there will be deniers with their head in the sand or sceptics but at the end of the day, it will win and change is coming very fast and people are scared and defence is a natural response.


When is it the last time a prius or Honda CR-V has caused so much controversy
 
i cant tell much about that testt, fi the F150 is in RWD only etc but regardless the cyberrtuck will destroy it in basically every metic but it is
a nice demonstration. Electric motors are the future, there will be deniers with their head in the sand or sceptics but at the end of the day, it will win and change is coming very fast and people are scared and defence is a natural response.


When is it the last time a prius or Honda CR-V has caused so much controversy

Deep in the heart of Ford/GM/Dodge Truck divisions, the alarm bells should be ringing, because this strikes at their last stronghold in the market.

A segment that is marketed on strength, durability, aggressive toughness.

This is a cross between a Hummer H1 (AKA the real one) and Lamborghini.

It stronger, tougher, more aggressive, carries more load, pulls more weight.

It out-trucks, the kings of the truck market...
 
My personal take is that it is ugly as sin but the specs are the real deal.

So IF I needed a truck and I lived in a place with ubiquitous enough charging stations, then I would totally give this a try.
 
They need to add an optional lift kit, fake exhaust stacks, and "roll coal" option (maybe keep a reservoir full of black chalk dust or something in the fake exhaust stacks) for it to hook the rednecks in my home state (KY). Would be hilarious to see a Tesla truck roll coal on a hicked'out diesel truck too, haha. I guarantee it will be on Youtube soon after the truck launches.
 
Tesla isn't just buying off the shelf cells anymore for their cars.

Tesla does extensive battery research and build batteries in partnership with Panasonic at their Gigafactory.

but it doesn't, panasonic owns and makes the batteries, TSLA just assembles the battery packs. Not sure where you are getting that info? What battery tech do they have that nobody else does exactly?
 
People have mentioned aero who have no business discussing aero.
Yes the wheels/tyres are shit for aero, BUT the frontal cross section is actually quite reasonable.
The upright/stubby front part is also smaller than almost any other vehicle in any remotely comparable size bracket. The windscreen angle (the biggest factor for aero when frontal cross section is comparable) is a large part of why this truck gets 500 miles range and weighs what it will, without having to look like the same, common melted soap bar bullshit that people seem to not get enough of.

p.s. the only option missing is a damn winch.

Agreed. If you ignore the sharp edges, the overall shape is as close to teardrop as road cars get. Shots from above reveal the sides taper gently and consistently from front to back: perfect.

Now when considering the edges, there is really only one edge of concern, and that the roof peak where it transitions from windscreen going up, to the rear trailing down. This is potentially where they air-stream detaches, if it stays detached in this large area, then it's going to significantly hurt aerodynamics. If it stays attached, or reattaches without much turbulence, it's going to have really good aerodynamics. I am betting they have at least modelled they are getting reattachment with minimal turbulance.

Also I don't think that edge will be sharp. Seen from side it looks pointy where the stainless edges join, but seen from above, it isn't a stainless join. It can be more gentle curve.

CyberAero.jpg
 
Deep in the heart of Ford/GM/Dodge Truck divisions, the alarm bells should be ringing, because this strikes at their last stronghold in the market.

A segment that is marketed on strength, durability, aggressive toughness.

This is a cross between a Hummer H1 (AKA the real one) and Lamborghini.

It stronger, tougher, more aggressive, carries more load, pulls more weight.

It out-trucks, the kings of the truck market...

The big 3 wont even care that it exists, for one it's not out yet and another is TESLA lacks the ability to build these in numbers that would threaten them.
 
The big 3 wont even care that it exists, for one it's not out yet and another is TESLA lacks the ability to build these in numbers that would threaten them.

I see your point but concern should at least be in their minds. Fuel/oil consumption is the biggest downfall of a truck. If Tesla can really deliver the power/abilities they claim with the range, they can shift the tides quickly. I wouldn't underestimate their production abilities either, the model 3 taught them a lot.

The original Tesla roadster was an awful, abysmal, horrid failure. That failure though triggered a electric car phase that every major auto manufacturer has been desperate to keep up with. They also should not underestimate Elon.
 
but it doesn't, panasonic owns and makes the batteries, TSLA just assembles the battery packs. Not sure where you are getting that info? What battery tech do they have that nobody else does exactly?

That isn't the case at all. Tesla does their own battery research and they are partners on the cell production.

Tesla May Soon Have a Battery That Can Last a Million Miles

Within the EV industry, battery chemistries are a closely guarded secret. So why would Dahn’s research group, which signed its exclusive partnership with Tesla in 2016, give away the recipe for such a seemingly singular battery? According to a former member of Dahn’s team, the likely answer is that Tesla already has at least one proprietary battery chemistry that outperforms what’s described in the benchmark paper. Indeed, shortly after the paper came out, Tesla received a patent for a lithium-ion battery that is remarkably similar to the one described in the paper. Dahn, who declined to comment for this article, is listed as one of its inventors.
Tesla completes Maxwell acquisition, ushers another era of battery breakthroughs

Maxwell has previously stated that its dry electrode technology has demonstrated an energy density of 300 Wh/kg, and that it had “identified” a path to path to 500 Wh/kg. A Tesla Model 3 battery pack, on the other hand, has an energy density of 272 Wh/liter, with the 2170 cells producing 207 Wh/kg, according to Extreme Tech.


I first read about the Tesla research at Dalhousie University a couple of years ago, where they were doing accelerated testing on dozens of battery chemistry variations for them. Tesla has been involved in tweaking of their cell chemistry for years.

This is definitely NOT a case where they just purchase cells from Panasonic.
 
The big 3 wont even care that it exists, for one it's not out yet and another is TESLA lacks the ability to build these in numbers that would threaten them.

It's possible they are all managed by fools and are ignoring a massive threat. Tesla's truck beats them in practically every spec, and has potentially a million mile drive train, and a super tough stainless body that will last a lifetime.

Though should be quaking in their boots. It won't arrive in volume for a few years, but it takes longer than that for the legacy automakers to embrace change.

The Model S arrived in 2012, and it's only now that serious competitors are starting to arrive (Porsche Taycan).

Ask Nokia and RIM how ignoring upstart disruptive competition works out.
 
Agreed. If you ignore the sharp edges, the overall shape is as close to teardrop as road cars get. Shots from above reveal the sides taper gently and consistently from front to back: perfect.

Now when considering the edges, there is really only one edge of concern, and that the roof peak where it transitions from windscreen going up, to the rear trailing down. This is potentially where they air-stream detaches, if it stays detached in this large area, then it's going to significantly hurt aerodynamics. If it stays attached, or reattaches without much turbulence, it's going to have really good aerodynamics. I am betting they have at least modelled they are getting reattachment with minimal turbulance.

Also I don't think that edge will be sharp. Seen from side it looks pointy where the stainless edges join, but seen from above, it isn't a stainless join. It can be more gentle curve.

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I mentioned that aero should be worse than the Model 3 and S as a way to try and estimate the battery pack size based on the stated range, and I believe I was the only one to have mentioned aerodynamics. Granted, there is at least one member on this thread that I have blocked on this thread so maybe one of them brought it up.
 
That isn't the case at all. Tesla does their own battery research and they are partners on the cell production.

Tesla May Soon Have a Battery That Can Last a Million Miles

Within the EV industry, battery chemistries are a closely guarded secret. So why would Dahn’s research group, which signed its exclusive partnership with Tesla in 2016, give away the recipe for such a seemingly singular battery? According to a former member of Dahn’s team, the likely answer is that Tesla already has at least one proprietary battery chemistry that outperforms what’s described in the benchmark paper. Indeed, shortly after the paper came out, Tesla received a patent for a lithium-ion battery that is remarkably similar to the one described in the paper. Dahn, who declined to comment for this article, is listed as one of its inventors.
Tesla completes Maxwell acquisition, ushers another era of battery breakthroughs

Maxwell has previously stated that its dry electrode technology has demonstrated an energy density of 300 Wh/kg, and that it had “identified” a path to path to 500 Wh/kg. A Tesla Model 3 battery pack, on the other hand, has an energy density of 272 Wh/liter, with the 2170 cells producing 207 Wh/kg, according to Extreme Tech.


I first read about the Tesla research at Dalhousie University a couple of years ago, where they were doing accelerated testing on dozens of battery chemistry variations for them. Tesla has been involved in tweaking of their cell chemistry for years.

This is definitely NOT a case where they just purchase cells from Panasonic.


All my research shows that is absolutely not the case. TSLA leases out space in gigafactory for Panasonic owned production lines. They currently make no batteries, only assemble the packs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/tes...ery-cells-to-reduce-panasonic-dependency.html
 
All my research shows that is absolutely not the case. TSLA leases out space in gigafactory for Panasonic owned production lines. They currently make no batteries, only assemble the packs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/tes...ery-cells-to-reduce-panasonic-dependency.html

It's a partnership, they jointly produce the cells, Tesla exclusively builds the packs:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/battery-cell-production-begins-gigafactory
Today at the Gigafactory, Tesla and Panasonic begin mass production of lithium-ion battery cells, which will be used in Tesla’s energy storage products and Model 3.

The high performance cylindrical “2170 cell” was jointly designed and engineered by Tesla and Panasonic to offer the best performance at the lowest production cost in an optimal form factor for both electric vehicles and energy products.
 
I mean I have no doubt the thing is gonna pull an F-150 (it weighs more and has all that instant torque) but I like how they start pulling the F-150 backwards first to really make sure it just spins the tires.
 
I mean I have no doubt the thing is gonna pull an F-150 (it weighs more and has all that instant torque) but I like how they start pulling the F-150 backwards first to really make sure it just spins the tires.

I agree. That's just a marketing stunt. Doesn't take anything away from Cybertruck. Everyone does marketing stunts.
 
i cant tell much about that testt, fi the F150 is in RWD only etc but regardless the cyberrtuck will destroy it in basically every metic but it is
a nice demonstration. Electric motors are the future, there will be deniers with their head in the sand or sceptics but at the end of the day, it will win and change is coming very fast and people are scared and defence is a natural response.


When is it the last time a prius or Honda CR-V has caused so much controversy

F150 tires are much smaller than the Cybertruck, that alone makes a massive difference.
 
I mean I have no doubt the thing is gonna pull an F-150 (it weighs more and has all that instant torque) but I like how they start pulling the F-150 backwards first to really make sure it just spins the tires.
Looked to me like they both floored throttle at same time, but F-150 has a lag before power is finally delivered to wheels.

In any case there's no version of this stunt - no change to the parameters you could make - that the Hummer-Lambo doesn't destroy the F-150, I reckon. There's just more raw power and it's more immediate.
 
Looked to me like they both floor throttled at same time, but the F-150 has a lag before it's delivered to wheels.

In any case there's no version of this stunt - no change to the parameters - that the Hummer-Lambo doesn't destroy the F-150 - there's just more raw power.

Raw power means nothing in this demonstration. All your proving is who has more traction then the other.
 
The tesla would win even if it was on gravel. The anti-spin etc on teslas are unbeliable. Indistinguishable from magic really.
 
I finally got a chance to look at it a little more in depth besides just the images. I freaking love the built in ramp and rolling trunk cover. Real world tests are needed and I would never buy a 1st year model, but I'm not hating it even though it's design is spaceship like. Holding further opinion until I can see it in person.
 
Raw power means nothing in this demonstration. All your proving is who has more traction then the other.

Hence the different tire sizes, the cybertruck’s look quite a bit larger in the video. Bigger tires = better traction.
 
If 250k are pre-ordered, I'm sure the aftermarket will go nuts overnight for parts to make it look better.
I'd first look for mirrors and then rockets on the sides.
 
If 250k are pre-ordered, I'm sure the aftermarket will go nuts overnight for parts to make it look better.
I'd first look for mirrors and then rockets on the sides.
Doesn't need mirrors. They're anticipating regs being changed for camera based sideview.
 
Apparently there is a solar option, providing up to 15 miles range per day.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/22/teslas-cybertruck-will-have-a-solar-charging-option-says-musk/

I'll take one for the zombie apocalypse. You can always throw a generator that runs the fuel of your choice in the bed. Not to power it while running, but you can run the generator to charge while stopped.

That generator would just tell all the zombies where lunch was being served...

But yeah, 15m range per day could help keep from getting stranded in the middle of nowhere. Maybe get you to a highway or cell coverage and call for a quick charge or a tow.
 
If 250k are pre-ordered, I'm sure the aftermarket will go nuts overnight for parts to make it look better.
I'd first look for mirrors and then rockets on the sides.

Will be interesting to see what sticks. Today trucks top 3 are exhaust, pushbar/lights and POWAH. Cybertruck. More power not really doable, exhaust doesn't exist, more weight/lights drops your range (if a concern).

I guess body wraps will explode.
 
Will be interesting to see what sticks. Today trucks top 3 are exhaust, pushbar/lights and POWAH. Cybertruck. More power not really doable, exhaust doesn't exist, more weight/lights drops your range (if a concern).

Lift kits and big fat tires are also up there. Cybertruck already looks like it has big tires but I doubt aftermarket can do much with the standard air suspension.

I guess body wraps will explode.
 
Will be interesting to see what sticks. Today trucks top 3 are exhaust, pushbar/lights and POWAH. Cybertruck. More power not really doable, exhaust doesn't exist, more weight/lights drops your range (if a concern).

I guess body wraps will explode.
Didn't think of body wraps, but I bet the guys that do them will love these things since it's a big vehicle with just about no contours to deal with. Cha-ching!
 
LOL, "Best Work truck ever"

Yup didnt know best worktruck ever also was priced over what a typical work truck starts at...
 
but it doesn't, panasonic owns and makes the batteries, TSLA just assembles the battery packs. Not sure where you are getting that info? What battery tech do they have that nobody else does exactly?

ummm Tesla just bought out Maxwell Technologies? A market leader.
 
I finally got a chance to look at it a little more in depth besides just the images. I freaking love the built in ramp and rolling trunk cover. Real world tests are needed and I would never buy a 1st year model, but I'm not hating it even though it's design is spaceship like. Holding further opinion until I can see it in person.

the whole reason for the launch is so mules can take to the road now and do real world testing. Its not like you can keep it under wraps otherwise.
 
It's a 1/2 ton competitor, not a HD competitor. No 1/2 ton is going to be pulling 5th wheels, and none are rated for more than about 12k.

Model X loses about half its range towing ~4k lbs. Depending on the weight of the Cybertruck, I would expect 50% range loss in the neighborhood of 6-8k lbs.



A large majority of the population is in urban/suburban areas though. Also, I will probably not buy anything newer than ~2012, damn cars have gotten way too locked down.


Ford, GM, and Chevy have gotten super ugly, but I think the new Rams have a nice front end design.


That's a huge truck to be competing against smaller vehicles. At least that's the impression I get from it (very long). I'll pass until the hey can get those low poly counts figured out. It would probably be able to replace my 1983 f250 gasser in most cases though, but I feel it would take many years to pay back that price difference even with the crappy mileage of an old beater.
 
Didn't think of body wraps, but I bet the guys that do them will love these things since it's a big vehicle with just about no contours to deal with. Cha-ching!

Since that is what I do for a living.....

Yes - the body does look about as easy as it can get for a wrap.

This was brought up on accessories adding weight. A wrap does add a bit too. On something larger like a full size truck, we install about 30 to 40lbs of vinyl/ink/laminate if it is a full wrap.
 
That's a huge truck to be competing against smaller vehicles. At least that's the impression I get from it (very long). I'll pass until the hey can get those low poly counts figured out. It would probably be able to replace my 1983 f250 gasser in most cases though, but I feel it would take many years to pay back that price difference even with the crappy mileage of an old beater.

In terms of dimensions, it is approximately the same size as a standard crew cab 5.5 foot bed half ton pickup truck. It gets away with a 6.5 foot bed by having a super short front end.
 
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