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Newegg is still in business?
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Why wouldn't they be [still in business]?Newegg is still in business?
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YOU HAVE BEN WARMED.
Huh? What? First of all your logic doesn't hold up.
Why not? They're better than Amazon just for their search and the prices are good generally. They also don't comingle their inventory with 3rd party sellers leading to lots of counterfeits like Amazon on hot categories.Newegg is still in business?
Newegg is still in business?
Eastern Oregon might as well be another state. (They've tried more than once to split it up, but it will never happen) The entire eastern half is almost entirely empty - every bit as much as middle of nowhere Nevada.I honestly thought it was cheaper to live in Oregon because people in rural north/central Idaho are often looking to move to eastern Oregon
Hold it, hold it, hold it, I'm not here to discuss the cost of living or whatever, I honestly thought it was cheaper to live in Oregon because people in rural north/central Idaho are often looking to move to eastern Oregon (and my niece moved from Seattle to Portland because she couldn't afford to live anywhere in Seattle). That is not central to what my post is about. If you look at what I wrote, especially in relation to the person I quoted, what I'm saying is that in the 90's they discussed ecommerce sales tax being based on the state that SOLD the item, but it would be too easy to circumnavigate that law.
EDIT: Turns out NWRMidnight is right, it is cheaper to live in Deleware than Oregon. But the deserts of eastern Oregon are missing an important cost multiplier that is affecting Idaho in spades - that is, people from California looking to retire on 50 acres of forested land.
If you are trying to imply that companies would just locate to states that have no sales tax, I doubt it, as sales tax has zero influence on where a company decides to place it's business, as sales tax doesn't effect their business costs, other than having to track and send the state a check. It is a cost that is strictly paid by the consumer.
That could not be more wrong. If Walmart was based in Oregon, and they didn't have to charge any sales tax, and Amazon was based in California, and they had to pay some of the highest sales tax...don't you think Walmart would have the advantage? Sure, technically the sales tax is paid by the buyer, but if you give them a choice to pay it or not pay it what do you think they will choose? If one company could advertise "no sales tax", then they would have more sales. Most people look at the final total shipped cost, they don't care if certain pieces of that cost go to different places.
How many gas stations on the same strip in a town have different prices? Does everyone rush to the cheapest priced gas station? Nope! Do those cheaper priced gas stations do more business? Nope! They go to the station that has better quality, better service, etc. In the online world, some go for the lowest price, others go for the best service
Go back and read this thread. It is full of people complaining that Newegg is adding tax, while Amazon has had it for quite some time. Several of these people like to buy from Newegg simply because they were not previously getting taxed. Meaning if it came down to Amazon vs Newegg, they would choose Newegg for an item priced exactly the same if they didn't add tax.
"Service" is not a quality most people look for with online sales, one store isn't much better than the next, and, well, they all kind of suck at customer service. They know they have a captive audience and don't need to offer very good service. Most consumers would choose a lower price over possible better service.
Whether moving to a state with no sales tax would account for other taxes that might have to be paid is irrelevant, because this practice isn't allowed and you're just guessing at what the cost differences might be.
Bullshit. Do you have any facts to support this ridiculous statement?There will always be people who will want to save every penny possible and not pay sales tax, but in reality, they are the minority, and account for very small portion of the people in the world.
They most certainly do. Almost everything on Amazon is priced the same, or less than their competition. Yes, that is why Amazon is so big. Biggest selection + lowest prices = winner.Why is Amazon so big? Do they really have better prices.. no, not really..
How would it be easy to circumnavigate the law if it was based on the state the company is located? If I order from Newegg, which is based in California.. how can I get away from paying California tax if it was based on the business location, and I live in Washington?
Bullshit. Do you have any facts to support this ridiculous statement?
They most certainly do. Almost everything on Amazon is priced the same, or less than their competition. Yes, that is why Amazon is so big. Biggest selection + lowest prices = winner.
I always shop around for the lowest price, and I could not care less about "service". That is not what I am paying for. I make on average around 2-3 purchases a week from Amazon, not because I love Amazon, but because they are the same price or less than anybody else.
As I said in my post, Newegg could have their warehouses and their shipping hub based in California - that's the kind of employee base that states would want to protect (witness all the states 'bidding' for Amazon's east coast fulfillment center.) If ecommerce tax was based on the location of the sales, all that Newegg would need to do to take advantage of tax-free sales is locate their sales office in Oregon or Delaware or Alaska, and then continue to ship from warehouses in California. Attempting to do tax by the location of the item at the moment it was purchased would invalidate drop shipping, co-locating inventory, custom sales (where a vendor orders a custom item from a manufacturer), and could even affect the laws underlying the commodities market.
There were discussions about all of this over 20 years ago when ecommerce was just taking off.
Hmm, thought it was 7% for some reason, I guess Hills already had an extra 1% previously.Base in FL is 6.0%. Here in Escambia County we got a total of 7.5%. Highest in state I think is Hillsbourough at 8.5%.
I don't see how that could even remotely be proof of anything except you like to brag. Most consumers choose price over service, thus the existence of Walmart stores. Why is Walmart probably the most popular brick and mortar store in the country? Because they provide the lowest prices while cutting customer service and employee training to an absolute minimum, sometimes non existent at all. Does that scare shoppers away to the stores with better service? Because it sure seems like whenever a Walmart comes to town all the other stores that might have had better service go out of business.It's many years of owning 2 businesses, as well as 20 years of being in top management in highly successful companies... So I am not just speaking as a consumer but also from being on the other side of the fence as well.
You still don't understand how this tax thing works do you? I am not a tax cheat. EVERYBODY charges sales tax. I live in North Carolina, therefore, I am REQUIRED to pay NC sales tax on EVERY purchase. Even if an online vendor does not charge me directly. And yes, 99% of places will charge me directly the same as Amazon does. If they don't, it's part of the taxes I pay yearly.But what gets me, is here you are trying to say sales tax effects your buying choice, yet here you go, saying you buy 2 or 3 items off Amazon a week, admitting they are the same price or less (how much less ???? we don't really know)... But what about the sales tax.. are you trying to tell me, that those 2 or 3 items a week can't be found from a vendor that does not charge sales tax if they are the same price?
I don't see how that could even remotely be proof of anything except you like to brag. Most consumers choose price over service, thus the existence of Walmart stores. Why is Walmart probably the most popular brick and mortar store in the country? Because they provide the lowest prices while cutting customer service and employee training to an absolute minimum, sometimes non existent at all. Does that scare shoppers away to the stores with better service? Because it sure seems like whenever a Walmart comes to town all the other stores that might have had better service go out of business.
You still don't understand how this tax thing works do you? I am not a tax cheat. EVERYBODY charges sales tax. I live in North Carolina, therefore, I am REQUIRED to pay NC sales tax on EVERY purchase. Even if an online vendor does not charge me directly. And yes, 99% of places will charge me directly the same as Amazon does. If they don't, it's part of the taxes I pay yearly.
Funny you say that. I just switched to Verizon, and it is quite a bit cheaper than AT&T for the same thing. Verizon also offers better service in more rural areas, which make up the majority of the US. (when I say service I mean signal, not customer service)If your therory is correct, then explain how Verizon is the largest wireless carrier in the United States, all while having also the highest prices? Specially since customer service means nothing, and it's all about low prices?
Funny you say that. I just switched to Verizon, and it is quite a bit cheaper than AT&T for the same thing. Verizon also offers better service in more rural areas, which make up the majority of the US. (when I say service I mean signal, not customer service)
You have provided no evidence what so ever that "most people choose service over price". Your explanation of Walmart only backs me up, because those 38% you speak of are choosing price over service. They are not the only ones. And, BTW, I am not low income, but I do shop at Walmart. Rich people are usually some of the cheapest...I mean thriftiest...people you will ever find, that's how they get rich.
Buying things online is not about "service". You do not get "service" online. You deal with a computer, that's the end of it. Most online retailers even if you call them you are talking to a computer, maybe routed to somebody in India if you are lucky. Buying online is the equivalent of "self service", like using a vending machine. If you have a product question they cannot answer it any better than the moron working at Walmart. And for returns, it's usually entirely automated.
And I'm really not sure why you are arguing about this, it has nothing to do with this thread. Newegg does not offer anything that anyone would call "good service", neither do it's online competitors.
Overall, Verizon is the better of the two. At present, you’ll get faster speeds most of the time and better service coverage. But, AT&T has them beat on price and perks, with coverage that’s only a little bit under Verizon’s performance – so it’s a close call.
No special deal. No contract. Just a lower price. At my last check my phone has used 63gb of data, and that's only 12 days into my cycle. I don't have to take your word for it, or look up any statistics...like I said, I just switched and they are cheaper. I got nothing special from Verizon that anybody else could not get, and it is no way a limited time offer. I'm happy to hear experiences from other people, what I don't like are cocky assholes who don't know what they are talking about.Verizon isn't cheaper than AT&T on 95% of there services. Unlimted plans, they are higher prices, majority of all other plans.. higher prices. But, you don't have to take my word for it, the statistics are out there for your little fingers to look up. Now, you may have been lucky and got in on one of their special deals.. it won't last. (been a Verizon customer for well over 10 years.. but you don't like people who have the experience to tell you such things).
LOL! What actual evidence have you provided other than "cause I said so"? You are most certainly welcome to your opinion, but when you try to pass it off as fact without anything to back it up you just sound stupid.All you have given is your personal "feelings" or "perspective" as a consumer, on this topic, with nothing to back it up with, other than what you as a consumer believes and/or what works for you. You can sit and repeat it's not about service.. majority go for price, and don't care about customer service till you are blue in the face, or your fingers fall off, it won't change the fact that you are wrong. For you, it may be price, but for the majority it is not.
Opinion, not fact. Again you have provided no supporting evidence.As for Walmart, you disregarded the rest of what I said.. and that is the fact that most low income families and the people Walmart cater too, do not order online, Specially from Newegg or similar, as they do not have the money to spend on computer hardware, etc. nor do they have the funds for shipping that usually go with ordering online, unless they are lucky enough to get something that has free shipping. They are just basically trying to survive.
I could say the same about you. What type of service is it that Newegg provides that is so fantastic as to risk committing tax fraud?I am starting to wonder if you even understand what customer service is, and what all it includes, or even where it begins or ends.
The only thing I agree with is you have ridiculous opinions that you can't back up with facts, and you think you are more important than other people just because you claim to run a business, and like to put people down. I am a business owner also, I have been self employed my entire life, never once had an actual "job", and I can proudly say I have done quite well for myself.It really doesn't matter anymore, because it is time for us to agree to disagree. Because it is obvious that you and I will never agree, as you have a one sided perspective as a consumer, where I have both as a consumer, and a business owner.
No special deal. No contract. Just a lower price. At my last check my phone has used 63gb of data, and that's only 12 days into my cycle. I don't have to take your word for it, or look up any statistics...like I said, I just switched and they are cheaper. I got nothing special from Verizon that anybody else could not get, and it is no way a limited time offer. I'm happy to hear experiences from other people, what I don't like are cocky assholes who don't know what they are talking about.
LOL! What actual evidence have you provided other than "cause I said so"? You are most certainly welcome to your opinion, but when you try to pass it off as fact without anything to back it up you just sound stupid.
Opinion, not fact. Again you have provided no supporting evidence.
I could say the same about you. What type of service is it that Newegg provides that is so fantastic as to risk committing tax fraud?
The only thing I agree with is you have ridiculous opinions that you can't back up with facts, and you think you are more important than other people just because you claim to run a business, and like to put people down. I am a business owner also, I have been self employed my entire life, never once had an actual "job", and I can proudly say I have done quite well for myself.
You are absolutely welcome to express whatever opinion you have here, but trying to pass that off as fact without any supporting evidence what so ever is not acceptable behavior. Your opinion is no more correct, or important than anybody else's. Some stupid links you found in google mean nothing, google and the internet is full of outdated or incorrect information. I'm not going to waste my time reading articles that you hand picked to try and agree with you, when I'm sure I could find exactly the opposite "facts" with the right google search.
If you want to keep arguing about this let's at least keep it to the actual subject, and that is Newegg tax policy. Otherwise send me a PM because you are thread crapping and nobody cares about what you are rambling on about. I notice nobody is agreeing with you.
If that makes you feel better...you can pretend that.If you go back and read my comments.. I was not the one who brought up all of this other discussion outside of the sales tax, nor was I the one who started this argument... I was responding to other's comments, who responded to my comment about the sales tax, and then you decided to join in and carry it here.
You suggested if I am looking for the cheapest price then it is not at Amazon, because they charge sales tax, totally oblivious to the fact that everybody charges sales tax. They are doing you a favor by taking it up front, that makes doing your taxes much easier. You have to pay it even if they don't charge it.I never said anything about Newegg performing any type of service that would require them to commit tax fraud or anything of the sort.. not sure where you pulled that comment out from, other than to attempt to troll, and steer this discussion off in another direction.. again.
You've tried to brag about your fancy job and businesses multiple times as if it has anything to do with this. You have not stated any facts, only opinions that you cannot backup. You have "proven" nothing.I also never said, or demonstrated that I am more important that anyone else. I told you facts, that you disagree with, and that is fine. You have said multiple times that there is not customer service in online sales, and it's about lower price (which paying or not paying sales tax is reflected in the final bill)... and I have proven you wrong
Now you're contradicting yourself...you also tried to claim 38% of people shop at Walmart for no other reason than they are poor and have no other choice. 70% plus 38% = 108%. Hopefully your "business" didn't involve math.I also have proven to you with the same material that consumers will pay more to get good customer service, 7 out of 10 or 70% of customers to be exact (which is more than present in online sales, again in the links I gave you), which proves you wrong that people are about low prices, and nothing else.
It takes two to argue. And I assume you will try to argue about this post.Yet, you are the one who started arguing and disagreeing with me.
As somebody who makes their living in online sales, I can tell you that is bullshit. They are very much concerned about the total price. (Item+shipping+handling+taxes) And of course this thread is full of people complaining that their final total bill with Newegg is now higher than it used to be.People will pay more for customer service which is present in online sales (again the links I supplied talks about this), which means that the final total on the bill is not the deciding factor.
Is that a threat? What are you gonna do about it? I do not agree to disagree, you are simply incorrect and can't handle being told so.Now, I will say it one more time.. Lets agree to disagree, and please don't ignore that request again. Thanks.
Got it?
newegg seems to be lacking in the deals because of this... the savings are lost.