Current Win 10 to Windows 7 UI setup?

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I've never had Win 10 on a personal machine of mine. I can use it enough to get around on family members and work computers for basic break fix type stuff... But the end of the Windows 7 road is in a week or so for me when the rest of my new builds parts are due to arrive.

What is the current working, solution for returning a somewhat Windows 7 UI into Windows 10?
 
yeah, start getting used to it and you can always use good old control panel too. just type it in the search and create a shortcut to it.
 
I just wanted to eliminate the blocky start menu/ windows. Perhaps add a switching desktop background back in.. I can search for stuff enough to get around well enough.
 
I just wanted to eliminate the blocky start menu/ windows. Perhaps add a switching desktop background back in.. I can search for stuff enough to get around well enough.
Those window panes on the right side can all be removed.
 
I just wanted to eliminate the blocky start menu/ windows. Perhaps add a switching desktop background back in.. I can search for stuff enough to get around well enough.
You can just unpin the tiles if you don't like them. I encourage trying them though, as they are pretty convenient.

Name a very specific, single task, that you perform *regularly*, that you feel may be different in Windows 10 in a way that makes it harder to do or find.
 
The live tiles don't really bother me. Lack of Aero, transparency, switching backgrounds and I guess some of how stuff is organized is what I don't like. I didn't know about just searching for control panel to get the old one, so that helps.

I should mention that, if Windows 8/10 mobile was still a thing my cell phone would still be on that platform. I actually use Windows launcher in Android now
 
You can just unpin the tiles if you don't like them. I encourage trying them though, as they are pretty convenient.

Name a very specific, single task, that you perform *regularly*, that you feel may be different in Windows 10 in a way that makes it harder to do or find.
It's the not so commonly needed things that are now a lot harder to find and do that are the problem. Common things will never be a problem since you use them regularly and will remember where they are.
 
Lack of Aero
Aero had it's time. Aero debuted in Vista in 2006, and was retired in Windows 8 in 2012. Six years. It's been seven years since then. Aero stopped being a theme on Windows longer than it was a theme.
transparency
The current 'frosted glass' transparency is there, even if it not as showy and "look at me" as Aero was. It lends itself to the idea that one should not be gawking at window borders but instead focused on the content of the window.
switching backgrounds
Windows 10 still supports Slideshow wallpapers, if that is what you mean.
I didn't know about just searching for control panel to get the old one, so that helps.
It's also under Windows System, and can be shortcutted or whatever. Even made into a Start tile!
 
It's the not so commonly needed things that are now a lot harder to find and do that are the problem. Common things will never be a problem since you use them regularly and will remember where they are.
OK. What'a a not-common thing one would do on pre-Win 10? List the steps in Pre-Win10 to reach that particular thing. List a bunch if you like.
 
OK. What'a a not-common thing one would do on pre-Win 10? List the steps in Pre-Win10 to reach that particular thing. List a bunch if you like.
Oh a lot of settings such as networking, control panel (all messed up and having to hunt settings) etc. Anyone who has recently made the jump knows this. Microsoft has made accessing certain settings more obscure with each revision of windows.
 
Oh a lot of settings such as networking, control panel (all messed up and having to hunt settings) etc. Anyone who has recently made the jump knows this. Microsoft has made accessing certain settings more obscure with each revision of windows.
I couldn't agree more with this. Microsoft has been improving the settings app for years now, but it's still a jumbled mess of legacy and "modern" settings with no real cohesion. As an example, I wanted to set the timer that controls requiring a password once the screen goes to sleep. This setting is part of the screen saver settings. After poking around in settings looking for the obvious link or something, spoiler: it either doesn't exist or is in a location that doesn't make sense, I finally just searched for it. I was then able to open the legacy settings panel for screen savers and set the password requirement. That is a perfect example of how badly MS has screwed this up by doing things a little bit at a time, instead of a complete overhaul like they should've. The fact that the legacy control panel, and the new settings app both exist on Windows 10 is beyond stupid and exceptionally poor design. Personally, I'd be fine with keeping the traditional control panel, but if MS decides to go all in on the new settings app, then they should've had it completed first before shipping it. They made this same mistake back in Windows 8, and it persists in Windows 10 now. The UI/UE as a whole lacks cohesion, and just feels like an unfinished product.

Also, as a side gripe, I HATE how much Windows 10 bugs me with notifications (both visual and audio), and just constantly wants to grab my attention away from what I'm doing. I love the earlier post about how the lack of focus on aero effects is supposed to encourage users not to look at the pretty effects. Please, give me a break. It's just a modern design choice, and it admittedly looks nice. I'm personally glad aero is dead, but let's not pretend like Windows just "gets out of your way and lets you work."
 
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Oh a lot of settings such as networking, control panel (all messed up and having to hunt settings) etc. Anyone who has recently made the jump knows this. Microsoft has made accessing certain settings more obscure with each revision of windows.

Control Panel is still there in literally the same form as it was in Windows 7. Just click start and type Control Panel. You can even pin it to Start if you right click it and click "Pin to Start".
 

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Control Panel is still there in literally the same form as it was in Windows 7. Just click start and type Control Panel. You can even pin it to Start if you right click it and click "Pin to Start".
Not true. Yes, control panel exists, but to claim it does everything it used to is either a blatant lie, or spoken by someone who never actually looked at it and just did a search for it. For example, please show me a screenshot of the legacy display settings control panel item. Oh, that's right. It doesn't exist. So no, this argument that you can just use the control panel if you don't like the settings app is completely false. The display settings is just one example. Control panel is neutered, and now we are forced to jump back and forth between "modern" and legacy settings dialogs because MS can't design a UI properly. Windows 10 is nothing but half measures.
 
Not true. Yes, control panel exists, but to claim it does everything it used to is either a blatant lie, or spoken by someone who never actually looked at it and just did a search for it. For example, please show me a screenshot of the legacy display settings control panel item. Oh, that's right. It doesn't exist. So no, this argument that you can just use the control panel if you don't like the settings app is completely false. The display settings is just one example. Control panel is neutered, and now we are forced to jump back and forth between "modern" and legacy settings dialogs because MS can't design a UI properly. Windows 10 is nothing but half measures.

1) Reserved for when I get home and back on a Windows 10 machine. I'll see what I can dig up as far as Display Settings.

2) As a long time Windows 10 holdout who just recently switched from Windows 7 (less than a couple months ago at this point), I will happily admit that once I switched over to Windows 10, it was far FAAARRR less of an ordeal/bad experience/mess of an OS than a lot of people make it out to be. It's actually been quite a pleasant experience and I now run it on all of my Windows machines and have no real desire to go back to Windows 7. And anymore, I honestly don't use the Control Panel. I either right click the Start Menu and get to my disk management, computer management, etc that way (much prefer this over Windows 7) or click start and type the first few letters of what I want and click that. The start menu search feature, in my own personal experience (can't speak for everyone), has been great for me. No more poking around control panel or the app list or whatever to get to what I want. Just type a few letters and I'm off to the races.

3) Feeling defensive are we? Your post come across that way. That's not a dig, that's just how it's interpreted. Anywho, you said "So no, this argument that you can just use the control panel if you don't like the settings app is completely false." I believe YOUR statement is false, good sir. It may not be perfect but it's still there. Again, I'm at work and not on a Windows 10 machine right now so I'll have to wait until I get home to dig deeper (again, I don't use control panel anymore because Windows 10 does it better FOR ME, not everyone may agree and this is really ok. People are allowed to have these things called "opinions". Yours is no more or less valid than mine) into what is/isn't neutered in Win10 control panel.

4) Windows 10 has issues, there is no denying that. But to say it is nothing but half measures is a bit of an extreme to me.
 
I couldn't agree more with this. Microsoft has been improving the settings app for years now, but it's still a jumbled mess of legacy and "modern" settings with no real cohesion. As an example, I wanted to set the timer that controls requiring a password once the screen goes to sleep. This setting is part of the screen saver settings. After poking around in settings looking for the obvious link or something, spoiler: it either doesn't exist or is in a location that doesn't make sense, I finally just searched for it. I was then able to open the legacy settings panel for screen savers and set the password requirement.
You got used to it in Windows 7. Did it move in Win10? Yes. It moved to the Lock Screen page.
 
Do yourself a favor and use startisback. IMO, it is the best alternative and the closest to windows 7 when it comes to looks. It works beautifully with me. I bought two licenses, one for my main box, and one for my laptop. It is just few bucks. You can use the free classic shell but I like startisback better. I will never understand why MS changed from something very practical to something awkward.
 
1) Reserved for when I get home and back on a Windows 10 machine. I'll see what I can dig up as far as Display Settings.

2) As a long time Windows 10 holdout who just recently switched from Windows 7 (less than a couple months ago at this point), I will happily admit that once I switched over to Windows 10, it was far FAAARRR less of an ordeal/bad experience/mess of an OS than a lot of people make it out to be. It's actually been quite a pleasant experience and I now run it on all of my Windows machines and have no real desire to go back to Windows 7. And anymore, I honestly don't use the Control Panel. I either right click the Start Menu and get to my disk management, computer management, etc that way (much prefer this over Windows 7) or click start and type the first few letters of what I want and click that. The start menu search feature, in my own personal experience (can't speak for everyone), has been great for me. No more poking around control panel or the app list or whatever to get to what I want. Just type a few letters and I'm off to the races.

3) Feeling defensive are we? Your post come across that way. That's not a dig, that's just how it's interpreted. Anywho, you said "So no, this argument that you can just use the control panel if you don't like the settings app is completely false." I believe YOUR statement is false, good sir. It may not be perfect but it's still there. Again, I'm at work and not on a Windows 10 machine right now so I'll have to wait until I get home to dig deeper (again, I don't use control panel anymore because Windows 10 does it better FOR ME, not everyone may agree and this is really ok. People are allowed to have these things called "opinions". Yours is no more or less valid than mine) into what is/isn't neutered in Win10 control panel.

4) Windows 10 has issues, there is no denying that. But to say it is nothing but half measures is a bit of an extreme to me.
Ok, I'll concede that my post was unnecessarily harsh. Sorry about that. I'm just frustrated with the way MS has handled things with Windows 10, be it UI/UX design decisions to not doing proper internal QA testing for Windows updates. Windows 10, especially when it first released, felt to me like a knee-jerk reaction to the negative reception of Windows 8/8.1. I wont deny that 8/8.1/10 all have significant improvements over 7 and before, especially under the hood, but they've also introduced some very serious regressions. The biggest really being with the way updates are handled. That is easily my biggest sticking point with 10. The number of major issues that have been introduced through improperly QA'ed updates is ridiculous.

Personally, I think the main reason for this is their reliance on insider test rings. They're trying to adopt the open source development and QA model, but they forgot a couple of things. Mainly that Windows isn't open source, so the testers can't see the code, and also that I would imagine most Windows Insiders don't file good bug reports, if any at all. I know that when I used to test the latest Xbox dashboards back on the 360 I never filed a bug report. The only reason I wanted into the beta was to get the new shiny. So, yes I'm fully admitting being part of the problem there. But, MS is now relying on insider feedback, and by all reports I've seen they are doing so almost exclusively.

I think the issues surrounding Windows 10 could've been avoided if they'd waited until things were truly ready. The settings app being the biggest culprit here. If they want to design a modern looking OS, then the whole OS should have that design. Instead it's a mishmash of legacy and modern design that can be jarring to use. And to heed off the "your a linux user stuff" I'm not going to sit here and sing the praises of almighty Linux and say that it's perfect, because it most certainly isn't, but at this point I'm honestly seeing more consistency in the Linux world than I am in the Microsoft world. That shouldn't be the case, considering MS is the only entity contributing to Windows development. Their design language keeps changing faster than their design can catch up. That's a problem, and while us power users don't really have an issue with eventually finding what we need, what about end users? Like you I also just search for whatever I need from the start menu, but most users don't do that. They open settings and get lost. Again, control panel wasn't necessarily better, but it was in place for so long that users at least new where to look. It was familiar. Now that isn't the case.

In closing, I don't really know what the solution is, but in my opinion, the current path that MS is on with Windows isn't making the situation better. It feels like kicking the can further down the road.
 
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Ok, I'll concede that my post was unnecessarily harsh. Sorry about that. I'm just frustrated with the way MS has handled things with Windows 10, be it UI/UX design decisions to not doing proper internal QA testing for Windows updates. Windows 10, especially when it first released, felt to me like a knee-jerk reaction to the negative reception of Windows 8/8.1. I wont deny that 8/8.1/10 all have significant improvements over 7 and before, especially under the hood, but they've also introduced some very serious regressions. The biggest really being with the way updates are handled. That is easily my biggest sticking point with 10. The number of major issues that have been introduced through improperly QA'ed updates is ridiculous.

Personally, I think the main reason for this is their reliance on insider test rings. They're trying to adopt the open source development and QA model, but they forgot a couple of things. Mainly that Windows isn't open source, so the testers can't see the code, and also that I would imagine most Windows Insiders don't file good bug reports, if any at all. I know that when I used to test the latest Xbox dashboards back on the 360 I never filed a bug report. The only reason I wanted into the beta was to get the new shiny. So, yes I'm fully admitting being part of the problem there. But, MS is now relying on insider feedback, and by all reports I've seen they are doing so almost exclusively.

I think the issues surrounding Windows 10 could've been avoided if they'd waited until things were truly ready. The settings app being the biggest culprit here. If they want to design a modern looking OS, then the whole OS should have that design. Instead it's a mishmash of legacy and modern design that can be jarring to use. And to heed off the "your a linux user stuff" I'm not going to sit here and sing the praises of almighty Linux and say that it's perfect, because it most certainly isn't, but at this point I'm honestly seeing more consistency in the Linux world than I am in the Microsoft world. That shouldn't be the case, considering MS is the only entity contributing to Windows development. Their design language keeps changing faster than their design can catch up. That's a problem, and while us power users don't really have an issue with eventually finding what we need, what about end users? Like you I also just search for whatever I need from the start menu, but most users don't do that. They open settings and get lost. Again, control panel wasn't necessarily better, but it was in place for so long that users at least new where to look. It was familiar. Now that isn't the case.

In closing, I don't really know what the solution is, but in my opinion, the current path that MS is on with Windows isn't making the situation better. It feels like kicking the can further down the road.

It's all good, I've been known to get worked up a time or two. I will agree with you about Windows update. I personally have not had any issues with it I'm sure in part to being a late adopter. And being a late adopter, I also avoided many of the growing pains of the OS so my opinion will be different than someone who has been dealing with the OS since day one, less soured I feel is a decent way to put it. I am of course knocking on wood (I did literally knock on my desk) that I didn't just jinx myself and now I'm going to have update issues down the line.

I do see your point about "If they want to design a modern looking OS, then the whole OS should have that design." and I generally agree. I can see why Microsoft would include some legacy stuff like Control Panel but to me, that is just going to further make things more difficult for people moving to the OS. They are going to see Control Panel and go "Ohh!! I know what that is!!". Then, because of the mix of legacy and new, they go down a dark rabbit hole. All or nothing, Microsoft: new and modern or classic. That being said, I absolutely bleeping hate how they group the Control Panel/Settings/whateveritscalledtoday into categories. I spend more time thinking about what category the thing I'm looking falls into then looking for that category than I would just looking for Network Settings or Display Settings or whatever the case may be.

But overall, as a whole, I have found myself liking it more than I thought it would coming from Win7. Our PC's at work still use Win7 (and C2D CPU's, and 2-4gb of RAM, usually 2 or 3gb, and spinning hard drives, etc) so I still use Windows 7 on a day to day basis because of that. And, I never thought I'd say it, but I kinda miss Win10 when I'm on 7 now. I'm just curious what the company I work for is going to do come the end of Win7 support (which is what forced me to switch in the end). We deal a lot with HIPPA and private information so using an exposed OS doesn't seem smart but with the age of our hardware, I wouldn't want to run Win10 on the machines around here. Not only would it be slow, but these parts are now over 10 years old with 24/7 on time and spinning hard drives. Not going to be reliable long term. They're going to have to nut up and buy new machines for the vast majority of our buildings but that's a big expense so who knows what'll happen. I've doctored my work PC up a bit (upped it to 8gb of RAM and added a dedicated GPU so I can multimonitor) so I'm ok right now but that stuff came out of my pocket. BTW, while I'm thinking of it, multimonitor handling is one thing Win10 beats the crap out of Win7 on out of the box. I always used Ultramon on Win7 and while it did what I needed, it wasn't my favorite app.

Anywho, I'll quit rambling. Cheers all
 
Lets face it. Windows 10 is lame attempt to partly backtrack from the complete unified UI for desktop and mobile/convertible/tablet/touch idea of Windows 8, but still trying to keep touch working for convertible/tablets and that is why its so awful.

We need a desktop only Windows and separate app only touch version for mobile. Or just give up on touch entirely.
 
Control Panel is still there in literally the same form as it was in Windows 7. Just click start and type Control Panel. You can even pin it to Start if you right click it and click "Pin to Start".
Exactly, you need to search for it. Before it was directly accessible through GUI. The new 'settinga' obscures many controls that used to be directly available.
 
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Lets face it. Windows 10 is lame attempt to partly backtrack from the complete unified UI for desktop and mobile/convertible/tablet/touch idea of Windows 8, but still trying to keep touch working for convertible/tablets and that is why its so awful.

We need a desktop only Windows and separate app only touch version for mobile. Or just give up on touch entirely.
MS failed on mobile on all fronts. They should give up and concentrate on the desktop.
 
I was going to say something along the following lines, though someone else did, so I quote o7

yeah, start getting used to it and you can always use good old control panel too. just type it in the search and create a shortcut to it.

I take a bit to get used to, but Win10 for good or bad takes a bit of time to "figure out"
there are many 3rd party tools etc to make somewhat easier, but, often enough the way you have to jump here there and everywhere, probably best off to do exactly as described..take the 3-10mins to find the links most folks had in 1-3 steps win 7.....make a shortcut, pin to start, make some adjustments and good to go.

the thing I wish they kept it "my computer" as a desktop lnk. the one tool I got and advise is

Classic old task manager in windows 10, they have numerous other tools at the url
https://winaero.com/blog/get-classic-old-task-manager-in-windows-10/
the rest such as shut up 10 etc are "out there"

much like Russian Nesting Dolls, you open one up thinking it is the final one, but no, there is another buried in there as well ^.^
 
tbh iver completly stopped using the start menu in windows 10
it just a horrie slow mess
Im solely use search/run now at least that make me circumwent the horrid setting/control panel navigation for most things
 
I look at the screen.
Screen is in the same location.

Smart-aleck responses don't help.
Exactly, you need to search for it. Before it was directly accessible through GUI. The new 'settinga' obscures many controls that used to be directly available.
I'm enjoying this intense fixation on Control Panel. I wasn't aware people spent so many hours in it every day.

They moved it into a folder. One tier off the All Apps. Oh noes. Also, I know "searching" is a time-consuming, very arduous process. I tap Start, then press.. "c". Control Panel is shown. Welp, so much for my lunch break?
 
It wasn't a joke. I honestly can't stand the flat Metro (or whatever) mobile phone wannabe design.
I really don't see what you see. I have very little "flat Metro" because most of my screen are the apps I'm working with, not their title bars. The few Win10-style apps I use look much better on HiDPI displays than older desktop apps, and scale properly. Even the rinky-dink Win10 Mail app is way, WAY more usable on a 4K display than Outlook (2016 at least) is.

Flat design is the in-thing now across large swaths of the tech ecosystem, it's hardly unique to Windows.
 
Lets face it. Windows 10 is lame attempt to partly backtrack from the complete unified UI for desktop and mobile/convertible/tablet/touch idea of Windows 8, but still trying to keep touch working for convertible/tablets and that is why its so awful.

We need a desktop only Windows and separate app only touch version for mobile. Or just give up on touch entirely.
This. Exactly. MS is still trying to "keep the tip in" with the ugly metro tiles on the frankenstart menu. Or they were. The CEO no longer cares about windows desktop, so the remnants of their failed mobile push will just continue to linger in Windows 10.

OP:. www.startisback.com

Ignore the stockholm syndromers claiming W10's frankenstart is "just fine" and "just unpin the tiles you don't want". Next forced update, all that garbage can come back again when MS resets to defaults again. I got tired of having to reconfigure every time MS came out with another half baked "feature update".
 
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I can get over the start menu. It's different but not that different.

The UI - again, different, but not that different.

The settings/control panel thing though... some things are still the older control panel, some things are newer "Settings"... and every major patch revision they move things around. For instance: The Network Control Panel that you used to be able to get at by right clicking the Networking widget in the task bar -- now that's hidden and it takes you to the Networking Settings panel, which isn't the same thing at all). That does drive me nuts. Also some settings only adjustable with Pro/Enterprise, and not with Home.

Notifications are annoying.. now I get a notification that notifications are turned off so I can concentrate better. Except they just sent me a notification for that which keeps popping up...

And then there's the random crap for Office that will keep popping back up.

I bitch about it. I did like WIn7 better. Win7 wasn't perfect, it had plenty to bitch about too. But the world has moved on, and so am I.
 
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I do, however, really like being able to hit the WIndows key and just start typing for search. It does help when I have no idea what I'm trying to do is still in the Control Panel or Settings - it usually gets me to the right spot.
 
I do, however, really like being able to hit the WIndows key and just start typing for search. It does help when I have no idea what I'm trying to do is still in the Control Panel or Settings - it usually gets me to the right spot.

You could do that since Vista. Maybe XP even.
 
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I can get over the start menu. It's different but not that different.

The UI - again, different, but not that different.

The settings/control panel thing though... some things are still the older control panel, some things are newer "Settings"... and every major patch revision they move things around. For instance: The Network Control Panel that you used to be able to get at by right clicking the Networking widget in the task bar -- now that's hidden and it takes you to the Networking Settings panel, which isn't the same thing at all). That does drive me nuts. Also some settings only adjustable with Pro/Enterprise, and not with Home.

Notifications are annoying.. now I get a notification that notifications are turned off so I can concentrate better. Except they just sent me a notification for that which keeps popping up...

And then there's the random crap for Office that will keep popping back up.

I bitch about it. I did like WIn7 better. Win7 wasn't perfect, it had plenty to bitch about too. But the world has moved on, and so am I.

This is my biggest issue with 10. It would be nice to have it all in one menu. They have removed functionality and moved other deep into menus in settings. Just trying to set a static up address or change an audio source is a headache using the new settings menu. I want one setting menu but I want all of the functionality to be there. This is a big problem that should have been addressed now. 10 is 4 years old.
 
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