That argument made sense before NVidia started supporting AMD Freesync monitors. But now that ship has sailed. Since they have more lock in now anyway, they may as well be the first to support the HDMI 2.1 standard.
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The perfect 4K 43” monitor! Soon! Asus XG438Q ROG
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That argument made sense before NVidia started supporting AMD Freesync monitors. But now that ship has sailed. Since they have more lock in now anyway, they may as well be the first to support the HDMI 2.1 standard.
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Well, first of all, people need to dissuade themselves of this nonsense straightaway... we already know broadly what the specs are of PS5 and Scarlett, and given a 5Ghz+ CPU and 2080Ti can barely exceed 60FPS in new titles, anyone who thinks a system less powerful will get double that is in serious need of a reality check. Of course consoles can always leverage their power very well, and it's impressive what the PS4/Xbox can still achieve today, but let's be real... a rock steady native 4K @ 120FPS ain't happening on PC in the next few years, nevermind console... no more likely than a 32" MicroLED 144Hz HDR VRR monitor coming our way soon. That said, will it matter? Probably not... I'm sure next gen will impress regardless.
There's no question they will offer a smoother experience... but the only way you can go from a solid 30FPS is up!! Ultimately though, and I see your point, a console experience on a decent OLED TV with HDMI 2.1 in late 2020 will actually be a superior experience to what we have right now on PC given the pitiful monitor options available... and I am not confident things will change in the next year or so. That's genuinely absurd and rather sad.
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lol I can't understand why this monitor is getting bagged so much.
Sure it has some weak points, like the slow black transition and weird colour accuracy from factory, which is much better after calibration.
You guys really have to see it in person. Really vivid and bright colours, image quality is very good.
Sure it has some weak points, like the slow black transition and weird colour accuracy from factory, which is much better after calibration.
You guys really have to see it in person. Really vivid and bright colours, image quality is very good.
exactly. its much better than you may think based on that first review.
the only problem for me is contrast shifting.
BGR is really not that important; i do not see it. this monitor is simply to big to look at it from close distance, so you have to scale to 150-200%. close distance is just not possible - contrast shifting is to strong.
about ghosting - i am just stupid, i had OD zero all the time
when set at 4-5 ghosting is minimal
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exactly. its much better than you may think based on that first review.
the only problem for me is contrast shifting.
BGR is really not that important; i do not see it. this monitor is simply to big to look at it from close distance, so you have to scale to 150-200%. close distance is just not possible - contrast shifting is to strong.
about ghosting - i am just stupid, i had OD zero all the time
when set at 4-5 ghosting is minimal
How far are your eyes from the screen?
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I sit 3' from my 43 inch tvs as monitors at 100 percent scaling where it ends up being similar to what a 27 inch 1440p would look like closer. So more or less perceived like 108.8 ppi. Any farther and I'd have to scale. As it is, I can mouse wheel to scale my 3rd party file manager and my web browsers on the fly or using no squint plus browser addon so it will remember the setting per page. As I've always done, I have to downsize some pages in some cases and some upscale depending on their fonts, but most look fine as they are. Menus and general os fonts are small but readable.
My TCL s405 43inch is RGB and my samsung 43 inch nu6900 is BGR. I don't have any issues with the nu6900's 100% scaling sized text. I'm using clear type on all three displays, and both of the tvs have a sharpness setting in their OSDs.
My TCL s405 43inch is RGB and my samsung 43 inch nu6900 is BGR. I don't have any issues with the nu6900's 100% scaling sized text. I'm using clear type on all three displays, and both of the tvs have a sharpness setting in their OSDs.
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exactly. its much better than you may think based on that first review.
the only problem for me is contrast shifting.
BGR is really not that important; i do not see it. this monitor is simply to big to look at it from close distance, so you have to scale to 150-200%. close distance is just not possible - contrast shifting is to strong.
about ghosting - i am just stupid, i had OD zero all the time
when set at 4-5 ghosting is minimal
I really don't notice contrast shift. lol
So what was TFTs verdict on the monitor? good, bad, neutral?
Guess we will find out their opinion tommorow anyways
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Meanwhile, everyone here is bagging ASUS, they are releasing HDR 1600 monitors with 120Hz.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1483...mate-mini-led-4k-120-hz-monitor-with-hdr-1600
I know it's not a gaming display, but godamm, hdr1600 and 120hz would be pretty!
Surely they will release a gaming oriented version at some point.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1483...mate-mini-led-4k-120-hz-monitor-with-hdr-1600
I know it's not a gaming display, but godamm, hdr1600 and 120hz would be pretty!
Surely they will release a gaming oriented version at some point.
I've been waiting for this type of monitor for a long time (currently using a BGR 40" 4K 60hz), and the reviews led me to cancel my preorderexactly. its much better than you may think based on that first review.
the only problem for me is contrast shifting.
BGR is really not that important; i do not see it. this monitor is simply to big to look at it from close distance, so you have to scale to 150-200%. close distance is just not possible - contrast shifting is to strong.
about ghosting - i am just stupid, i had OD zero all the time
when set at 4-5 ghosting is minimal
The reviews have it as one of the worst for GtG, and *the* worst for dark average by a significant margin. Black smearing is a huge drawback and it's rough to pay a premium when the monitor doesn't excel at either thing (desktop/gaming) that monitor buyers desire
ALL VA panels have black smearing though. The only VA monitor to not have it is the Eizo FG2421 and that's because it had a strobing backlight.
I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that this display has the worst response times ever. It's just not true. The only overdrive settings that matter are Level 4 and 5.
This right here is pretty typical for a VA panel, in fact it's not bad at all:
The PG35VQ, a $2500 35" 21:9 has 7.5ms g2g avg with a "worst" transition of 44.5ms. The Asus Predator Z35 is 9.0ms w/ 51.5ms.
Hardware Unboxed calls this 34" MSI monitor the best Ultrawide. They measured 4.5ms g2g on the fastest overdrive setting. Did they measure overshoot? Who knows, because they didn't show it...
The XG438Q has a 4.2ms g2g at Level 5. Does it have overshoot? Well yeah, but any VA panel with enough overdrive to do <5ms response times is going to have overshoot. TFTCentral has pursuit camera shots of the display, and it looks WAY better at level 5 than level 4. There's absolutely no way that it's better to live with dark smearing than overshoot. No way. Everyone using this panel at 120hz should be using Level 5, imo.
And if you do that, I frankly don't see the insistence that this is the worst monitor ever. Does it have typical BGR text rendering issues? Yup. TFTCentral notes that as well. If you're not bothered by those issues, though, the contrast ratio is extremely good and the response times are perfectly acceptable for VA.
If you were expecting some kind of magic VA that suddenly no longer has any of the limitations of the panel tech, then no, you're gonna be disappointed, same as the people who thought LG actually made an IPS display with 1ms response times when even TN panels don't have 1ms response times.
I think there is a difference between "expecting magic" and expecting the dark level response to not be 4ms worse than the next worst
Hardware Unboxed said:
It's not a total package disaster. But it's got below average response time (or above average overshoot) and one of the worst black smear. Combine with BGR and it's not unreasonable for people to be disappointed. Hopefully more reviews come out to resolve some of the mixed results
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All valid, but let's not forget the price here... it's VERY expensive given the issues it has. You're paying a massive premium for the extra size and high refresh 4K... in all other aspects, you can get a monitor which does a better job for half the price. It's all about priorities at the end of the day... if you simply MUST have the larger size and 4K @ 120Hz, then I guess that will trump its flaws which some people will happily live with... but there's no getting away from the fact that you're making a significant compromise in all other areas in order to obtain that.
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If it comes with HDMI 2.1, it'll gain my attention.
I'm a casual gamer who doesn't play FPS games and appreciates excellent image quality. I won't be buying a 4K monitor until I can get:
- 100% DCI-P3 coverage (or as close as possible; anything north of 98%, 90% and 95% doesn't cut it).
- HDMI 2.1 for 4:4:4 and VRR up to 4K@120Hz
- Either OLED or VA in the 32"-43" range, or an IPS with a high count FALD like the ASUS is.
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Was in stock at Georgia stores but appear to be selling out.
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Waiting on HDMI 2.1 ?
From the looks of it , it would depend on if you want/need a monitor now or are willing to wait until (guessing) late 2020 or early 2021 for displays, and then hold your breath waiting until whenever nvidia releases a hdmi 2.1 gpu (and a die shrink). I'm assuming hdmi 2.1 TVs will show up first which means large sizes for FALD and OLED with hdmi 2.1, 4k 120hz vrr, qft. The next generation of xbox and ps5 consoles that are supposed to come out in 2020 touting 4k 120hz capability should have hdmi 2.1 outputs too I'm assuming.
2-D Color Gamut vs. 3D color gamut ~ HDR color volume
As for DCI-P3, be aware that color spaces are traditionally measured in a narrow 2d graphed band. When you go into HDR color brightnesses, you switch to a 3d graph showing all the higher colors that a SDR's % color gamut is missing. So where HDR color is concerned, you have to measure what they call color volume or 3d color gamut. Having a 90% or more "2D" P3 area with much higher HDR 3d color spectrum of HDR 1000 or HDR1400 (~1600) could be better overall for HDR than 98% - 100% "2d" P3 area on SDR, HDR 400 or HDR 600~ABL for example. It's sort of like measuring square ft of area compared to measuring cubic feet of volume.
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about 95-100 cm. and contrast shifting is clearly visible..
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I can't speak about the xg438q's VA uniformity specifically but I have three different VA screens at my desk.
I sit about the same distance (95 -100cm ~ 38") from the three VA screens of different models and different manufacturers each.. My gaming screen has the worst shift of the three in solid bright color full screen image testing.
I don't notice shift on most images and especially live action full screen content/gaming. Usually it's only noticeable when I'm focused on looking for it on the corners and side edge with a bright solid color wallpaper rather than viewing the main screen, and even then it looks more like a very slim shadow from a tiny ledge in the corners and perhaps one side bezel on an all white screen. So I'd agree that VAs are higher contrast multimedia monitors not color accurate 2d graphics authoring monitors, but they display a lot of art and high detail photos off of deviantart and other wallpaper sites just fine for regular viewing and really shine in contrast and black depth for movies and games compared to non fald ips and tn screens. They also don't have the ips glow which bothers some people, and TN have their own shift.. both ips and tn at 1/3 or worse of the contrast and black depths of a gaming monitor, 1/5th to 1/6th or worse of the contrast and black depth of a non FALD VA tv as a monitor.
I sit about the same distance (95 -100cm ~ 38") from the three VA screens of different models and different manufacturers each.. My gaming screen has the worst shift of the three in solid bright color full screen image testing.
I don't notice shift on most images and especially live action full screen content/gaming. Usually it's only noticeable when I'm focused on looking for it on the corners and side edge with a bright solid color wallpaper rather than viewing the main screen, and even then it looks more like a very slim shadow from a tiny ledge in the corners and perhaps one side bezel on an all white screen. So I'd agree that VAs are higher contrast multimedia monitors not color accurate 2d graphics authoring monitors, but they display a lot of art and high detail photos off of deviantart and other wallpaper sites just fine for regular viewing and really shine in contrast and black depth for movies and games compared to non fald ips and tn screens. They also don't have the ips glow which bothers some people, and TN have their own shift.. both ips and tn at 1/3 or worse of the contrast and black depths of a gaming monitor, 1/5th to 1/6th or worse of the contrast and black depth of a non FALD VA tv as a monitor.
These are some examples of the VA shift on my 43" TVs
CLICK THE IMAGES .. the thumbnail is NOT an accurate representation.
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https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/s-series-s405-4k-2018
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/nu6900
In regular usage, at the side angled viewing I use them at, it's down to mostly the nearest low corner and only noticeable on solid bright fields of color.
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Example of a gk850g-B
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/lg-32gk850g/#Viewing_angles
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and the GK850G (non B) uniformity map
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_32gk850g.htm#uniformity
The tolerance is very low on the maps which always make them look worse than they are, but you can see that either the top or bottom corners will have the most "shading gradient" of shift depending what angle you view the monitor from.
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In gaming, movies, and regular usage it's really not noticeable head on. If you are looking for it on solid full screen content or you are doing a full screen bright field of color like a full screen document it's noticeable in the coners (and a bit on the edge on my 32") as a slight shading gradient. When farther away it's less prominent. Sitting 1.5 - 2' away from my gk850g was more obvious than 3' away.
So used as a gaming and media monitor it's a non issue imo. Used for full screen documancy, poster board art, image editing and such VA are not great all-arounders but are definitely usable depending on what you are doing.. That said, my 43" tvs-as-monitors have way less shift width/area as evidenced in the photos I linked and from my personal experience throwing some solid bright 4k color images up on each. It's very minimal on them, The 32" gaming panel is the worst of the bunch. So not all VA are the same amount of shift, and the distance also matters. I use the 43" tvs for pretty much everything but I keep the 32" gaming one's duties down to gaming mostly and as some extra space for a file management window or another web browser instance.
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The overdrive on the LG GK850G is good enough to use at the highest settings with minimal overshoot. I don't know if from the comments that the overdrive on this ASUS is not as good or if "5" is higher than the max on the LG. I'll have to wait to read the tftcentral review I guess.
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The LG GK850G OSD menu for overdrive under the 'Response Time' setting has 4 options available: Off, Normal, Fast and Faster.
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Again idk if LG's "fastest" is equivalent to the Asus xg348q's setting of "4" out of 5 or if LG's overdrive implementation is just better overall.
The unboxed video of the Asus XG348Q w w w -- youtube.com/embed/UrFBr_rZbcg showed a darks only response time test. From that video review of the xg438Q, it's average from a dark level only test is worst of the ones he reviewed:
XG438Q at 18.31 ms
gk850f is 11.28ms
msi optix is 9.7ms
So between the response time on the worst transitions (according to that particular review), and whether the response time is on par with bar the LG GK850G has set or not are both concerning.
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The LG GK850G OSD menu for overdrive under the 'Response Time' setting has 4 options available: Off, Normal, Fast and Faster.
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Again idk if LG's "fastest" is equivalent to the Asus xg348q's setting of "4" out of 5 or if LG's overdrive implementation is just better overall.
The unboxed video of the Asus XG348Q w w w -- youtube.com/embed/UrFBr_rZbcg showed a darks only response time test. From that video review of the xg438Q, it's average from a dark level only test is worst of the ones he reviewed:
XG438Q at 18.31 ms
gk850f is 11.28ms
msi optix is 9.7ms
So between the response time on the worst transitions (according to that particular review), and whether the response time is on par with bar the LG GK850G has set or not are both concerning.
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According to the TFTCentral review they had pretty good results when refresh rate is dropped to 100 Hz, with good results and little overshoot at Level 4 OD. At this refresh rate the panel manages to keep up in response time whereas Level 4 is a bit too slow for 120 Hz. Level 5 results in massive overshoot in all refresh rates. If they just had a few settings between 4 and 5 you could probably get good compromises. I don’t even know why they have all these levels if the lowest setting is so pointless.
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According to that it's actually
in the "yellow" at 40% when 100fps @ 100Hz solid
-compared to-
32GK850G which is "orange" level at 60% smear when 120fps @ 120hz solid.
I wonder what it's level and overshoot would be at "4" overdrive at 120fps~120hz. . I think they are only showing 120hz at "5" overdrive for 0% but big overdrive error
It could end up very comparable to the gk850g's quoted 60%. Also remember that even dialing graphics down some on a flagship gpu you would be lucky to be running a frame rate average roller coaster of frame rates like 70 <<100fps average>>130fps on a 3840 x 2160 resolution on more demanding games - so you'd only be over 100fps during part of the fluctuating frame rate graph and you'd probably want to cap the frame rate at 117fps to avoid running over and into v-sync input lag again. So you could end up +/- 40% throughout your graph.
edit . that graph is ignoring the slowest transitions which the unboxed review made a whole graph of. In the unboxed worst transitions test, the 43 inch asus was 1/3 or more slower on those transitions so idk how that resolves in actual usage in general, and and with variable and lower frame rates.
in the "yellow" at 40% when 100fps @ 100Hz solid
-compared to-
32GK850G which is "orange" level at 60% smear when 120fps @ 120hz solid.
I wonder what it's level and overshoot would be at "4" overdrive at 120fps~120hz. . I think they are only showing 120hz at "5" overdrive for 0% but big overdrive error
It could end up very comparable to the gk850g's quoted 60%. Also remember that even dialing graphics down some on a flagship gpu you would be lucky to be running a frame rate average roller coaster of frame rates like 70 <<100fps average>>130fps on a 3840 x 2160 resolution on more demanding games - so you'd only be over 100fps during part of the fluctuating frame rate graph and you'd probably want to cap the frame rate at 117fps to avoid running over and into v-sync input lag again. So you could end up +/- 40% throughout your graph.
edit . that graph is ignoring the slowest transitions which the unboxed review made a whole graph of. In the unboxed worst transitions test, the 43 inch asus was 1/3 or more slower on those transitions so idk how that resolves in actual usage in general, and and with variable and lower frame rates.
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tft cenral review is much more interesting and more in depth than first one - monitor looks better now.
i told you, 438q is almost great monitor; downsides are connected with va technology.. of course just announced asus pro art ips 32 120hz 1600hdr will be better, maybe even perfect, but i think price will be 2 or 3 times higher than 438q. and release date - who knows? maybe 2021?
i told you, 438q is almost great monitor; downsides are connected with va technology.. of course just announced asus pro art ips 32 120hz 1600hdr will be better, maybe even perfect, but i think price will be 2 or 3 times higher than 438q. and release date - who knows? maybe 2021?
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tft cenral review is much more interesting and more in depth than first one - monitor looks better now.
i told you, 438q is almost great monitor; downsides are connected with va technology.. of course just announced asus pro art ips 32 120hz 1600hdr will be better, maybe even perfect, but i think price will be 2 or 3 times higher than 438q. and release date - who knows? maybe 2021?
https://www.cnet.com/news/asus-pa32ucg-monitor-out-specs-apples-pro-display-xdr-at-least-on-paper/
early listing of the UCX .. PA32UCX is $4000 at b&h
ASUS 32" ProArt PA32UCX 4K HDR Mini LED Professional Monitor B&H # ASPA32UCX MFR # PA32UCX
plus considerable tax on a high priced item like that which for me would be another $350.
Sometimes things are list priced higher in pre-order and just out of the gate on some sites but I'd still expect that display to be quite expensive.
The CNET article said they expect the UCG to be around the same price as the apple which is about $5000.
I don't see any price for the Asus ProArt PA32UCG yet.
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/a...vrr-1152-zone-miniled-backlight-and-hdr-1400/
If they would have done something similar in a 43" for ~ $2500 I would be in. Much more than that I'd rather save for an upcoming hdmi 2.1 120hz 4k vrr high density FALD tv at 70"+ for my living room in the next year+, and look toward spending on whenever nvidia gpus get hdmi 2.1 and a die shrink.
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In 2 years, surely there will be much better 'Gaming monitors' by then anyways.
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Yeah but "coming soon" in another 2 years tho
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Would you really want to spend $5000 plus tax on a 32 inch monitor "for now" that might not even be hdmi 2.1 when 2020+ should have FALD hdmi 2.1 tvs for considerably less, there will be gaming monitors with hdmi 2.1 (perhaps even based on similar tech but not pro art) , and the eventually hdmi 2.1 and die shrink gpus should run 4k better?
I think $5000 (~ 5440 with tax here) is budgeting too much for primarily personal gaming and multimedia use and not a professional studio monitor on a company dime. That's two to three times what I'd spend on what would have to be an amazing monitor, and I'd prefer a 21.1" tall 43" to a 15.4" tall 32", and I'm not interested in ~ 13" tall smaller 16:9 and 21:9 monitors at all anymore (even the 37.5" diagonal 21:10 monitors are 14.4" tall). I'm looking forward to a big tv upgrade in 2020-2021 and whenever a Ti tier die shrink gpu comes out with hdmi 2.1, and I'll probably pick up a ps5 with hdmi 2.1 (and some form of hacked/work-around/hybrid 4k 120hz capability) for exclusives too.
For now, $999 + tax to $1200 + tax for this 43" asus might still be a little high priced but seems like an ok deal as long as it's spec's (outside of real HDR) performance in actual usage are good. You are paying for the displayport in order to get 120hz capablity off of a non -hdmi 2.1 gpu, and paying for the overdrive implementation and tighter response times. Otherwise this would be comparable to a $400 tv which are quite good but lacking in those features.
I think $5000 (~ 5440 with tax here) is budgeting too much for primarily personal gaming and multimedia use and not a professional studio monitor on a company dime. That's two to three times what I'd spend on what would have to be an amazing monitor, and I'd prefer a 21.1" tall 43" to a 15.4" tall 32", and I'm not interested in ~ 13" tall smaller 16:9 and 21:9 monitors at all anymore (even the 37.5" diagonal 21:10 monitors are 14.4" tall). I'm looking forward to a big tv upgrade in 2020-2021 and whenever a Ti tier die shrink gpu comes out with hdmi 2.1, and I'll probably pick up a ps5 with hdmi 2.1 (and some form of hacked/work-around/hybrid 4k 120hz capability) for exclusives too.
For now, $999 + tax to $1200 + tax for this 43" asus might still be a little high priced but seems like an ok deal as long as it's spec's (outside of real HDR) performance in actual usage are good. You are paying for the displayport in order to get 120hz capablity off of a non -hdmi 2.1 gpu, and paying for the overdrive implementation and tighter response times. Otherwise this would be comparable to a $400 tv which are quite good but lacking in those features.
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Some of us have to look at a monitor for many hours a day to make a living. And having something
that kicks ass for productivity and gaming is ideal. A 32" 4k120 IPS / 1000+ LED FALD would be worth it and so would a 32" 4k120 OLED 120FPS.
This 43" you speak of is a waste of time. Horrific VA smear. Moronic BGR pixel layout. Shitastic motion clarity. It could be $500 and I still would not bother.
Currently I am using a 27" Nitro 4k144hz 10bpc and it is a way better deal than that 43" IMHO.
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I've used more than one monitor for years because you can never get it all in one. There are always trade-offs historically.
I had a 24.5" fw900 graphics professional crt next to a few different LCDs for years. When 27" 120hz gaming monitors came out they were 1080p glossy TN so I had a 1440p ips next to it, I kept that 1440p ips next to the first 1440p g-sync 144hz monitor (TN). Now I have 43" 4k VA tvs with up to 6100:1 contrast ratio, originally next to the 144hz g-sync TN but now swapped with a 32" 1440p 120hz-144hz g-sync VA. The tradeoff now is that my gaming monitor's ppi and uniformity is less and the colors are less accurate but vibrant when tweaked - so it's not as useful as a desktop/app monitor outside of games except as a file manager or web browser window. It's still a good upgrade for gaming purposes, with triple the black depth and contrast and a much larger gaming viewport compared to my 27" g-sync monitor. This 43" would be mostly a size and ppi increase (and a big fps drop) for $1200 to me so I was on the fence 50/50 for awhile. Personally I have no interest in 13" tall monitors like 27" diagonal 16:9s and 34" ultrawide monitors anymore so they are out.
I still contend that for even enthusiasts, $5000 is too much for a monitor for most people who haven't had it sponsored/written off by a company in some fashion. I'm not cheap about my hardware when I buy on my personal roadmaps but i have my limits. I could probably get a 65" - 77" hdmi 2.1 OLED or samsung Q9 tier FALD in 2020 - 2021 and maybe even a die shrunk nvidia hdmi 2.1 gpu and a ps5 for that much money. I think $2000 - $2500 is enough for a high end gaming monitor already. I just wish there was a large one available with FALD and better specs. Like I said this 43" seems a little high priced for what it is and it is cashing in on the lack of hdmi 2.1 displays (both tvs and monitors) and hdmi 2.1 output gpus with it's displayport and gaming overdrive. Otherwise it would be the same or worse than either of my two 43" tvs which I bought for $240 and $275 respectively.
I had a 24.5" fw900 graphics professional crt next to a few different LCDs for years. When 27" 120hz gaming monitors came out they were 1080p glossy TN so I had a 1440p ips next to it, I kept that 1440p ips next to the first 1440p g-sync 144hz monitor (TN). Now I have 43" 4k VA tvs with up to 6100:1 contrast ratio, originally next to the 144hz g-sync TN but now swapped with a 32" 1440p 120hz-144hz g-sync VA. The tradeoff now is that my gaming monitor's ppi and uniformity is less and the colors are less accurate but vibrant when tweaked - so it's not as useful as a desktop/app monitor outside of games except as a file manager or web browser window. It's still a good upgrade for gaming purposes, with triple the black depth and contrast and a much larger gaming viewport compared to my 27" g-sync monitor. This 43" would be mostly a size and ppi increase (and a big fps drop) for $1200 to me so I was on the fence 50/50 for awhile. Personally I have no interest in 13" tall monitors like 27" diagonal 16:9s and 34" ultrawide monitors anymore so they are out.
I still contend that for even enthusiasts, $5000 is too much for a monitor for most people who haven't had it sponsored/written off by a company in some fashion. I'm not cheap about my hardware when I buy on my personal roadmaps but i have my limits. I could probably get a 65" - 77" hdmi 2.1 OLED or samsung Q9 tier FALD in 2020 - 2021 and maybe even a die shrunk nvidia hdmi 2.1 gpu and a ps5 for that much money. I think $2000 - $2500 is enough for a high end gaming monitor already. I just wish there was a large one available with FALD and better specs. Like I said this 43" seems a little high priced for what it is and it is cashing in on the lack of hdmi 2.1 displays (both tvs and monitors) and hdmi 2.1 output gpus with it's displayport and gaming overdrive. Otherwise it would be the same or worse than either of my two 43" tvs which I bought for $240 and $275 respectively.
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I work at my PC for 8-10 hours/day. No way in hell would I ever drop anything close to $5K or even $2K on a monitor, regardless of it's specs. Until or unless we get a 40"-43" OLED, MicroLED, or something similar, I'll stick with 4K TVs like my $650 Samsung 43" Q60 QLED. Certainly doesn't boast superior specs, but the PQ is quite good. I've never gamed on a monitor or TV over 60hz, so don't know what I'm missing. Every game I play looks pretty smooth on my Q60, so I'm good with what I have on my desk.
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The acer nitros not bad...panels about as good as the X27 was. Its temp for me anyway as I am always changing displays....was considering the 43" but now wont as its absolute trash.
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I have a 43" 4k TV on each side of my 32" GK850G .. the TCL s405 on the left is RGB , the samsung on the right is BGR. I have no issues with text between the two at all using 100% scaling default text.
I am using cleartype on all monitors. Each of the TVs-as-monitors has a sharpness control in the OSD +/-, and I view them from ~ 38" about 3' away from screen surface to my eyeballs.
For comfort I use a medium grey windows 10 theme, dark mode in apps, custom 3rd party manager colors and backgrounds and fonts, and I use nosquint or color changer browser addons for obnoxious web pages.
Several of the apps I'm using on the samsung have small default text like foobar, powermixer volume mixer, and the default menus in most apps, etc. Some of my chat apps have a light grey background so not all text is on dark backgrounds but I try to avoid white wherever possible as a personal preference on any monitor/system.
If the asus 43" 's BGR is the same as my experience with the samsung in windows 10, then the BGR aspect would be a non issue. I can't say that the asus 43" has the same quality and sharpness customization as the samsung tv though since I've never seen the asus, and the samsung has 6100:1 sdr contrast compared to 3800:1 on the 43" asus.
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My biggest concern was how the black smearing would be considering it's overdrive implementation and response times compared to the bar set by my LG gk850g, how well the freesync works on nvidia cards compared to g-sync, how comparable the uniformity is to my other VAs, the typical contrast and black depth, and how vibrant the colors are.
I am using cleartype on all monitors. Each of the TVs-as-monitors has a sharpness control in the OSD +/-, and I view them from ~ 38" about 3' away from screen surface to my eyeballs.
For comfort I use a medium grey windows 10 theme, dark mode in apps, custom 3rd party manager colors and backgrounds and fonts, and I use nosquint or color changer browser addons for obnoxious web pages.
Several of the apps I'm using on the samsung have small default text like foobar, powermixer volume mixer, and the default menus in most apps, etc. Some of my chat apps have a light grey background so not all text is on dark backgrounds but I try to avoid white wherever possible as a personal preference on any monitor/system.
If the asus 43" 's BGR is the same as my experience with the samsung in windows 10, then the BGR aspect would be a non issue. I can't say that the asus 43" has the same quality and sharpness customization as the samsung tv though since I've never seen the asus, and the samsung has 6100:1 sdr contrast compared to 3800:1 on the 43" asus.
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My biggest concern was how the black smearing would be considering it's overdrive implementation and response times compared to the bar set by my LG gk850g, how well the freesync works on nvidia cards compared to g-sync, how comparable the uniformity is to my other VAs, the typical contrast and black depth, and how vibrant the colors are.
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after days of using 438q - this monitor is phenomenal for gaming. Maybe best in the market today. HDR gaming is great, 43 inch and 4k also great . As i said freesync work without any problems with nvidia cards.
But unfortunately my copy has very noticeable backlight bleeding in lower left corner.. maybe there is a way to
fix it? its clearly visible in darker games, photos or movies.
. As i said freesync work without any problems with nvidia cards.But unfortunately my copy has very noticeable backlight bleeding in lower left corner.. maybe there is a way to
fix it? its clearly visible in darker games, photos or movies.
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after days of using 438q - this monitor is phenomenal for gaming. Maybe best in the market today. HDR gaming is great, 43 inch and 4k also great
But unfortunately my copy has very noticeable backlight bleeding in lower left corner.. maybe there is a way to
fix it? its clearly visible in darker games, photos or movies.
Have you tried rotating the entire display 180 degrees?
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WTF have we come to in 2019... turning monitors upside down to get the optimal experience. Why not stand on your head? Or suspend yourself from the ceiling using an elaborate hoist and pulley system? Oooh, I know... how about DON'T BUY THE FRICKIN' THING!?!
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I'd guess that bleed is from one of the edge backlights flashlighting and the layers or housing not being perfectly sandwiched in a perfectly flat plane. That is, sometimes it's because of the flex/bend of the plastic housing itself.
There's usually not much you can do about it but I remember when I had an old rear projection 55" tv I could literally bend the frame (carefully) to even things out. Pressing the screen with a screen wipe cloth and a cloth behind it might flex it some, or literally starting to disassemble the screen housing to loosen the frame. Of course you could make it worse or break it doing any of that so you've been warned. Other than that, high backlight/brightness settings seem to exacerbate bleed making it's flare larger so you could try turning down the brightness or backlight to make the flare-bleed more moderate. I can only imagine that it would be even worse with HDR brightness levels though. I'd expect some flashlighting and flaring especially in HDR material without FALD, but only in one corner sounds like a manufacturing defect, and perhaps due to frame warping. That's one reason I'd try to stick with places that have a good return policy.
There's usually not much you can do about it but I remember when I had an old rear projection 55" tv I could literally bend the frame (carefully) to even things out. Pressing the screen with a screen wipe cloth and a cloth behind it might flex it some, or literally starting to disassemble the screen housing to loosen the frame. Of course you could make it worse or break it doing any of that so you've been warned. Other than that, high backlight/brightness settings seem to exacerbate bleed making it's flare larger so you could try turning down the brightness or backlight to make the flare-bleed more moderate. I can only imagine that it would be even worse with HDR brightness levels though. I'd expect some flashlighting and flaring especially in HDR material without FALD, but only in one corner sounds like a manufacturing defect, and perhaps due to frame warping. That's one reason I'd try to stick with places that have a good return policy.
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Any gaming screen you buy can have backlight bleed. Yes it sucks but it's by no means something isolated to this monitor model. Larger screens in plastic frames might have a better chance of it happening though. Ironically, the corners are were the VA shift normally would make the screen darker but his backlight bleed mfg defect is making it too light in one corner. It must be pretty bad if it's that obvious in movies and games rather than a no signal screen or a black test image. The few owners in this thread other than burt972 made no mention of backlight bleed and the two reviews also made no mention of it.
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Bleed etc. is a separate thing... it plagues most monitors tbh, or certainly can, and not what I was referring to. The BGR issue though, this is a puzzle. I would very much like the question to be asked of Asus WHY this was done, and if it was simply a cost saving measure (and if so, why they thought it was a good idea), or if there are significant technical limitations to having it as the preferred RGB orientation. I am sure I've read some TV's are RGB (not BGR), so it is seemingly possible. It makes me wonder why on earth they're bothering with the XG43UQ if that will be the same, as there is no question going the BGR route has cost them sales... I've lost count the number of people who've now ruled this monitor out as a result (I'm one of them).
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If you read my last several replies I mentioned having a 43" TV on each side of my 32" gaming monitor.
The left one is RGB and the right one is BGR. I have no issues with the BGR compared to the RGB.
I'm using 100% scaling at 3' away from the middle of the screens to my eyeballs. I'm using windows 10, cleartype and the sharpness settings +/- in the tv's OSDisplay controls.
According to some other replies here, you could also run the monitor upside down on a vesa mount if it really botthered you and it would be RGB - but from my experience I didn't even realize my fully tweaked samsung 43" was BGR until I looked it up to be honest, even with a RGB 43" in the same array.
The left one is RGB and the right one is BGR. I have no issues with the BGR compared to the RGB.
I'm using 100% scaling at 3' away from the middle of the screens to my eyeballs. I'm using windows 10, cleartype and the sharpness settings +/- in the tv's OSDisplay controls.
According to some other replies here, you could also run the monitor upside down on a vesa mount if it really botthered you and it would be RGB - but from my experience I didn't even realize my fully tweaked samsung 43" was BGR until I looked it up to be honest, even with a RGB 43" in the same array.
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