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Charging overnight is also bad for batteries to the point where the new optimal charging option on the iPhones learns when you generally wake up and holds the battery charge level at 80% until it's closer to when you're about to start the day before charging to 100%.

I just leave it uncharged at 73% when I go to bed, wake up at 71% and am confident it'll last the full day anyway.

Like I said before, I've been manually doing this myself with my 2 XL (with excellent results 18 months later) and really with other OEMs would do something similar to that where we can cap charges at 80% just to save on battery wear. If they didn't all seal the batteries in glass water-tight sandwiches, it wouldn't be a big deal to me since I've replaced my own batteries on my previous One M8 and Nexus 6P that were easier to open up and work on. But they keep making phones harder to repair due to the stupid water resistance and wireless charging that I never really cared about at any point.

I think Sony does something similar to that charging cap though and maybe Huawei, but no one else that I've seen does it.

Here's what my 2 XL's battery health looks like and I got it in March 2018.

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I kind of just expect the battery to need replacement after 2 years anyway, so I don't bother babying my batteries.

If you were able to soft cap them though, it will still give you more total battery capacity throughout its life cycle and I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want that, esp. when Apple makes it so that it requires zero effort on your part.
 
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No one is arguing that more battery life isn't better. it is.

It's just that for most people it is moot.

Most of us charge overnight.

Then we get up, get ready for work, get in our cars and top off the phone in our cars during our drive to work.

Then we spend 8-10 hours in an office, with a second charger at our desks, and plug in to charge every time we sit down.

Followed by the commute home, during which we charge.

By dinner time, I'm usually at 100% charge.

Then I rush around, get dinner in order, do dishes/chores etc. and by the time I am sitting down for either a late night gaming session or to watch some TV or a movie, I am likely no lower than 85% charge, and guess what, I have a charger at my desk at home and a charger next to the couch in the livingroom, so I can charge in both of those places as well.

In normal weekday use my phone probably rarely goes for more than 2 hours without charging.

Sure, weekends and holidays may be different, but rarely am I going anywhere without my car (in which I charge whenever I am in it) or other access to charging. If I am traveling, trains, planes and buses all have charging ports these days (just be sure to bring your USB condom), so I don't have to worry there either.

I'm not the outdoorsy hiking nature type, but I'd imagine that if I were I would be enjoying my hike, not constantly on my phone, so it wouldn't draining much while hiking either.

So much this. ^^^^

This is my point. It not "accepting mediocre battery life". It's called being mindful of my surroundings and knowing what I need. I don't bitch that Pixel 4 only has a 2700mAh battery. I just go not enough for me, but it's plenty for others, and move on without commenting on it to anybody. If I need a huge ass battery I'll go get a phone with a giant ass battery or I'll find a way to charge my phone during the day.
 
No one is arguing that more battery life isn't better. it is.

It's just that for most people it is moot.

Most of us charge overnight.

Then we get up, get ready for work, get in our cars and top off the phone in our cars during our drive to work.

Then we spend 8-10 hours in an office, with a second charger at our desks, and plug in to charge every time we sit down.

Followed by the commute home, during which we charge.

By dinner time, I'm usually at 100% charge.

Then I rush around, get dinner in order, do dishes/chores etc. and by the time I am sitting down for either a late night gaming session or to watch some TV or a movie, I am likely no lower than 85% charge, and guess what, I have a charger at my desk at home and a charger next to the couch in the livingroom, so I can charge in both of those places as well.

In normal weekday use my phone probably rarely goes for more than 2 hours without charging.

Sure, weekends and holidays may be different, but rarely am I going anywhere without my car (in which I charge whenever I am in it) or other access to charging. If I am traveling, trains, planes and buses all have charging ports these days (just be sure to bring your USB condom), so I don't have to worry there either.

I'm not the outdoorsy hiking nature type, but I'd imagine that if I were I would be enjoying my hike, not constantly on my phone, so it wouldn't draining much while hiking either.
And that’s fine. There are people who don’t travel much and usually are within arms length of a charger. But that’s not the case for me, my family, and many of my friends that enjoy traveling multiple times per year for leisure or multiple times per month for work. And I’m not an outlier, there are millions of people who travel frequently, so for many people it’s not moot.

There is nothing more annoying than trying to find an unused outlet at an airport because everyone is charging their phones or laptops. When traveling with others I don’t want to ask if we can stop by somewhere so I can solely charge my phone. I also don’t want to have a clunky battery or a charger in my pocket as I walk miles doing tourist things.

This is all just circling back to Vermillion’s dumb comment saying people shouldn’t bitch about battery life in 2019. Just because he so happens to be someone who doesn’t go out much doesn’t mean the millions of people like me who travel frequently shouldn’t get battery life that doesn’t inconvenience us. Especially since better battery life doesn’t inconvenience his usage at all.
 
Yeah even a day later, I can't see myself too excited about being an early adopter - or even after the inevitable Black Friday price cut (lol). I feel like the 4a - and this is a big if - will provide a far better value proposition, and hopefully carries the same 6GB as the regular 4. For now, I think I'm going to have to consider value shopping for a 1yr stop-gap. Ideally by 2020, Google *finally* starts taking video seriously, and starts making actual improvements to it. Google basically sat on their laurels for stills and allowed Apple to catch up with the XS and 11-generation phones.

That said, I'm going to swing by a TMo store to see if they have samples to use in-store.
 
Yeah even a day later, I can't see myself too excited about being an early adopter - or even after the inevitable Black Friday price cut (lol). I feel like the 4a - and this is a big if - will provide a far better value proposition, and hopefully carries the same 6GB as the regular 4. For now, I think I'm going to have to consider value shopping for a 1yr stop-gap. Ideally by 2020, Google *finally* starts taking video seriously, and starts making actual improvements to it. Google basically sat on their laurels for stills and allowed Apple to catch up with the XS and 11-generation phones.

That said, I'm going to swing by a TMo store to see if they have samples to use in-store.
I’m wondering if Google plans to release an “a” version every year as I feel if there was one planned for next spring it would’ve already fully leaked by now. :ROFLMAO:
 
I'm pretty underwhelmed. Battery life on my OG Pixel and now 3a just hasn't been impressive, with 95% standby time.

The old iPhone 7 I have for work?

Like three or four days when on standby.


If Chinese phones are considered to be competitors, then the politics and the threats involved are a part of the discussion.
 
I kind of just expect the battery to need replacement after 2 years anyway, so I don't bother babying my batteries.
And you don't need to either baby your battery or replace in 2 years if you have:
(a) A larger battery in the first place
(b) Software smart enough to save you from yourself
(c) Efficient hardware

Google should easily be able to ace all three conditions but they don't even try. They only have C (maybe) because Qualcomm happened to have released an efficient SD855.
 
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Meh, as far as I'm concerned, a used mobile device is worthless as soon as the seal on the box it came in is broken.

There should be no expectation of any residual value for tech.
So we should pretty much just get rid of the FS/FT sub-forum here then, huh? I always resell my tech, from smartphones to computer hardware to TVs - easy way to offset costs for what I'm replacing it with. Recently sold my iPhone X 256GB privately for $600. That's nearly 50% residual value after 2 years, far from 'worthless'.

But Google's trade-in value for the Pixel 3 XL is abysmal; $300 for a phone that MSRP'd for $900 1 year ago. Apple at least offers $370 for a 1 year old iPhone XR that was $750. Either way trade-in is always a bad way to go about reselling tech. Apple only offered $400 for the iPhone X I sold privately for $600.
 
TheSlySyl out of curiosity what do you do that requires you to burn through a full battery charge while on the job?
Restaurant Management. Corporate scale, so I sometimes have to work at other locations but be available for anyone who needs to get ahold of me regardless of location or time.

But everyone has always said, I wish my smartphone had a larger battery, and lasted longer throughout the day and night, with not needing to babysit the battery.
Exactly.

I'm not the outdoorsy hiking nature type, but I'd imagine that if I were I would be enjoying my hike, not constantly on my phone, so it wouldn't draining much while hiking either.
You'd imagine that, but I like having my headphones in during regular hikes, listening to music or a podcast and I also like to take pictures using my phone, of which camera is a priority.
Cause, ya know, I live in the year of smartphones.
I don't like running, but I live in an area that has good hikes close enough that I have regular hikes that I do weekly.

For the extreme situations
These are not extreme situations. These are pretty common situations, just because you don't happen to get off your lazy ass long enough to deal with them doesn't mean the rest of the world sits around all day.

In normal weekday use my phone probably rarely goes for more than 2 hours without charging.
Congrats! In a normal day my phone regularly goes 8-10+ hours without charging.
 
Imo the excessive cool cast kinda ruins it though.


How come that Google can't add larger batteries? Even the size options are laughable since there's no microSD slot. Huawei P30 is pretty much the same size but has NM card support and 3650mAh battery (and the battery life is awesome thanks to that).
 
Restaurant Management. Corporate scale, so I sometimes have to work at other locations but be available for anyone who needs to get ahold of me regardless of location or time.

So in other words a job that most likely requires travel via a vehicle so you can plug into a charger. Gotcha!

These are not extreme situations. These are pretty common situations, just because you don't happen to get off your lazy ass long enough to deal with them doesn't mean the rest of the world sits around all day.

My lazy ass? You know nothing about me. You know nothing about how I do a running club with my eldest son. Tae Kwon Do. Ballet class for my daughter. School for all 3 of my kids. Coaching Flag Football. Swim team. Swim lessons. Coaching baseball. Trips for Apple picking, pumpkin picking, or to DC's museums etc etc. I use my phone more than you would ever imagine because I'm out being a father to my kids and making sure I have memories of that time.

Trust me I love a phone that lasts a long time. I just don't bitch about a phone where the battery may not meet my needs. I either find another device or I find a way to make it work. I'm not the lazy ass one who can't be bothered to plug in their phone while driving a car.

Congrats! In a normal day my phone regularly goes 8-10+ hours without charging.

Congrats mine can go for 14+ without charging under incredibly heavy usage. I just don't have to. The amount of time spent charging or not charging doesn't make you special...
 
Tup3x That's an interesting point. You're really at the mercy of good Auto White Balance (AWB) when it comes to that, adjusting say for indoor fluorescent lighting, indoor color temperatures, etc.
Yes, typically you want warmer for shots with people - as it makes it more natural. Depending on who you shoot with, e.g. Olympus, Panasonic, Nikon, Canon, etc. - you'll find different tendencies for that.

With Google - yes, they started on the warmer side previously but I'm surprised they don't have more granularity for that setting.
Making users have to fiddle with AWB, especially when Apple's phones have generally been set it/forget it in simplicity in comparison? That's asking a lot for 99% of the population to have to change it manually lol.
 
https://kinjadeals-theinventory-com...preorder-deals-are-kind-of-bananas-1839071961


If you happen to be on Verizon there's some pretty great pre-order deals. If you add a line you can essentially get a buy one get one free plus a $200 visa prepaid card. Or if you just want to upgrade an existing line you can trade any number of really old phones (S4?) and get a $450 line credit.

Much much better than the crap trade in deals Google itself was offering.
 
I don't understand why someone wouldn't want a larger battery in the Pixel 4's?

I'm no Apple fan, but good for them on increasing battery size in the new 11 Pro's, it would be like the Pixel 4 XL having a 4,400mAh battery. That's the equivalent of the 10 XS Max to 11 Pro Max battery upgrade.

If Google did that, or even close, I'd be extremely happy. But I'm afraid the 3,700mAh battery in the 4 XL will just be the status quo of mediocre battery life, not bad, but not great.

The Pixel 4 XL should have come with a 4,000mAh battery minimum.
 
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This will be my first Pixel phone. About three years back I jumped ship and went to Apple because I got tired of the unreliable software updates and wanted a stock software experience, and with the Pixel being a Verizon exclusive at the time I didn't forsee that happening.

Fast forward to May of this year when the P3 became available for TMobile I got excited, but unfortunately my iPhone X was on a JoD lease, and the P3 wasn't available for JoD. So, after a lot of back and forth I settled on the OnePlus 7 Pro. First thing I saw was the massive differences in size and weight. At that point that was the one thing I loved most about my X was the size, but the OP7P was superior in every other way.

My girl won some money at the casino so we were able to pay the phone off. Sadly, as the months went on l went from loving this phone to being annoyed by it. Firstly, the camera isn't great, pictures are saturated and the GCam mods were unstable so I started having my regrets. Then theyreleased the OP7T with all the best of the OP7P but in a finer package. As time went on the physical size of the phone has become problematic as I often times have to pull my phone out and having to use both hands means I have to stop what I'm doing to focus on the phone.

The Pixel 4, despite the small battery is the perfect size for me, along with all the goodies I was sold. I'm not concerned about the battery lasting me two days, or even getting me 5+ hours of SoT, I'm more concerned about size. I figure the S10e has relatively the same specs with marginally bigger screen while offering roughly a 10.715% bigger battery and getting better battery life than my OP7P I should be just fine with 2800mah, granted I do carry a charger with me because I always have my Nintendo Switch when I'm out and about.

I'm excited, and honestly can't wait to get my hands on the Pixel 4.
 
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I still want to try it in my hands - I did that last time with the 3a in the TMo store.
I checked that same TMo store yesterday. Yes, Pixel 4 display poster is out. In front of the P4 display thought - only 3a/3aXL display models lmao. Maybe it gets changed out after this weekend?
 
It seems people think the Pixel 4 is just a bad deal. A lot of the hands on reviewers don't take into consideration day to day ease of use, and not everyone has big hands. Yes the Pixel 4 XL has a bigger screen and battery, but it's also heavier, and wider. I used to be all about big phones, getting the biggest one released with the highest resolution until I used my old iPhone X, I thought it was just a phase until I got the OP7P that I realized that the bigger the phone for me, the longer it takes me to operate it.

I'm not gonna knock the Pixel 4 XL, I've been on the fence the past two days about cancelling my Pixel 4 pre-order and getting the XL. Though using the size comparison tool on Phonearena's website I can see that the XL is only fractionally smaller than the OP7P width wise.
 
Screen Attention

The Google Pixel 4 devices also come with a Screen Attention, a feature similar to Samsung’s Smart Stay which prevents the Pixel 4’s screen from turning off while you’re looking at it. This happens with the help of the front-facing camera on the smartphone just like Samsung’s Smart Stay. We found references to the feature in the third and the fourth beta of Android 10/Q. Its presence was later affirmed with a Pixel 4 hands-on video that surfaced last month.
 
Just some food for thought here. My Pixel 4 XL case came in last night (surprisingly a really awesome case. I dare say I think it's a much better case/value than the Spigen equivalent because the kickstand is better and it cost $18 versus the $43 charged by Spigen), and I compared it to my wife's Pixel 2XL case. And they're pretty much identical in size. So you're getting a 6.3 inch screen size in the same form factor as the 6.0 screen in the phone from 2 generations ago. Which is to say that the bezels have shrunk quite a bit from what it used to be. I just don't remember everyone have a sh*t fit over the Pixel 2XL bezel and this generation has far less bezel. So, if you didn't mind the size of the 2 XL, you'll not mind the 4XL as it's basically the same size with a larger screen.

The bezel thing is a bit overblown IMO. It's something you stop caring about after only a few hours of using the phone.
 
Bezel thing is just generally something to not pick about since phones have gotten stagnant.
 
I do have one concern regarding the resolution differences between the 4 and 4 XL. All my Google searches showed that on an OLED screen 1080p is noticably worse than 1440p. I'd imagine on a sub 6" screen it wouldn't be noticable, what are your guys thoughts?
 
It's not the resolution that matters but rather the PPI. OLED uses Pentile so its equivalent is 80% when comparing to LCD.

IMO, anything over an adjusted 300PPI is basically sharp. There are some edge cases (like asian fonts) that could use a tad higher but for most things it's basically a wash. The XL has higher PPI but the regular Pixel 4 already has an equivalent of 355PPI so you'll probably be just fine. It's just a hair below an iPhone 11 Pro's PPI (366PPI adjusted) for instance and nobody complains.
 
Another thing that's piqued my interest is a feature called Automatic Color Management referenced in the displaymates review. I can't find anything on it through Google other than displaymates review and they only reference the 4xl.
 
So in other words a job that most likely requires travel via a vehicle so you can plug into a charger. Gotcha!
No. A job where I'm on my feet dealing with customer service nowhere near a vehicle or the ability to charge my phone yet still need to be able to accept calls.

Your ignorance and need to somehow defend your particularly unique situation is honestly depressing at this point.
 
I just don't understand why anybody would be okay with a new phone getting shitty battery life. Saying like it's cool no big deal, just charge it a bunch of times all day. So yeah I got this phone that only lasts 4 hours screen time, but fucking man up and just plug it in to your charger that's always dangling out of your butt hole. LOL.

I'm a huge Pixel fan I really wanted to get the Pixel 4 XL but if these early warnings are true and it has poor to mediocre battery life then it's a no-go for me. I want a new phone that's faster and smoother plus upgrade in battery life too.
 
I've been getting a bunch of updates to core google apps on my pixel 2 these last few days. I'm really curious how many "new" features of the Pixel 4 are gonna trickle down, I haven't noticed anything immediately different yet, but something has to be going on behind the scenes.
 
No. A job where I'm on my feet dealing with customer service nowhere near a vehicle or the ability to charge my phone yet still need to be able to accept calls.

Your ignorance and need to somehow defend your particularly unique situation is honestly depressing at this point.

I'd argue that the situation of being nowhere near a conveniently pre-positioned charger all day long is probably the much more rare circumstance.

No one is arguing that your needs are invalid. Just that maybe they don't reflect the needs of most people.

In the grand scheme of things, I'll always take more battery capacity, but it's not as much of a deal-breaker for me as for you.

Nothing wrong with that.
 
Another thing that's piqued my interest is a feature called Automatic Color Management referenced in the displaymates review. I can't find anything on it through Google other than displaymates review and they only reference the 4xl.

Automatic Color Management also piqued my interest when I read the Display Mate Pixel 4 XL review. I would expect that technology journalists like Jerry Hildenbrand (Android Authority) and Andrei Frumusanu (AnandTech) will be writing about it.

Automatic Color Management
Most Smartphones and Tablets generally provide only one to up to several fixed Color Gamuts. The Pixel 4 XL has Automatic Color Management that automatically switches to the proper Color Gamut for any displayed image content within the Wide DCI-P3 Color Space that has an ICC Profile, so images automatically appear with the correct colors, neither over-saturated or under-saturated. Automatic Color Management with multiple and varying Color Gamuts are a very useful and important state-of-the-art capability that all manufacturers will need to provide in the future. Display Mate
 
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While on the subject of batteries, here’s an update on the ever-slow-to-market new battery tech that we all thought we would have had one or two by now over the li-ion batteries we had for decades.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets...in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air

Why has this thread not been closed compared to what happened on the iPhone thread considering name calling and insults have occurred here but not there?
 
As a [H]ardcore Nexus / Pixel guy, I was disappointed in the Pixel 4 XL. But, there's really no other phone in 2019 I like.

- iPhone 11 Pro Max is great, but I can't stand iOS, so that's a no go.
- OnePlus 7 Pro is very good, but poor camera, no IP68 rating, no wireless charging, and curved edge screens suck
- Samsung Galaxy phones, LOL, uh nope and never.

So it does seem to me the Pixel 4 XL would be the phone to get. Need to see some full reviews before final decision
 
As a [H]ardcore Nexus / Pixel guy, I was disappointed in the Pixel 4 XL. But, there's really no other phone in 2019 I like.

- iPhone 11 Pro Max is great, but I can't stand iOS, so that's a no go.
- OnePlus 7 Pro is very good, but poor camera, no IP68 rating, no wireless charging, and curved edge screens suck
- Samsung Galaxy phones, LOL, uh nope and never.

So it does seem to me the Pixel 4 XL would be the phone to get. Need to see some full reviews before final decision

Honestly I'm waiting on reviews myself, even though I pre-ordered the P4, if the P4XL proves to be the vastly superior option I'll just have TMobile change out my preorder to the P4XL. Honestly would prefer the smaller phone though.
 
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