Microsoft Updated its terms of service

[Mazzspeed]

You can still be connected to the Internet (via an Ethernet cable), skip the connectivity step, and create a local account. So, there is a way, while connected to the Internet, according to the article you linked, to create a local account on a Windows 1809 installation if you select the correct option! I am not disputing that 1809 makes it difficult for the unsuspecting or uneducated person running the installer to create a local account, but it is most certainly possible.

From memory the OOBE I received was actually different to the one in the article, I never got the option not to connect to the internet if an ethernet cable was connected, and no, I did not miss a step.

Microsoft have made nothing 'confusing' - If you are connected to the internet while installing, which most are and in many cases you do not get a choice (bootcamp), chances are you will be forced to create a Microsoft account via the cloud based OOBE. Eventually that OOBE will be part of the default ISO OOBE. That's called manipulation, not confusion.

 

[Grimlaking]

From memory the OOBE I received was actually different to the one in the article, I never got the option not to connect to the internet if an ethernet cable was connected, and no, I did not miss a step.

Microsoft have made nothing 'confusing' - If you are connected to the internet while installing, which most are and in many cases you do not get a choice (bootcamp), chances are you will be forced to create a Microsoft account via the cloud based OOBE. Eventually that OOBE will be part of the default ISO OOBE. That's called manipulation, not confusion.

While I agree what you say is likely. It is not the end case. You can still go into the user manager and create a local user account with Administrative rights then use that user to delete the MS user. There are and will be workarounds to the problem you are postulating.

AND your statement is talking about a future that we don't actually know (in spite of the probability involved.). So it's just guess work at this point based on past observations.

I think everyone in this thread gets it you don't like MS's practices around this and feel threatened by the large corporation.

I understand and in many cases feel your worry as well. But I am smarter than the machine and will be able to exist as a fringe user for some time yet. If and when that changes I'll make the needed adjustments.

But I do use a windows account based on a old hotmail email address. So... maybe I'm a part of the machine already and it's too late?

 

[Mazzspeed]

While I agree what you say is likely. It is not the end case. You can still go into the user manager and create a local user account with Administrative rights then use that user to delete the MS user. There are and will be workarounds to the problem you are postulating.

AND your statement is talking about a future that we don't actually know (in spite of the probability involved.). So it's just guess work at this point based on past observations.

I think everyone in this thread gets it you don't like MS's practices around this and feel threatened by the large corporation.

I understand and in many cases feel your worry as well. But I am smarter than the machine and will be able to exist as a fringe user for some time yet. If and when that changes I'll make the needed adjustments.

But I do use a windows account based on a old hotmail email address. So... maybe I'm a part of the machine already and it's too late?

The user manager under Windows 10 Home barely exists and from memory the option to swap the account from a Microsoft account to a local account is no longer there under WIndows 10 Home. I had to use netplwiz and create a new account, set it as Administrator and delete the Microsoft account I never wanted.

I don't feel threatened by a large corporation, why would I feel threatened? I believe the US style of capitalism is a downright greedy joke - That's what I believe and I'm not far wrong. I am not a commodity, I am not a consumer cash cow.

[EDIT] The option to switch to a local account is still there, once you've jumped through hoops setting up a Microsoft account due to the fact it was forced onto you. Microsoft know the average user isn't going to know to install Windows offline and when installing via Ethernet there is absolutely no option offering an install disconnected from the network.

And I can confirm the use of a PIN is forced onto you.

 

[jardows]

The user manager under Windows 10 Home barely exists and from memory the option to swap the account from a Microsoft account to a local account is no longer there under WIndows 10 Home. I had to use netplwiz and create a new account, set it as Administrator and delete the Microsoft account I never wanted.

I don't feel threatened by a large corporation, why would I feel threatened? I believe the US style of capitalism is a downright greedy joke - That's what I believe and I'm not far wrong. I am not a commodity, I am not a consumer cash cow.

[EDIT] The option to switch to a local account is still there, once you've jumped through hoops setting up a Microsoft account due to the fact it was forced onto you. Microsoft know the average user isn't going to know to install Windows offline and when installing via Ethernet there is absolutely no option offering an install disconnected from the network.

And I can confirm the use of a PIN is forced onto you.

I'd still like to know what installer you are using, and what makes it different than the installers I have been using. You've alluded to using bootcamp, is that where your experience is? Because I haven't installed Windows on a Macbook with bootcamp, only on "regular" PC's.

 

[Mazzspeed]

I'd still like to know what installer you are using, and what makes it different than the installers I have been using. You've alluded to using bootcamp, is that where your experience is? Because I haven't installed Windows on a Macbook with bootcamp, only on "regular" PC's.

I knew you try this. Lucky for you I took photos of the entire process, step by step to highlight that I'm not 'missing any steps' because this back and forth is becoming blatantly ridiculous.

All performed on real metal, no VM's and all using the latest 1903 media created using Microsoft's own Media Creation Tool. I've used medium thumbnails as not to clog up the forums with huge images, but you get the idea.

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Screen 9 (nice progress indicator, like the way it informs the user of nothing at all):

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Screen 14 (Wow, look at that, connected to the network and no requester asking if I even wanted to connect to the network):

Screen 15 (There seems to be a lot of this under Windows):

Screen 16 (Straight into a 'Sign In with Microsoft' screen):

Screen 17 (Here's the result of clicking 'Create Account'):

Screen 18 (Here's the result of clicking 'Next' in an attempt to bypass creating a Microsoft account):

Screen 19 (Back at the Microsoft Account creation screen):

As you can see, absolutely no requester asking at any stage if I wanted to connect to Ethernet and no option but to create a Microsoft Account. I have more screenshots available if you want to see the screen where I have no option but to create a PIN.

Now, can you stop insinuating I'm somehow making shit up or somehow stupid because Microsoft is your friend and would never do such a thing as force Microsoft accounts onto the user.

 

[Grimlaking]

I knew you try this. Lucky for you I took photos of the entire process, step by step to highlight that I'm not 'missing any steps' because this back and forth is becoming blatantly ridiculous.

All performed on real metal, no VM's and all using the latest 1903 media created using Microsoft's own Media Creation Tool. I've used medium thumbnails as not to clog up the forums with huge images, but you get the idea.
As you can see, absolutely no requester asking at any stage if I wanted to connect to Ethernet and no option but to create a Microsoft Account. I have more screenshots available if you want to see the screen where I have no option but to create a PIN.

Now, can you stop insinuating I'm somehow making shit up or somehow stupid because Microsoft is your friend and would never do such a thing as force Microsoft accounts onto the user.

Well you are absolutely correct if the computer CAN connect to the internet with build 1903 it will not offer a standalone install option.

I guess turn off DHCP on your network to do an install with local account. That is a pain.

 

[ManofGod]

I knew you try this. Lucky for you I took photos of the entire process, step by step to highlight that I'm not 'missing any steps' because this back and forth is becoming blatantly ridiculous.

All performed on real metal, no VM's and all using the latest 1903 media created using Microsoft's own Media Creation Tool. I've used medium thumbnails as not to clog up the forums with huge images, but you get the idea.

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Screen 14 (Wow, look at that, connected to the network and no requester asking if I even wanted to connect to the network):

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Screen 15 (There seems to be a lot of this under Windows):

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Screen 16 (Straight into a 'Sign In with Microsoft' screen):

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Screen 17 (Here's the result of clicking 'Create Account'):

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Screen 18 (Here's the result of clicking 'Next' in an attempt to bypass creating a Microsoft account):

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Screen 19 (Back at the Microsoft Account creation screen):

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As you can see, absolutely no requester asking at any stage if I wanted to connect to Ethernet and no option but to create a Microsoft Account. I have more screenshots available if you want to see the screen where I have no option but to create a PIN.

Now, can you stop insinuating I'm somehow making shit up or somehow stupid because Microsoft is your friend and would never do such a thing as force Microsoft accounts onto the user.

Then you have a problem because I have not ran into that even....one....single....time. Your experience is not the normal experience, for whatever reason. Also, you cannot create a pin number without a password, which would be a Microsoft account setup and password. Oh, and if you cancel the pin creation, it cancels and moves along.

Also, did you delete all your partitions and start from scratch? If you selected the upgrade option, it would have kicked you out to the beginning of the process.

 

[ManofGod]

Well you are absolutely correct if the computer CAN connect to the internet with build 1903 it will not offer a standalone install option.

I guess turn off DHCP on your network to do an install with local account. That is a pain.

All my computers can connect to the internet, including the Gateway computer with the Windows 10 Home upgraded installation. It allowed me to do a clean install and select either a Microsoft account setup or offline account.

 

[Mazzspeed]

All my computers can connect to the internet, including the Gateway computer with the Windows 10 Home upgraded installation. It allowed me to do a clean install and select either a Microsoft account setup or offline account.

Oh my God, is it possible for you to be at all realistic in relation to Microsoft and their intentions?

I've even posted a link, an article outlining the exact same issue and you still want to pretend that somehow this is all my fault and there's no way Microsoft would push a Microsoft account onto it's unsuspecting users 90% of whom have no idea about online and offline installs - A point Microsoft is 100% aware of.

It's people like you that make me not want to use Windows on principal alone.

 

[ManofGod]

Oh my God, is it possible for you to be at all realistic in relation to Microsoft and their intentions?

I've even posted a link, an article outlining the exact same issue and you still want to pretend that somehow this is all my fault and there's no way Microsoft would push a Microsoft account onto it's unsuspecting users 90% of whom have no idea about online and offline installs - A point Microsoft is 100% aware of.

It's people like you that make me not want to use Windows on principal alone.

Yet, I have not experienced that even once. I asked a couple of questions directed at your post and also, are you in Euope? It looks like you have the European date setup.

 

[Mazzspeed]

Yet, I have not experienced that even once. I asked a couple of questions directed at your post and also, are you in Euope? It looks like you have the European date setup.

Just did a VM install using another freshly downloaded ISO of 1903, guess what? No option to use anything but a MS account. Furthermore, no option to avoid creating a PIN. If you select cancel you are informed quite stupidly that your account requires a Windows Hello PIN and the only option is to 'Create PIN'.

Where I'm from isn't important. Of course I deleted all partitions and started from scratch.

Do you want another ~24 screenshots before you jump off that soapbox you're currently standing on?

 

[ManofGod]

Just did a VM install using another freshly downloaded ISO of 1903, guess what? No option to use anything but a MS account. Furthermore, no option to avoid creating a PIN. If you select cancel you are informed quite stupidly that your account requires a Windows Hello PIN and the only option is to 'Create PIN'.

Where I'm from isn't important. Of course I deleted all partitions and started from scratch.

Do you want another ~24 screenshots before you jump off that soapbox you're currently standing on?

Where you are from is important and therefore, are you from Europe?

 

[Mazzspeed]

Where you are from is important and therefore, are you from Europe?

No, It's not important.

Mark Hatchman, who wrote the article linked is in the San Francisco area.

 

[ManofGod]

No, It's not important.

Mark Hatchman, who wrote the article linked is in the San Francisco area.

And here is my install of Windows 10 Home on a Virtual Box machine with Network access, that I did not get to setup for it did not ask me:

Clearly, the Offline Account is there, clear as day. (This is a brand new install created from the Media Creation tool ISO that I created 30 minutes ago.) I created the ISO with all versions, including 32 and 64 bit. I am going to assume you are using the N version, which is Euro specific, right?

 

[Mazzspeed]

And here is my install of Windows 10 Home on a Virtual Box machine with Network access, that I did not get to setup for it did not ask me:

Clearly, the Offline Account is there, clear as day. (This is a brand new install created from the Media Creation tool ISO that I created 30 minutes ago.) I created the ISO with all versions, including 32 and 64 bit. I am going to assume you are using the N version, which is Euro specific, right?

Now go back through my posts, and read really carefully. Focus on the sections regarding a cloud based OOBE and how it works.

 

[ManofGod]

Now go back through my posts, and read really carefully. Focus on the sections regarding a cloud based OOBE and how it works.

I installed things exactly the same way that you did in a virtual machine, exactly the same. I have shown you verifiable proof of what I am saying but hey, do not accept it, no skin off my back. Enjoy yourself and how every you want to do things on computers, later.

 

[Mazzspeed]

I installed things exactly the same way that you did in a virtual machine, exactly the same. I have shown you verifiable proof of what I am saying but hey, do not accept it, no skin off my back. Enjoy yourself and how every you want to do things on computers, later.

I've shown vastly more verifiable proof that you have. I've shown a step by step Windows 10 Home install, I've even linked an article outlining the 'exact' issue - And yet you still need convincing?

Honestly, this is very much like trying to convince a flat earther that the earth is round. No matter what you do, no matter what the evidence, they'll claim it's all 'bullshit' and insist the Earth is flat. You don't think the Earth is flat do you?

 

[Neslepax]

I store massive amounts of data, simulation code, laser and semiconductor designs in OneDrive Academic, along with using Office 365 Academic, which is provided by my university for free. All of that work is funded and is legally owned by either DARPA or the NSF. I would love to see Microsoft get into a pissing match with them over ownership of said materials.

 

[Grimlaking]

I store massive amounts of data, simulation code, laser and semiconductor designs in OneDrive Academic, along with using Office 365 Academic, which is provided by my university for free. All of that work is funded and is legally owned by either DARPA or the NSF. I would love to see Microsoft get into a pissing match with them over ownership of said materials.

Read the actual subsection unless you are making the data public MS does not own it. Nor can they use it. If you make it public they reserve the right to use it for their own marketing purposes as well.

 

[jardows]

I've shown vastly more verifiable proof that you have. I've shown a step by step Windows 10 Home install, I've even linked an article outlining the 'exact' issue - And yet you still need convincing?

Honestly, this is very much like trying to convince a flat earther that the earth is round. No matter what you do, no matter what the evidence, they'll claim it's all 'bullshit' and insist the Earth is flat. You don't think the Earth is flat do you?

Your article doesn't apply to 1903, only 1809. The article itself states that. The article itself states that there are workarounds with 1809, and it is possible to create a local account if you skip the "connect to a network" step. I don't know why you are so insistent in us checking out that article, when it doesn't say what you claim it says.

Here's my screenshot from a recent 1903 install. I've highlighted the part where Offline Account is an option. I keep saying there is something you are doing differently than what I and others are doing. That's what I am trying to get at. A different installer, a different process - something - I just want to know so I can avoid the problem with offline accounts that you are having. You are saying I and others are liars. Let the forum be the judge. I feel you have let your hatred for Microsoft to completely blind you to any possibility other than the one you have experienced.

 

[Mazzspeed]

Your article doesn't apply to 1903, only 1809. The article itself states that. The article itself states that there are workarounds with 1809, and it is possible to create a local account if you skip the "connect to a network" step. I don't know why you are so insistent in us checking out that article, when it doesn't say what you claim it says.

Here's my screenshot from a recent 1903 install. I've highlighted the part where Offline Account is an option. I keep saying there is something you are doing differently than what I and others are doing. That's what I am trying to get at. A different installer, a different process - something - I just want to know so I can avoid the problem with offline accounts that you are having. You are saying I and others are liars. Let the forum be the judge. I feel you have let your hatred for Microsoft to completely blind you to any possibility other than the one you have experienced.

I used a 1903 install, I believe I've actually stated that numerous times. Do you do anything but simply look at the pictures? It doesn't matter what version of install media you are using, the OOBE is CLOUD BASED, I will repeat...CLOUD BASED in the case of an online install and there's at times more than one. However, in this instance I am getting the exact same OOBE every single time and it does not allow for an offline install in any way whatsoever and does not ask the user if they wish to connect to the internet in the case of an Ethernet connection.

There exists, the distinct possibility, that you took that screen shot on a machine not connected to the internet for all I know. If you're going to insinuate that I'm somehow lying, perhaps I'll do the same in relation to yourself? Understand that 90% of users are going to perform an online install, furthermore Microsoft know this.

 

[ManofGod]

I used a 1903 install, I believe I've actually stated that numerous times. Do you do anything but simply look at the pictures? It doesn't matter what version of install media you are using, the OOBE is CLOUD BASED, I will repeat...CLOUD BASED in the case of an online install and there's at times more than one. However, in this instance I am getting the exact same OOBE every single time and it does not allow for an offline install in any way whatsoever and does not ask the user if they wish to connect to the internet in the case of an Ethernet connection.

There exists, the distinct possibility, that you took that screen shot on a machine not connected to the internet for all I know. If you're going to insinuate that I'm somehow lying, perhaps I'll do the same in relation to yourself? Understand that 90% of users are going to perform an online install, furthermore Microsoft know this.

You are the only one so far that I have seen run into this issue, no one else on here has, not even once. Recreate you usb media installer with a newly downloaded Windows 10 Media Creation tool. The problem is distinctly on your end.

 

[1_rick]

Eventually the default OOBE will be updated to force a Microsoft account, as the default OOBE that part of the ISO is always updated to adopt new features in the cases of an offline install.

I will admit I haven't read past this post yet but I can't wait to hear how you think Microsoft is going to force you to create a Microsoft account when you're not connected to the internet. Do you think there's going to be a screen that says "sorry, you can't have access to your computer until you go online"?

Edit: Please don't strawman me with "Microsoft knows 90% of people are going to do online installs" and answer the question I actually asked.

 

[Mazzspeed]

You are the only one so far that I have seen run into this issue, no one else on here has, not even once. Recreate you usb media installer with a newly downloaded Windows 10 Media Creation tool. The problem is distinctly on your end.

No I'm not, I produced an article showing the exact same OOBE. Once again, do you believe the Earth is flat? Once again, as far as I know your screenshot shows an offline install.

It seems that any criticism of Windows 10, no matter what the evidence, must be dismissed as somehow being user error even though there is a linked article proving the exact issue simply because you're besotted with Microsoft. When the OOBE is cloud based it doesn't matter what bloody Windows build you're installing as the OOBE is...Cloud based. This is hilarious, what do you think I did? Do you think I photoshopped all those images?

Lets go right back to the beginning of me highlighting this issue where you didn't even know what the OOBE was let alone the fact it was cloud based shall we?

 

[Mazzspeed]

Edit: Please don't strawman me with "Microsoft knows 90% of people are going to do online installs" and answer the question I actually asked.

As someone that performs numerous Windows installs, unlike some here I know there's been a number of cloud based OOBE's over the years, many of which start out running along side older OOBE's and it's literally luck of the draw which one you end up with (I can install Windows 10 Home right now, 1903, and get the exact same OOBE not allowing a local account. I get it every, single, time). In every instance the cloud based OOBE has ended up being the offline OOBE built into the installer.

And yes, quite obviously, 90% of Windows users unskilled in the use of a computer are going to perform an online install - You know why?

Because when you do an offline install the installer does everything it can to convince the user to 'go online to save time'. Don't use disclaimers to try and discredit perfectly logical and reasonable points of argument - Microsoft know that 90% of users are going to be fooled into performing an online install, especially on OEM machines that start the install at the OOBE. There's nothing 'strawman' about the argument.

 

[Mazzspeed]

Would we like another 24 screenshots of a VM install highlighting the use of a 1903 ISO if you're both going to persist in this pathetic crusade to label me a liar?

 

[jardows]

Would we like another 24 screenshots of a VM install highlighting the use of a 1903 ISO if you're both going to persist in this pathetic crusade to label me a liar?

No one is calling you a liar. You are doing something different, using a different installer, or something else I cannot figure out what, than the rest of us. You have not yet explained what source you are using for installing Windows. I want to know.

And I know you like continually referring back to the article you linked - please keep doing that, because it doesn't say what you think it says, and they even say it doesn't apply to 1903, so the more people who actually read the article will understand that your assertion is not correct. You are doing something different than what the rest of us are doing while installing Windows, and I want to know what it is. I am done here until you do that.

 

[1_rick]

There's nothing 'strawman' about the argument.

Do you not know what the phrase "strawman argument" means? Someone says something, and you argue against something different from what he actually said. I notice you didn't address my question, "how do you think Microsoft will force people to use a Microsoft account when they aren't online," which, honestly, I kind of expected, because it completely destroys your point.

I am done here until you do that.

I think he is, too. He carefully ignores anything anyone says that doesn't agree with his story.

 

[ManofGod]

Do you not know what the phrase "strawman argument" means? Someone says something, and you argue against something different from what he actually said. I notice you didn't address my question, "how do you think Microsoft will force people to use a Microsoft account when they aren't online," which, honestly, I kind of expected, because it completely destroys your point.



I think he is, too. He carefully ignores anything anyone says that doesn't agree with his story.

Except me, because, apparently, I am going to throw myself off the edge of the flat earth. (Of course, if I throw myself off the edge, where would i fall too, since space only has micro gravity? LOL!)

 

[1_rick]

Except me, because, apparently, I am going to throw myself off the edge of the flat earth. (Of course, if I throw myself off the edge, where would i fall too, since space only has micro gravity? LOL!)

Qapla'!

 

[Mazzspeed]

No one is calling you a liar. You are doing something different, using a different installer, or something else I cannot figure out what, than the rest of us. You have not yet explained what source you are using for installing Windows. I want to know.

And I know you like continually referring back to the article you linked - please keep doing that, because it doesn't say what you think it says, and they even say it doesn't apply to 1903, so the more people who actually read the article will understand that your assertion is not correct. You are doing something different than what the rest of us are doing while installing Windows, and I want to know what it is. I am done here until you do that.

I can't use a different installer as the OOBE is cloud based. Furthermore, I am not doing anything different - I can't do anything different. You are showing screenshots resulting from an offline install as far as I can tell and until proven otherwise. Even if you do manage to prove otherwise, it really highlights nothing as there is usually more than one OOBE as stated many times earlier! However I can get the exact same OOBE every time. Just like the linked article highlights.

Here's a screenshot showing the ISO version used as well as the account creation screen with no option to create a local account. This blind defense of Microsoft and unjustified user blame is downright pathetic. The ISO version is totally irrelevant as the OOBE is CLOUD BASED.

The biggest problem here is one of comprehension. I've shown step by step screenshots of a Windows install and I've just proven that 1903 was used as the install media. I've also provided an independant article highlighting the very point I'm making. In comparison, you've proven nothing.

 

[Mazzspeed]

Do you not know what the phrase "strawman argument" means? Someone says something, and you argue against something different from what he actually said. I notice you didn't address my question, "how do you think Microsoft will force people to use a Microsoft account when they aren't online," which, honestly, I kind of expected, because it completely destroys your point.

Easy, like Apple and Google they'll only offer an online install in relation to consumer Windows variants - We aren't in the dark dial up ages anymore and that desktop OS you're besotted with is becoming more of a touch OS with every update. As stated, the point you incorrectly labeled as a strawman argument, 90% of inept Windows users are going to do an online install and Microsoft know this.

Except me, because, apparently, I am going to throw myself off the edge of the flat earth. (Of course, if I throw myself off the edge, where would i fall too, since space only has micro gravity? LOL!)

That and the fact you're so besotted with Microsoft that you believe any negative Microsoft posts are automatically incorrect or mistaken as they aren't in blind defense of your beloved Microsoft.

 

[1_rick]

I can't use a different installer as the OOBE is cloud based.



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If only Microsoft hadn't sold you a computer that was glued to the internet!

 

[1_rick]

Easy, like Apple and Google they'll only offer an online install -

Lol sure.

you're so besotted with Microsoft

Come in, admit it, Captain Ad Hominem, it's killing you not spelling it Micro$oft.

 

[Lakados]

I still can’t figure this out or duplicate it. I just reimagine 18 old AIO’s with win10 Home 1903 for donation to the public local accounts were created on all of them. During the install process I chose Canada as that is where I am, and I did a Custom install not an upgrade. So unless this is some Europe specific thing or this installer was created from something other than the Microsoft Media Creation Tool I am out of ideas.

 

[Lakados]

I can't use a different installer as the OOBE is cloud based. Furthermore, I am not doing anything different - I can't do anything different. You are showing screenshots resulting from an offline install as far as I can tell and until proven otherwise. Even if you do manage to prove otherwise, it really highlights nothing as there is usually more than one OOBE as stated many times earlier! However I can get the exact same OOBE every time. Just like the linked article highlights.

Here's a screenshot showing the ISO version used as well as the account creation screen with no option to create a local account. This blind defense of Microsoft and unjustified user blame is downright pathetic. The ISO version is totally irrelevant as the OOBE is CLOUD BASED.

The biggest problem here is one of comprehension. I've shown step by step screenshots of a Windows install and I've just proven that 1903 was used as the install media. I've also provided an independant article highlighting the very point I'm making. In comparison, you've proven nothing.


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At 4.8 GB that is not cloud based that is a full offline install. Where did you get that ISO?

 

[Mazzspeed]

If only Microsoft hadn't sold you a computer that was glued to the internet!

When you grow up and can present a logical, intelligent argument, feel free to reply. In the mean time, enjoy your 'Strawman' big word for the day.

I still can’t figure this out or duplicate it. I just reimagine 18 old AIO’s with win10 Home 1903 for donation to the public local accounts were created on all of them. During the install process I chose Canada as that is where I am, and I did a Custom install not an upgrade. So unless this is some Europe specific thing or this installer was created from something other than the Microsoft Media Creation Tool I am out of ideas.

Of course you're out of ideas, that's because you're ignoring one very specific and important point - The OOBE, which is the portion of the installer containing the account creation screen, is CLOUD BASED and as stated there is usually more than one during an OOBE transition. You can use identical install media and get a completely different OOBE every time.

However, in this case, I am getting the same OOBE every time with no option for a local account at all.

Would you like me to install using a VPN?

At 4.8 GB that is not cloud based that is a full offline install. Where did you get that ISO?

Geezus!

The entire installer is not cloud based, only the OOBE portion of the installer is cloud based.

 

[1_rick]

like Apple and Google they'll only offer an online install in relation to consumer Windows variants

You go ask a SOC-1 or PCI auditing organization how well "letting some 3rd party control your computer security" will go over--I'd be interested in finding out. Sure, corporations are going to LOVE giving up their domain controllers to Microsoft.

 

[1_rick]

When you grow up and can present a logical, intelligent argument, feel free to reply.

Ahh, projection. The incessant attacking of everyone who's not following your fever dream is pretty telling.

Microsoft's not going to tell people they can't use their new computer without creating a Microsoft account and leaving no alternatives, and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

You're also fundamentally dishonest, as has been pointed out repeatedly, since you know perfectly well what you describe won't happen if you do an offline install, even though you pretend you never read it any of the 80 times it's been mentioned.

 

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Would you like me to install using a VPN?

No, we'd like you to do a fully offline install. The fact that you refuse to do so strongly suggests you know it'll wipe out your claim.