Microsoft issues new Windows 10 update warning

Darth Ender said:
That's not permanent though. That's the hardware manufacturer not updating their driver, and unless the hardware manufacturer has gone out of business or stated that they're definitely never going to update it and not releasing the code for anyone else to, then the state of it not being functional is variable.

Additionally, there is the option of using a different yet current operating system and the hardware may function perfectly on those.

The hardware isn't broke permanently. The current version of windows just doesn't have a working driver for it.
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Yes, I covered this.
 
Nenu said:
Ye olde shippe Windows 7 sails on by serenely.
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Windows 7 patches aren't much better these days, one of the Aug 13 patches borked a bunch of PCs including my old pc.

I couldn't even boot into safe mode and the normal boot fixes like system file checker and rebuilding the boot sector didn't help. It turned out that it broke a system file related to EFI and there was an old hotfix for something completely unrelated that was supposed to fix it but I couldn't figure out how to use DISM for an offline image so I ended up restoring to an old backup. Luckily I had a fairly recent backup image and I mainly use that PC as a DVR so I didn't lose much but it's ridiculous how badly it broke windows.

But hey no more pesky patches for it soon. :(

dany man said:
Drivers were a big part of the problems ME had. I don't think 3dfx ever made a good glide driver for ME. There are good 3rd party ones however.
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Yep. ME was a nightmare with hardware that didn't have proper driver support for it and that was basically all hardware released before ME and most released the first few months after. On hardware with proper drivers it was much better than W98 with one of the biggest improvements being that drivers didn't get corrupted every time you coughed or looked at the pc wrong.
 
This is why I keep a working clone of my drive before applying Windows 10 patches now ... for when the inevitable FUBAR happens.
 
ManofGod said:
Delete all the hidden bluetooth devices in the device manager. I had to do that when I swapped boards between two machines with existing Windows installations. Once I did that, Bluetooth devices worked correctly again.
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Thanks. Tried it, still busted. :(
 
Nenu said:
I let everyone else beta test patches before I apply them and then I selectively apply them.
Life is peaceful.
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I gave it about 2 weeks and hadn't heard of any issues. There really isn't much discussion about Win 7 patches these days though, even at places that specialize in that sort of thing.
 
I still have DOS 6.2 floppies and a usb-floppy drive.... perhaps now is the time, I was waiting for Judgement Day....

edit - oh and an old S3 Virge video card! No mobos with PCI though...
 
When it comes to Windows updates my 2600k rig is a tank that just plows thru anything. In it's roughly 7-8 years of existence I think I seen only one or two Windows updates give me grief with the actual rig. In that time it's gone from 7>8>8.1>and all the variations of 10. Wednesday morning saw the update prompt while doing some things and went ahead and told it to update&restart. Didn't make it past POST. Twice. Thankfully Windows managed to repair itself and start after the 3rd time. Wasn't really looking forward to re-imaging and glad I didn't have to. Bad MS!
 
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Shoganai said:
This is why I keep a working clone of my drive before applying Windows 10 patches now ... for when the inevitable FUBAR happens.
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It really is that bad these days. I don't always do it for some of my systems but for some, its a 10-20min wait for some peace of mind before applying new patches. You can't trust the restore/rollback Windows tools either.
 
MixManSC said:
I'm surprised anyone with half a brain installs patches and updates right away. Delay any updates/patches for a few weeks so that the rest of the public can beta test them and freak out first..... then no problems. This is nothing new or unusual and is standard practice for big business going back to the 90's.
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Indeed, and that's been my MO way back to XP. Wait a week or so and see what bugs there are. Even if MS had a huge patch testing team for 1000 people, they're not going to catch all the use cases for millions of unique computer configs. I occasionally go faster, but it's rare and frankly, 10 generally doesn't update for a week or 2 (if that, because I generally end up search for new updates before it ever asks to install anything...you know, pretty much like 7 and 8), but maybe 10 just likes me better than everyone else (or my install is borked in a good way)


Shoganai said:
This is why I keep a working clone of my drive before applying Windows 10 patches now ... for when the inevitable FUBAR happens.
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I've never had to do it, but I always have a backup of my boot drive that's no more htan a week old. Worse comes to worse, just restore from my NAS. But again, the only issue ic an recall having that was bad was in 2015 and I either did a system restore or it was a major update and I just undid it.
 
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Ranulfo said:
It really is that bad these days. I don't always do it for some of my systems but for some, its a 10-20min wait for some peace of mind before applying new patches. You can't trust the restore/rollback Windows tools either.
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Yeah the Windows rollback tools are awful. :/
 
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I use Windows 10 LTSC - the only sane version of Windows 10. Never have to worry about this garbage from MS.

Windows 10 LTSC can be legally bought for less than $5 on eBay.

Letting Windows auto-update is foolish in general, though.
 
lostin3d said:
When it comes to Windows updates my 2600k rig is a tank that just plows thru anything. In it's roughly 7-8 years of existence I think I seen only one or two Windows updates give me grief with the actual rig. In that time it's gone from 7>8>8.1>and all the variations of 10. Wednesday morning saw the update prompt while doing some things and went ahead and told it to update&restart. Didn't make it past POST. Twice. Thankfully Windows managed to repair itself and start after the 3rd time. Wasn't really looking forward to re-imaging and glad I didn't have to. Bad MS!
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except the patch had nothing to do with boot issues, lol.. the only thing the patch broke was the search function in cortana and start menu and people are acting like it's the end of the world.. i can't even remember the last time i searched for something in start menu let alone used the worthless ass cortana feature.. so woopty do the patch broke something i don't use..

in your case you may want to start looking at possible memory issues starting to happen if you were forced to repair windows after multiple post failures.
 
Eh, by many of the windows white knights out there, using the search bar for finding all of your programs is the greatest thing since sliced bread and clippy.
 
Ranulfo said:
Eh, by many of the windows white knights out there, using the search bar for finding all of your programs is the greatest thing since sliced bread and clippy.
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Eh, I have been using Windows Search since Windows Vista. Heck, before that, I would just hit the Windows key + R, type in the program and hit enter. That is far more convenient when I already have both hands on the keyboard.
 
ManofGod said:
Eh, I have been using Windows Search since Windows Vista... [It] is far more convenient when I already have both hands on the keyboard.
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Yeah, but ... uh, that's why I don't use it.


P.S. I, umm, I use keyboard and mouse.
 
seanreisk said:
Yeah, but ... uh, that's why I don't use it.


P.S. I, umm, I use keyboard and mouse.
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You don't you it because it is more convenient? LOL! ;) Hey, use the mouse when needed but, I also have mechanical keyboards at home on all my computers.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
People get paid to astroturf and shill for various companies. It's a shame they can't find a more respectable line of work, like prostitution or drug dealing.
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I agree, but people keep shilling for Desktop Linux. Clearly they make so much form maintenance contracts on the server side that they can afford to throw money at shills hoping that people will someday want use the Desktop OS that nobody wants.

Oh wait, you only think it's shilling if you dislike the product others like. Kinda like I think anyone drinking or promoting pepsi is a shill, because it's clearly the lesser cola.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
except the patch had nothing to do with boot issues, lol.. the only thing the patch broke was the search function in cortana and start menu and people are acting like it's the end of the world.. i can't even remember the last time i searched for something in start menu let alone used the worthless ass cortana feature.. so woopty do the patch broke something i don't use..

in your case you may want to start looking at possible memory issues starting to happen if you were forced to repair windows after multiple post failures.
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Wow....I don't use cortana (AFAIK), but the only way I use the start menu is search. That said, I dont' know if this affects me, because MS hasn't asked me to install any patches this month (though i know I can go there and download them....I just normally wait 2 weeks to see what shakes out (but of those occasions I don't wait, I've only had one issue back in 2015 and that was one of the major updates, not a regular patch, so I just uninstalled it).


Ranulfo said:
Eh, by many of the windows white knights out there, using the search bar for finding all of your programs is the greatest thing since sliced bread and clippy.
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Nobody liked clippy (but enjoyed the movie made about his disappearance).

And yes, searching is the shit. Way faster than I could ever do things in the old XP menu, even if I organized the fuck out of it.
 
Delicieuxz said:
I use Windows 10 LTSC - the only sane version of Windows 10. Never have to worry about this garbage from MS.

Windows 10 LTSC can be legally bought for less than $5 on eBay.

Letting Windows auto-update is foolish in general, though.
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In for 1. Thanks!
 
Master_shake_ said:
Remember when computers only did things when you told them to?

Pepperidge farm remembers.
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I do. I'd visit friends and they had 6 months to a year of patches that they hadn't installed and then people on [H] bitched about how windows wasn't secure, even though more than 90% of the attacks were using vectors that were patched months earlier, and my friends were all w/w and computer engineers!

Sorry, but the average computer user can't be trusted to patch their system (or anything at all). That is why they changed how they patch.
 
SomeoneElse said:
I speak from experience with the insider program...i tested a number of "early releases and they had some serious bugs that wouldn't get fixed until like 2 releases after that......It was like they just experimented with builds until one worked......the program is a mess. One bug even messed up so bad you couldn't roll back to the previous build so i had to wait a few weeks to finally get a new build that fixed the old crap.....They hear people but they don't LISTEN to people.
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You’re correct - they don’t listen AT ALL. At this stage, Microsoft only seems interested in furthering their money grab via subscriptions and only seem to implement things which further that goal. PowerApps is a good example - go read the PowerApps forum and look at all the issues or missing features that have existed for years which haven’t been fixed. It’s a joke that basic features are excluded, MS commits to working on them, and then 3 years later, with people asking for updates, you get no response or a response like “Well that feature is already in Product Y, so we don’t want to duplicate it in Product X.” By the way, that feature is printing - companies still need that functionality. Instead, they’re focusing on their CDS backend, for which they can charge customers more and more money.
 
nilepez said:
I do. I'd visit friends and they had 6 months to a year of patches that they hadn't installed and then people on [H] bitched about how windows wasn't secure, even though more than 90% of the attacks were using vectors that were patched months earlier, and my friends were all w/w and computer engineers!

Sorry, but the average computer user can't be trusted to patch their system (or anything at all). That is why they changed how they patch.
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true, i use to go years before patching windows 7 since i just had it set to notify me there were patches and not download/install and once you ignored the notification the first time i never notified you again until i'd see some security report news article and go, oh yeah i should update windows.. 7 hours of update downloads/installing later...

so while w10 patching is annoying sometimes, it definitely forces me to keep my shit updated more often even though i'll still push it back a few weeks until i manually restart, i refuse to let that shit restart on it's own though.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
true, i use to go years before patching windows 7 since i just had it set to notify me there were patches and not download/install and once you ignored the notification the first time i never notified you again until i'd see some security report news article and go, oh yeah i should update windows.. 7 hours of update downloads/installing later...

so while w10 patching is annoying sometimes, it definitely forces me to keep my shit updated more often even though i'll still push it back a few weeks until i manually restart, i refuse to let that shit restart on it's own though.
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Did that change? I know it use to auto do it if I didn't keep on top of it. Now it doesn't do it for weeks (and maybe I have to tell it to install). Maybe I made a change I've forgotten (that happens a lot ;) )
 
One of these windows updates seems to have broken ssh as well for me. They seem to have also broken whatever modern implementation of network neighborhood they had forcing me to \\192.168.blahblah to see other windows 10 PCs. These were things that were working yet eroded away with unplanned updates. Just to name a few recent changes for me...

Besides UI changes in previous operating systems, this is the first in a long long time that continuously annoys me with breaking features. I wouldn't say 10 is as bad as 95 yet but it's on its way.

/Rant
 
Now we know why India's lunar lander crashed this past week.

ISRO BSOD.jpg
 
On my side the only downside is EVERY reboots from updates ends up in unresponsive system. Manual reboot and it's golden... Somewhat annoys me having to reboot twice but given how much issue everyone else have I feel better lol.
I might be due for a full re-image (thanks lord for VM).
 
nilepez said:
I do. I'd visit friends and they had 6 months to a year of patches that they hadn't installed and then people on [H] bitched about how windows wasn't secure, even though more than 90% of the attacks were using vectors that were patched months earlier, and my friends were all w/w and computer engineers!

Sorry, but the average computer user can't be trusted to patch their system (or anything at all). That is why they changed how they patch.
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resistance is futile amirite?
 
Well, I am grateful that all 4 of my computers, which I built myself, have zero issues with these updates. :) So, anyone here who is actually posting and have these updates installed, are you having the posted issues?
 
illram said:
Some update a while back permanently broke my mobo's Bluetooth. Thanks Microsoft!
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make 2 of us at the very least, all was golden one day, next day Windows reports as my BT and/or wifi is there, functioning correctly and/or cannot assign it an IP/Proxy invalid
(nothing I can do/did fixes/fixed since w/e this took place, therefore I surmise as beyond a fool neat things, Win 7 vastly superior in every way that

I USE MY COMPUTER

though not willing to go through the BS of forcing 7 to my x570 ryzen 3200 etc as the actual install to use was pretty painless
if not still BS have to set to metered, have to hunt for this that and everything else, set tiles etc vs standard desktop apps/tiles being THERE
and START MENU not the dual/triple wide eye sore segregation they did for the "start is back" crap show this so far has been (found my 1/2 arse way of mimic my 7 install)

anywho....I want/need my wifi/BT back, thank you MSFT twits...stop mucking with "simple"

allow the users parts to work, keep their internet and computing SAFE from intrusion/backdoor spying
be very vigilant in NOT potential open of holes (such as sharing by default vs private i.e only DL when I click go

^.^

maybe b4 end of year all us Ryzen folks ( the rest of course LOL)
get functional OS again, so can enjoy Holiday gaming action when is cold out there.
 
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