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Thinking of putting together a B450 based workstation/gaming rig, Any real world benefit going 3600X vs. 2700X?
The 2700X's are dirt cheap atm.
The 2700X's are dirt cheap atm.
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memory controller on the 3000's are generally better than previous .. so something else to think about
Generally?
Try absolutely
Significantly
Night and day
Completely different
(Any other adjective or term here)
I can get over 4000mhz ram without effort on both my 3000 series. 2000 series ok 2999mhz is all your getting.
No generally nothing here folks
Dont mention the fact you get a vastly improved infinity fabric that is unlocked from the cores
You get a significant increase in tech with 7nm
You get 32mb of cache which is absolutely bonkers for 179 dollars
(This alone should blow people's minds but they have no idea what 32mb of cache means for 179 or whatever the price is)
So no generally nothing here
I assume this means 570 MB's?
Also I'm still not sure how significant the 3k series improvements would be for my use case, Image editing and medium duty gaming.
Lastly, stability with Adobe products is very important. Very.
Only reason I'm straying from a super stable Xeon rig towards AMD is curiosity and price.
The 2k series is very established atm it seems and reliable.
Now, that said, there's this:
Are the Ryzen 3rd generation CPUs good for Lightroom Classic?
Absolutely! The 3rd generation Ryzen processors are terrific for Lightroom Classic and were on average about 20% faster than a similarly priced Intel 9th gen processor. And in some cases - primarily exporting and building smart previews - the Ryzen CPUs get close to twice the performance! You may want to skip over the 3800X since the 3700X performs almost exactly the same, but all the other models are great choices.
Whether you are looking for the best performance per dollar, or best overall, the 3rd generation Ryzen processors are currently it. The only caveat is that for many of the active tasks in Lightroom Classic (scrolling through images, switching between modules, etc.), the Intel 9th gen processors do still hold a slight lead. So, if your workflow involves culling through thousands of images, but only exporting a handful of them, there is an argument to be made for using an Intel 9th gen processor.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...adripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1592/
For adobe it seems they favor Intel no matter what AMD comes up with. Insert Conspiracy here.
The chip set whether 570,450,470 etc.... doesn't matter for the chips internal functions. Only PCIe 4.0 is it and that has ZERO value in your equation of Adobe performance. With AMD being 99% system on a chip, the only function the external chipset brings is PCIe interface and bridging in some USB, Ethernet, etc....
If youre doing lightroom to the extent that you have to generate web threads to get opinions, I would wait until tomorrow for the NDA on Threadripper to lift. There might be some absolutely compelling reasons to go with the new 3rd Gen 24 core and I wouldnt be surprised if there isn't Adobe Premier benches which should be representative of the whole stack of adobe products roughly.
Just be wary of fan boy'itis. Even though I am heavily in favor of AMD right now, I absolutely miss my 7820x skylake X chip. It had AVX512 which you cant get anywhere except Xeon and X series desktop Intel stuff. I have no idea if Adobe supports AVX512 but if it does then you might want to get an x299 based platform instead.
I've chimed in enough. Other people should give their opinions so you have a well rounded base to make a decision off of.
So an X370 chipset will be able to overclock the RAM on a 3000 series just fine? I'm only asking because I have a new ASUS Prime-Pro X370 sitting here that I was going to use with a 3600. I have a Micro Center nearby that I'm going to get the 3600 at, and "can" get $30 off a motherboard. So, sell the X370 I have and get something newer, if it would be worthwhile. I will be using Ballistix 3200 CL16 2x8GB for the RAM. Thanks!
Motherboard build quality plays a part in being able to overclock anything .. but the memory controller is on the CPU so that's the biggest part of the equation. I've read a ton of threads of peeps running 3000 series chips on 300 series mobo's ..So an X370 chipset will be able to overclock the RAM on a 3000 series just fine? I'm only asking because I have a new ASUS Prime-Pro X370 sitting here that I was going to use with a 3600. I have a Micro Center nearby that I'm going to get the 3600 at, and "can" get $30 off a motherboard. So, sell the X370 I have and get something newer, if it would be worthwhile. I will be using Ballistix 3200 CL16 2x8GB for the RAM. Thanks!
2700 are cheaper than 2700X OC quite the same but are better for a solid build without any future trouble. 3600 is more expensive, 3700X is great but still only 8 core and with $150 more you get and 3900X. So there it is : get a 3900X or a 2700. It's a matter of choice.2700X if you are to use all of its 16 threads, or else 3600 for the same money. Next best thing is 3700X imho as 3600X is a bit of non-product. Very little to offer for $50 more. 3800X exists to allow AMD to beat 9900K is most apps or else it shouldn't exist either.
2700 are cheaper than 2700X OC quite the same but are better for a solid build without any future trouble. 3600 is more expensive, 3700X is great but still only 8 core and with $150 more you get and 3900X. So there it is : get a 3900X or a 2700. It's a matter of choice.
A 3600 can be had for $180 pretty much any day of the week and $175 pretty regularly, and a 2700 is $175 except Microcenter.
I almost did the same microcenter deal but found this to be cheaper.So an X370 chipset will be able to overclock the RAM on a 3000 series just fine? I'm only asking because I have a new ASUS Prime-Pro X370 sitting here that I was going to use with a 3600. I have a Micro Center nearby that I'm going to get the 3600 at, and "can" get $30 off a motherboard. So, sell the X370 I have and get something newer, if it would be worthwhile. I will be using Ballistix 3200 CL16 2x8GB for the RAM. Thanks!
They average out, more or less. Spend a slight premium to get a 3700x if your on the fence.. A 2700 goes for around $175, and you can find 3600 for around that price as well.. The X is irrelevant, if you can overclock. enable PBO and you essentially have the X processor for free. This is especially true if your using aftermarket cooling. I cool a 3600 with a 2600x Wraith spire with PBO enabled just fine
2700 are cheaper than 2700X OC quite the same but are better for a solid build without any future trouble. 3600 is more expensive, 3700X is great but still only 8 core and with $150 more you get and 3900X. So there it is : get a 3900X or a 2700. It's a matter of choice.
A $250 non-X 3700 would be nice.
What would be the point though? The 3700X is already a 65W part. Maybe slightly lower boost speeds?
Don't you need the "X" for PBO? I could not enable it on my 2600 (non x)
Don't you need the "X" for PBO? I could not enable it on my 2600 (non x)
Motherboard build quality plays a part in being able to overclock anything .. but the memory controller is on the CPU so that's the biggest part of the equation. I've read a ton of threads of peeps running 3000 series chips on 300 series mobo's ..
I run an ASRock x470 and got better memory performance going from a 2700x to a 3700x and able to run 4 x 8GB PC3200 @ 3200 instead of only PC3000.. My wife is on an ASUS Prime B350 and is now able to run 4 x 8GB sticks of PC3200 @ 3200 going from 2200g to a 3400g .. my daughter runs an ASRock B350 Gaming ITX/ac and I had to dial back her 2 x 16GB PC3000 sticks to PC2666 to be stable going from a 2200g to my old 2700x .. so the memory controller in my specific 2700x is a bit pickier with ram and ram configurations as I don't run anything on the QVC list