LG 38GL950G - 37.5" 3840x1600/G-Sync/175Hz

DoubleTap said:
I just took it as silent concession.

I would characterize the weirdness as similar to the soap opera effect - not quite the same, but still weird to me.
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I absolutely consider your opinion valid -- actually, I've been a bit afraid of running across a post where you describe what you're seeing in such a way that I can see it too.

What has been seen cannot be unseen!
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I absolutely consider your opinion valid -- actually, I've been a bit afraid of running across a post where you describe what you're seeing in such a way that I can see it too.

What has been seen cannot be unseen!
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I'd have to watch an OLED more to be able to properly pull a description out of my subconscious.

It's funny that you say that though because I have a habit of calling out things in my wifes decorations that you don't really see until someone points it out and then you can't ever not see it.

This one old shelf - I said the wood work looked like the children of the corn emerging from the cornfield (that was it for the shelf)

I try not to do it, but I kind of can't help it.
 
I don't think there is warranty against burn-in anyway, even for LCDs:

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https://www.dell.com/support/articl...image-retention-or-ghosting-on-my-dell-lcd-tv
 
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Even LCDs can burn in if you're hardcore enough. I know people who would burn out an OLED computer monitor in a week.
 
bigbluefe said:
Even LCDs can burn in if you're hardcore enough. I know people who would burn out an OLED computer monitor in a week.
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Murzilka said:
I don't think there is warranty against burn-in anyway, even for LCDs:

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https://www.dell.com/support/articl...image-retention-or-ghosting-on-my-dell-lcd-tv
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The mechanism for burning in a CRT, Plasma and OLED are relatively easy to understand - individual phosphors wear out or individual LEDs lose brightness.

While it's generally understood that LCDs and Plasma displays can have temporary image retention from either a static charge or a liquid crystal that does not return completely and immediately to neutral, this is a temporary issue so it would make sense not to warrant an LCD for this phenomena.

If you're aware of permanent LCD image retention, I would be very interested to hear you describe the conditions that induce this problem.

I have a few theories:

1. A Technomancer has put a hex on your display
2. A rift in the space time continuum has occurred in the exact location of your faulty pixels, causing them to remain fixed in state through a continual time loop.
3. Bad eyesight.
4. Playing Fortnite.
5. The image retention is actually a secret message from the political prisoners at the Chinese display manufacturing plant.
6. The the backlight was replaced with a very powerful laser by mistake.
7. Urban legends propagated by the OLED cabal.

anyone else?
 
DoubleTap said:
The mechanism for burning in a CRT, Plasma and OLED are relatively easy to understand - individual phosphors wear out or individual LEDs lose brightness.

While it's generally understood that LCDs and Plasma displays can have temporary image retention from either a static charge or a liquid crystal that does not return completely and immediately to neutral, this is a temporary issue so it would make sense not to warrant an LCD for this phenomena.

If you're aware of permanent LCD image retention, I would be very interested to hear you describe the conditions that induce this problem.

I have a few theories:

1. A Technomancer has put a hex on your display
2. A rift in the space time continuum has occurred in the exact location of your faulty pixels, causing them to remain fixed in state through a continual time loop.
3. Bad eyesight.
4. Playing Fortnite.
5. The image retention is actually a secret message from the political prisoners at the Chinese display manufacturing plant.
6. The the backlight was replaced with a very powerful laser by mistake.
7. Urban legends propagated by the OLED cabal.

anyone else?
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I don't think LCDs can have 100% permanent burn in but sure enough they can suffer from temporary image retention as discussed in this thread here:

https://hardforum.com/threads/philips-bdm4350uc-43-inch-4k-ips-pwm-free-monitor.1894807/page-4

and if you want to hate on OLED sellers for not providing a warranty on burn in, well hey LCD makers don't either.

"Now that I checked the PDF user manual, searching for burn-in results in 15 hits, and on two locations of manual, it says about permanent burn-in that "The damage mentioned above is not covered under your warranty.""
 
MistaSparkul said:
I don't think LCDs can have 100% permanent burn in but sure enough they can suffer from temporary image retention as discussed in this thread here:

https://hardforum.com/threads/philips-bdm4350uc-43-inch-4k-ips-pwm-free-monitor.1894807/page-4

and if you want to hate on OLED sellers for not providing a warranty on burn in, well hey LCD makers don't either.

"Now that I checked the PDF user manual, searching for burn-in results in 15 hits, and on two locations of manual, it says about permanent burn-in that "The damage mentioned above is not covered under your warranty.""
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I don't hate anyone. Except commies.
 
MistaSparkul said:
I don't think LCDs can have 100% permanent burn in
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Some LCD panels absolutely do burn in, but generally only with abusive treatment like static interfaces for 12+ hours per day in a storefront or 24 hours per day in an airport.

The commonly held idea that you can do literally whatever you want with an LCD and there won't be any damage is wrong. That said, obviously LCDs are much more resistant to this than CRTs, Plasma, or OLED.

Some IPS panels are really, really prone to temporary image retention as well, which I would consider to be an even worse problem than OLED burn-in. The 2012 rMBP I used to use would retain images after a matter of a few hours, and I'd seen reports of some that were even worse. They shipped millions of those panels anyways.
 
Sancus said:
Some LCD panels absolutely do burn in, but generally only with abusive treatment like static interfaces for 12+ hours per day in a storefront or 24 hours per day in an airport.

The commonly held idea that you can do literally whatever you want with an LCD and there won't be any damage is wrong. That said, obviously LCDs are much more resistant to this than CRTs, Plasma, or OLED.

Some IPS panels are really, really prone to temporary image retention as well, which I would consider to be an even worse problem than OLED burn-in. The 2012 rMBP I used to use would retain images after a matter of a few hours, and I'd seen reports of some that were even worse. They shipped millions of those panels anyways.
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That pic looks nasty, and I'll concede that it could be permanent, but we don't really know as a lot of signage and airport monitors are left on 24/7
 
DoubleTap said:
That pic looks nasty, and I'll concede that it could be permanent, but we don't really know as a lot of signage and airport monitors are left on 24/7
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I mean, it's far from the only pic you'll find of permanent LCD burn-in. It's just that people have this idea that "it's impossible" and so they'll argue someone into the ground even when they state the burn-in appears to be permanent and doesn't go away after days.

I am absolutely not making the case it's common, or likely in any normal consumer scenario, of course. And it certainly seems like some panel designs are more susceptible to it than others.
 
Sancus said:
I mean, it's far from the only pic you'll find of permanent LCD burn-in. It's just that people have this idea that "it's impossible" and so they'll argue someone into the ground even when they state the burn-in appears to be permanent and doesn't go away after days.

I am absolutely not making the case it's common, or likely in any normal consumer scenario, of course. And it certainly seems like some panel designs are more susceptible to it than others.
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I wonder why Samsung could guarantee no burn in for the life of the panel on 2016 SUHD TV`s but others can not.
 
My friend did nothing but farm Scarlet Monestary in WOW for like 12 hours a day for an extended period of time and actually does have permanent burn in on an LCD. I've seen pictures.
 
DoubleTap said:
If you're aware of permanent LCD image retention, I would be very interested to hear you describe the conditions that induce this problem.

I have a few theories:

1. A Technomancer has put a hex on your display
2. A rift in the space time continuum has occurred in the exact location of your faulty pixels, causing them to remain fixed in state through a continual time loop.
3. Bad eyesight.
4. Playing Fortnite.
5. The image retention is actually a secret message from the political prisoners at the Chinese display manufacturing plant.
6. The the backlight was replaced with a very powerful laser by mistake.
7. Urban legends propagated by the OLED cabal.

anyone else?
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Copious sarcasm aside, does anyone else remember that 43" Dell and Phillips nightmare panel from a few years ago (2016)? That thing burned in like crazy.

EDIT: Looks like tons of people have linked it. See, THAT is real and problematic burn-in.
 
Panel said:
Copious sarcasm aside, does anyone else remember that 43" Dell and Phillips nightmare panel from a few years ago (2016)? That thing burned in like crazy.

EDIT: Looks like tons of people have linked it. See, THAT is real and problematic burn-in.
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Panel said:
Copious sarcasm aside, does anyone else remember that 43" Dell and Phillips nightmare panel from a few years ago (2016)? That thing burned in like crazy.

EDIT: Looks like tons of people have linked it. See, THAT is real and problematic burn-in.
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From what I've seen, when it happens, it seems to be limited to specific panels. To me, this suggests a botched formula or process while making those, otherwise, I think it would be more randomly distributed.

In general, if you have a burned in LCD, I think usually have a defective LCD (relative to most LCDs) where as with CRT/Plasma/OLED, we know that even the best examples of those displays are subject to this happening.
 
JFC. Three pages later and people are still arguing about OLED vs LCD burn-in, in a completely unrelated thread.

Might as well create a "Display Burn-in Discussion" sticky so this shit can be debated ad nauseam.
 
gan7114 said:
JFC. Three pages later and people are still arguing about OLED vs LCD burn-in, in a completely unrelated thread.

Might as well create a "Display Burn-in Discussion" sticky so this shit can be debated ad nauseam.
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Lol yeah I said the same thing a while back. I keep checking this thread out because I wanna know how good the response times of this new "1ms" IPS panel is when paired with an actual gsync module to control the overdrive. The GL850 is pretty quick, the fastest IPS to date and that's a freesync display, which means it lacks that finely tuned overdrive that tends to come with real gsync monitors. But instead of getting any of information, all I see is OLED burn-in this burn-in that nuh uh it doesn't happen to LCDs I can abuse it all I want blah blah blah.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Lol yeah I said the same thing a while back. I keep checking this thread out because I wanna know how good the response times of this new "1ms" IPS panel is when paired with an actual gsync module to control the overdrive. The GL850 is pretty quick, the fastest IPS to date and that's a freesync display, which means it lacks that finely tuned overdrive that tends to come with real gsync monitors. But instead of getting any of information, all I see is OLED burn-in this burn-in that nuh uh it doesn't happen to LCDs I can abuse it all I want blah blah blah.
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Yeah, it's off the rails, but I got burned out by "wake me when they make this with OLED, but also in a 4K, 55in version with a different aspect ratio" long before we got to burn in.

That's pretty much what happens when there is a post about a gaming monitor.

"Gsync? Isn't Nvidia dead yet?" [AMD guy]

"Why isn't this OLED (or VA or IPS or made from lasers)?" [Videophile]

"Who would buy this instead of a TV?" [Fun police]

"Looks good except it needs to be taller. Taller.... no, taller - like a 4K TV" [vertical resolution guy]
 
I just think the price is excessive. If this was $1000 and available today, I'd have already bought it. $1000 more than a standard gsync IPS 34" 120hz ultrawide is really pushing it, considering it has no meaningful special features over that aside from resolution and refresh rate.
 
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Sancus said:
Sure, true enough. 20% more screen area isn't THAT much though. It's definitely nice, but again, not really worth the $$$ to me, anyways.
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I won't argue that it's actually worth it; however, for the resolution, I do feel that it represents a better PPI vs view distance vs. 34" ultrawides, and in an otherwise "perfect" monitor on paper, perhaps worth considering.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I won't argue that it's actually worth it; however, for the resolution, I do feel that it represents a better PPI vs view distance vs. 34" ultrawides, and in an otherwise "perfect" monitor on paper, perhaps worth considering.
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It's the same PPI as a 34" UW and 27" 1440p monitor... viewing distance between this and 34" won't be that much difference... yes you're getting more pixels, but as others have pointed out, what you're gaining overall is not matched by the extortionate price tag.
 
bananadude said:
It's the same PPI as a 34" UW and 27" 1440p monitor... viewing distance between this and 34" won't be that much difference... yes you're getting more pixels, but as others have pointed out, what you're gaining overall is not matched by the extortionate price tag.
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I think the added horizontal and vertical resolution is still highly useful and a good compromise vs 32:9 5K x 1440p super ultrawides and 21:9 34-35" ultrawides. US price seems to be down to about $1800 and some further price drops would make it a pretty nice option along the line. But who knows what displays we will have next year.

As said many times in this thread, the only real problem is the cost.
 
Sancus said:
I just think the price is excessive. If this was $1000 and available today, I'd have already bought it. $1000 more than a standard gsync IPS 34" 120hz ultrawide is really pushing it, considering it has no meaningful special features over that aside from resolution and refresh rate.
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It will be $1000 in 3 years.

Just as the 34" monitors that used to be $1500 are now 800-1000

But then there will be something better.
 
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Panel said:
They already exist at 60Hz. In 3 years I’m hoping we have them at 120Hz or more.
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Exactly. The "4K ultrawide" is really 5120 x 2160 which LG dubbed "5K2K" on their display. We will most likely see a 120+ Hz version using DisplayPort 2.0 in the next few years. Hopefully at a larger size too.
 
I'm pretty happy with the 110ppi range. I had a 130ish screen and didn't care for it.

Beyond 1440 or 1600 vertical, the monitor is either too tall or the pixels are too dense/small - I'd rather have a little more width.

Maybe 5120x1600 - I think the CRG9 is a little too wide and most 21:9 (or 10) screens could be a little bit wider for my taste.

Maybe a 43.5" 28:10 - wider than the LG, but not crazy wide like the Samsung:

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DoubleTap said:
I'm pretty happy with the 110ppi range. I had a 130ish screen and didn't care for it.

Beyond 1440 or 1600 vertical, the monitor is either too tall or the pixels are too dense/small
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I think at 130ppi, it’d be too dense/small for comfortable reading, but not high enough for good scaling. When it’s higher than that, you can just turn on text scaling and use it as though it were a smaller monitor with less screen real estate. It’ll just look better.

All I personally want is a 40”-43” ultrawide (standard 21:9 or 24:10), as the current 37.5” version is still just ever so slightly too short. As it stands, I the CRG9 might be best for me, since nothing is really giving me ideal height at the moment.
 
Organik said:
You lose soo much realesate with ultra wide. The physical vertical is couple inches less then a normal monitor. and 2160p is 1600p for example on the upcoming LG 38" IPS Nano Cell 1ms hdr and nvidia g-sync ,,,,,,,, I use a 40" 4k ,,,,, Will the LG be a downgrade or a upgrade lol ?
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It depends. Honestly, I think that it would be pretty difficult to look into the corners of a tall screen like a 40” 16:9. It’s just easier to look side to side as opposed to up and down. With an ultrawide, you don’t have that space on the top and bottom, but in exchange you have more rendered image in games (remember, games don’t render extra on the top and bottom of a 16:9 display, they render less on the sides compared to an ultrawide) and a higher refresh rate.
 
Organik said:
You lose soo much realesate with ultra wide. The physical vertical is couple inches less then a normal monitor. and 2160p is 1600p for example on the upcoming LG 38" IPS Nano Cell 1ms hdr and nvidia g-sync ,,,,,,,, I use a 40" 4k ,,,,, Will the LG be a downgrade or a upgrade lol ?
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Your monitor should not be higher than about eye level.
 
Okay, so I've decided that I'm entirely done with waiting for this to come out. On top of that, I don't even run an Nvidia card.

Do any other high refresh 38" options exist? All the ones I've found are low refresh, productivity monitors.
 
Panel said:
Okay, so I've decided that I'm entirely done with waiting for this to come out. On top of that, I don't even run an Nvidia card.

Do any other high refresh 38" options exist? All the ones I've found are low refresh, productivity monitors.
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No. We'll probably see something next year though, even if not from LG some other company will likely use the panel to make a FreeSync version.
 
That's a great way to put it.

There isn't going to be a truly exceptional computer monitor until we finally get to MicroLED. Backlights are always going to be a problem and image retention is too much of an issue with OLED.
 
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