Tesla Unveils Radical Cybertruck.

Not sure what regenerative breaking is. I was talking about the old light systems on bicycles where the motion of the wheels generates electricity to run a headlight. Instead using the energy to run a headlight, on a car or truck the motion of the wheels connected to generators would charge the batter while moving.

That's regen braking, already on standard on electrics. It only recovers minimal power though.
 
Looks like something out of robocop

Or you know, Blade Runner as Musk has been saying for about a year:
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Damn that black is kicking it. I would pick that color.

AFAICT, there are no colors to choose. There is no paint.

You can have it any color as long as it's Naked Stainless steel.

But yeah, black elevates the bad-ass level to 11.

There is talk of wrapping it. I don't know if that was something Tesla was actually involved in.

The thing that worried me about wrapping in the past is damaging the paint, but there are no worries about that here. :)
 
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My drafting triangle is filing a lawsuit against Musky Industries for copyright infringement.
 
What I don't understand is, why haven't they put electric generators on the wheels, like the old bicycles with the lights yet? So you can be generating a charge while you are driving.

There is no such thing as free energy. If there is something that is inside the wheel that is pulling power from it, that means it requires that much more power to actually drive the wheels. Electric motors are capable of being used as generators, which is something hybrids have relied on for a long time now to get their city mileage to match highway mileage.

As for motors inside the wheel... The tech is still being developed. Current ones are heavy and lack power. New ones coming soon promise to be able to allow something like a Corvette to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds.
 
AFAICT, there are no colors to choose. There is no paint.

You can have it any color as long as it's Naked Stainless steel.

But yeah, black elevates the bad-ass level to 11.
The black looks like cattleprod-wielding cyberpolice are going to get out of it to ask you if you like your front teeth, because it's past curfew.

If I can get it in black I'll get to the dealership to drag my runny nose across the paperwork tomorrow.
 
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You touched on why i'm currently against EV's. It's the repair problem.

You are correct - EV's should be WAY easier to repair. The issue is that they are all so locked down that they are 100% consumable products like a iPhone at this point.

As for ICE lasting; It's only the insane regulations that will kill it, and which are punishing normal people instead of major industry. Everyone seems to ignore that when it comes to oil and CO2 emissions it's not personal vehicles that contribute in a major way, it's commercial/industry. There should be no issue allowing ICE powered vehicles for personal transportation being allowed to exist and loosening the insane EPA standards coming down the road, and actually fixing the CO2 problem by regulating those things that actually contribute to the pollution far more like supercontainer ships, the plastics industry, etc.

Yes and idiots think you can play around with 800v DC 100KWh power packs like tinkering with a petrol engine. You have absolutely no fkn idea of the danger you are messing with. There are no close calls if you f up, you are dead.
 
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Not sure what regenerative breaking is. I was talking about the old light systems on bicycles where the motion of the wheels generates electricity to run a headlight

That uses human power to generate electrical power, even if it's not much it means you have to pedal that much more to do that but it does slow the bike down even if it's a tiny amount (light doesn't use much power). On a car, you want to minimize how much energy you use in order to make the thing move, so you don't want anything pulling energy out of the movement, aka slowing it down, if you still want to keep going. Now if you are trying to stop, then yeah regenerative braking basically makes the electric motors that move each wheel act as an electric dynamo and it recharges the batteries. However if you're moving, you don't want any additional resistance like generating electricity from the movement.
 
I wonder what the rational for the shape is, surely it's not more aerodynamic or anything like that.
 
Dude, that is is so ready for the apocalypse lmao.
And Mars.

Bullet proof, rust proof, 6 seater, air suspension, excellent speed, will drive itself, excellent ground clearance, good range, suddenly it's the best value proposition in the Tesla lineup if you arent turned off by the low poly count. Elon tweeted a 2-person electric ATV will be an option.

And seems to beat Rivian handily, not that I know anything about that company.

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Yes and idiots think you can play around with 800v DC 100KWh power packs like tinkering with a petrol engine. You have absolutely no fkn idea of the danger you are messing with. There are no close calls if you f up, you are dead.

I do have an idea, thanks. Concern of safety isn't a valid reason that everything on an EV should be locked down. You are literally making excuses to keep EV's disposable products.

That's like saying no one should work on their ICE car because they might drop the engine on their face somehow when they are pulling it out. Or that no one should be allowed to change the wheels/tires on their car because they might not jack/lift it properly and drop it on their face.

The more I think about it the more your comment just angers me.
 
And Mars.

Bullet proof, rust proof, 6 seater, air suspension, excellent speed, will drive itself, excellent ground clearance, good range, suddenly it's the best value proposition in the Tesla lineup if you arent turned off by the low poly count. Elon tweeted a 2-person electric ATV will be an option.

And seems to beat Rivian handily, not that I know anything about that company.

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The price is indeed the most impressive thing about it IMO. The Model S achieves its 300+ mile range with a 100 kwh battery pack. The Cybertruck has larger, less aerodynamic tires with higher rolling friction, is generally larger and heavier, almost definitely has a higher drag coefficient, and has a higher ride height. The 300 mile range model is almost certainly packing at least 140 kwh, and I would venture to guess it's closer to 160 kwh. 160 kwh in a $50,000 is an impressive feat, especially considering this is not a barebones truck.

IMO, the Rivian is more of a Colorado/Ranger competitor, while the Cybertruck aims squarely at the half tons.
 
I do have an idea, thanks. Concern of safety isn't a valid reason that everything on an EV should be locked down. You are literally making excuses to keep EV's disposable products.

That's like saying no one should work on their ICE car because they might drop the engine on their face somehow when they are pulling it out. Or that no one should be allowed to change the wheels/tires on their car because they might not jack/lift it properly and drop it on their face.

The more I think about it the more your comment just angers me.

They are not disposible, Tesla give an industry leading 10yr warranty on battery packs and drivelines. There is literally no reason to touch the dam thing.

They won't even let repair shops touch their cars who don't know what they are doing. Here in Australia we can't even touch 240v wiring without a license and you want free reign to mess around with 800v DC which is far more dangerous.

Then you have dickheads like Rich Rebuilds taking apart Tesla's with cutlery which really inspires confidence to let people DIY.
 
Then you have dickheads like Rich Rebuilds taking apart Tesla's with cutlery which really inspires confidence to let people DIY.
One of these days Rich is going to ride the lightning, and loved ones will come home to something roughly resembling a corpse, medium well.

What's that saying? You mess with the bull, you get the horns.
 
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No. Its been on the Prius since 1997

Ironically, it seems the first appearance of Regen braking was on a 1967 AMC concept (Amitron) that looked like this:
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https://motor-car.net/amc/item/14101-amc-amitron-concept

"An "energy regeneration brake" system would automatically switch the drive motors to generators as the car slowed so that the batteries could recharge; thus increasing the range of the car to 150 miles (240 km) This was first use of regenerative braking technology in the U.S."
 
Shit i am happy with the 300 mile range. If you are on a long drive, do you not take brakes to chill? lol. I am sure you can take an hour brake after 5 hours of driving and charge this puppy up or charge it up half way with shorter brake. There is nothing out there with that much range for electric. Oh wait you are not buying anyways. That 500 mile range is probably bigger than those gas SUVs with a full tank.

Problem is not every destination allows for recharging and optimal range. San Diego to Ocotillo Wells OHV area is 100miles each way, and there are no superchargers in the desert. Plus you have to climb over a 5000ft pass to get there and back, and climate control is needed. 300mi range is going to be dicey. In an ICE, finding fuel is easy, but off the interstate, a charge point is more difficult. 500mi range starts at 70k, a significant hurdle.


That's regen braking, already on standard on electrics. It only recovers minimal power though.

Regen can recover significant amounts of power. Short hard braking stints recover minimal as most inverters can not handle the current spike that would occur if used fully. Slower stops in the .3G range, similar to downshifting in a manual transmission, do better as the current produced is within the operating limits of the inverter.
 
Can someone explain why they dont put solar panels on every inch of that roof and hood space? I know it would be a drop in the bucket at highway speeds, but when camping or for a day picnic it might just provide the extra charge recovery needed to feel comfortable on the questionable length trip. A few days in the sun on a remote wilderness trip might fully restore your range? Or a day at the job site is supplemented with ongoing charging. Is the return supply from the panels just too low? Or is it a cosmetic choice? (Oh irony)
 
Can someone explain why they dont put solar panels on every inch of that roof and hood space? I know it would be a drop in the bucket at highway speeds, but when camping or for a day picnic it might just provide the extra charge recovery needed to feel comfortable on the questionable length trip. A few days in the sun on a remote wilderness trip might fully restore your range? Or a day at the job site is supplemented with ongoing charging. Is the return supply from the panels just too low? Or is it a cosmetic choice? (Oh irony)

https://hardforum.com/threads/tesla-unveils-radical-cybertruck.1989087/page-3#post-1044402352
 
Problem is not every destination allows for recharging and optimal range. San Diego to Ocotillo Wells OHV area is 100miles each way, and there are no superchargers in the desert. Plus you have to climb over a 5000ft pass to get there and back, and climate control is needed. 300mi range is going to be dicey. In an ICE, finding fuel is easy, but off the interstate, a charge point is more difficult. 500mi range starts at 70k, a significant hurdle.




Regen can recover significant amounts of power. Short hard braking stints recover minimal as most inverters can not handle the current spike that would occur if used fully. Slower stops in the .3G range, similar to downshifting in a manual transmission, do better as the current produced is within the operating limits of the inverter.

The I-pace can do up to 0.4 g regen, and I've heard of development working towards 0.9 g. I can't find any numbers on Tesla's regen rate though, it might be higher than the I-pace.

Can someone explain why they dont put solar panels on every inch of that roof and hood space? I know it would be a drop in the bucket at highway speeds, but when camping or for a day picnic it might just provide the extra charge recovery needed to feel comfortable on the questionable length trip. A few days in the sun on a remote wilderness trip might fully restore your range? Or a day at the job site is supplemented with ongoing charging. Is the return supply from the panels just too low? Or is it a cosmetic choice? (Oh irony)

Up to 15 miles of charging per day. So mostly the second to last option.
 
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Apparently there is a solar option, providing up to 15 miles range per day.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/22/teslas-cybertruck-will-have-a-solar-charging-option-says-musk/

I'll take one for the zombie apocalypse. You can always throw a generator that runs the fuel of your choice in the bed. Not to power it while running, but you can run the generator to charge while stopped.

Thanks for the link - this product gets more interesting to me in this regard. It really extends lifespan before a charge is needed. I work 20 miles away each way - so 40 miles round trip. But I only work from the office three days a week. that's 4 days from home.

If parked outside - regen would give me 15*7 = 105 miles per week - IF always sunny (not happening) -- but it is cool because it's ALMOST to the point I wouldn't need to charge my vehicle with daily work use with this option. Just park on the parking garage roof at work, and in my driveway at home.
 
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Not sure what regenerative breaking is. I was talking about the old light systems on bicycles where the motion of the wheels generates electricity to run a headlight. Instead using the energy to run a headlight, on a car or truck the motion of the wheels connected to generators would charge the battery while moving.
You never owned one of those did you? I did. It made it much more difficult to pedal your bicycle even on flat ground it added so much drag to the wheel. Your bike wouldn't coast any more it constantly slowed when you stopped peddling. There's no such thing a perpetual motion engine. EVERY type of mechanical energy regeneration doodad requires more input energy than it provides as output.
 
The word "truck" to me is synonymous with words like "Work", "Heavy Duty", "Tough" ,"Masculine".
This Tesla Cybertruck looks like a bunch of stoner designers are trying to Virtue Signal in every way imaginable.

The engines are electric. okay great. We dig it.
The body?
That is not "Masculine" "work"
That looks like an 80's cheap sci-fi prop car got stuck in a gay pride parade.
 
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