Anyone having constant game crashes with Ryzen 2

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I am getting kicked out of a lot of games. Drop to desktop, lockups etc... and I think the culprit is this new architecture. I have ZERO problems when using my 5700xt. But when using my 2080ti its crashing.

nVidia drivers? I have no idea what is going on here. Looking to see if there is a pattern.

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I think that it is in fact nvidia drivers?!

Maybe we need a new set of drivers for these new CPUs?

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mda said:
Probably related? I don't have issues on my 3700X yet.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/amd-ryzen-3000-bsod-whea-error
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Yes my system logs (windows event viewer) also shows WHEA problems and I did have a blue screen a day or so ago and thought maybe I was too aggressive on my RAM OC.

I also forced my motherboard to PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0 (Gigabyte Aorus Master x570) to no avail.

I am going to use my 5700xt for now until nVidia drops the fix.
 
How long are you playing before the crash? As far as demanding games go, I've only played one full round of BF:V with no issues on a 3900X and 1080Ti running nVidia's latest drivers.

Played a few matches of good old COD4 at a silky smooth 700 fps with no crashes. Currently in the process of encoding a 3+ hour video with some color grading, 100% CPU load 40-50% GPU load and so far so good.
 
Anyone who changes their mainboard and doesn't do a full reinstall of Windows does not deserve to hold a screwdriver ever again.


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KazeoHin said:
Anyone who changes their mainboard and doesn't do a full reinstall of Windows does not deserve to hold a screwdriver ever again.


-A professional technician
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Huh? ... who are you even referring too?

Or are you just making stupid accusations?
 
Reinstalled my 5700xt and ZERO problems. Thus I must have the nvidia issue that we have been talking about. BFV and The Division 2 are the worst culprits with nvidia.
 
KazeoHin said:
Anyone who changes their mainboard and doesn't do a full reinstall of Windows does not deserve to hold a screwdriver ever again.


-A professional technician
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Anyone who thinks that changing a component requires a full Windows reinstall does not deserve to give advice on changing components and Windows interaction.

- everyone with bare minimum understanding of Windows and hardware
 
tangoseal said:
Reinstalled my 5700xt and ZERO problems. Thus I must have the nvidia issue that we have been talking about. BFV and The Division 2 are the worst culprits with nvidia.
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I wonder what combination of hardware you'd need to have to get those?

My 3700X+X470+1070TI doesn't encounter any issues in Division 2. Granted, I've only gotten to game a full <5 hours since I bought the CPU.
 
Meeho said:
Anyone who thinks that changing a component requires a full Windows reinstall does not deserve to give advice on changing components and Windows interaction.

- everyone with bare minimum understanding of Windows and hardware
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Funny thing is that this is on a brand new fresh copy of windows 10. So that dudes assumption was laughable.
my problem with my 5700xt now, which I will ask in another subforum, is this damn flickering. I cant modify the low power state in wattman so I cant keep the gpu from droppingto 6mhz and then up to whatever and back down to 6mhz etc.... it causes a screen flicker in windows desktop that is annoying as piss.
 
tangoseal said:
Huh? ... who are you even referring too?

Or are you just making stupid accusations?
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Stupid accusations, mostly. I'm betting the mainboard was replaced, and I'm betting that windows was not reinstalled. I'm also betting that the issue will go away once windows has been reinstalled. Reinstalled, not refreshed, recovered from image, etc, but reinstalled from formatted drive

Meeho said:
Anyone who thinks that changing a component requires a full Windows reinstall does not deserve to give advice on changing components and Windows interaction.

- everyone with bare minimum understanding of Windows and hardware
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A mainboard is more than a single component. It has tons upon tons of small device configurations and driver requirements that many times are ONLY detected and configured on install. When Windows thinks these is a problem, it falls back to running software emulation if the device. This reduces performance and causes instability.
 
KazeoHin said:
Stupid accusations, mostly. I'm betting the mainboard was replaced, and I'm betting that windows was not reinstalled. I'm also betting that the issue will go away once windows has been reinstalled. Reinstalled, not refreshed, recovered from image, etc, but reinstalled from formatted drive



A mainboard is more than a single component. It has tons upon tons of small device configurations and driver requirements that many times are ONLY detected and configured on install. When Windows thinks these is a problem, it falls back to running software emulation if the device. This reduces performance and causes instability.
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You don’t win many bets do you?
 
KazeoHin said:
A mainboard is more than a single component. It has tons upon tons of small device configurations and driver requirements that many times are ONLY detected and configured on install.
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False. And motherboards barely have any (non-OS) drivers. Other than USB and maybe some storage controllers, there is hardly anything that has a driver other than what OS uses by default and detects on each startup easily. "Intel chipset drivers", for instance, don't contain any driver at all. Swapping even a MBO+CPU combo Intel<->AMD is no different than swapping a GPU. The only thing to look out for is to uninstall all the vendor's extra drivers/utilities before the swap as they can cause issues sometimes.
 
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KazeoHin said:
Stupid accusations, mostly. I'm betting the mainboard was replaced, and I'm betting that windows was not reinstalled. I'm also betting that the issue will go away once windows has been reinstalled. Reinstalled, not refreshed, recovered from image, etc, but reinstalled from formatted drive



A mainboard is more than a single component. It has tons upon tons of small device configurations and driver requirements that many times are ONLY detected and configured on install. When Windows thinks these is a problem, it falls back to running software emulation if the device. This reduces performance and causes instability.
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It's a brand new installation of windows from scratch. These are called early adopter problems and there is no reason for you to come thumbing your mighty skill set at me/us in a conceded and "better than thou" way.

Were trying to hash out what the causes of these issues are on brand new just released hardware and trying to pin down If there are patterns that can be linked.
 
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It seems to be a issue in some instances with Nvidia drivers and thus why your having it with the 2080Ti and not the 5700XT.
 
777 said:
Get a new training manual because that hasn't been necessary for a long time.
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Agreed. My main system moved from an Intel 4690k to a Ryzen 2700x flawlessly. Windows did its thing on the first bootup figuring things out which took slightly longer then its been smooth sailing since, not a single hiccup.
 
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KazeoHin said:
Anyone who changes their mainboard and doesn't do a full reinstall of Windows does not deserve to hold a screwdriver ever again.


-A professional technician
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Some people like to watch the world burn.
 
I had this with my x370 taichi and my 3800x. Ended up changing my board to a "cheap" msi board and it doesn't crash anymore. I also broke my cpu clamp though so that was mostly why I did it. The board was stable with my old 1700x with the bad clamp but I decided to change it because the taichi bios has been querky since I bought it. I'm also on a 2080 ti.
 
No crashes here. The beta bios on MSI sucks, but at least things are stable.
 
Swapped from a Xeon 2176G on a Gigabyte C246 motherboard to a 3600X on ASRock x570 Steel Legend using a Radeon VII on Windows 10 1903 without a reinstall, have had 0 issues with programs/games acting funny or crashing. Though ASRock needs to drop a new BIOS, 1.50 has an issue where it takes pressing the power button 5-10 times for it to actually power on.
 
KazeoHin said:
Anyone who changes their mainboard and doesn't do a full reinstall of Windows does not deserve to hold a screwdriver ever again.


-A professional technician
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Funny, I've swapped motherboards between Intel and AMD without reinstalling and I seldom experience any problems. But that's me. YMMV.
 
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Swapping motherboards without reinstalls was really only ever an issue in the XP through 7 days; later in 7 it wasn't all that bad, sometimes you'd have to run the Hirens boot cd chipset fix to install a generic chipset/sata controller, but 8 and 10 I've never run into an issue, even with massive changes in hardware.
 
JCNiest5 said:
Funny, I've swapped motherboards between Intel and AMD without reinstalling and I seldom experience any problems. But that's me. YMMV.
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As a young person in IT it's funny how IT people hold on to things that they've learned 10+ years ago and still hold to it as fact without realizing technology is constantly evolving. Yes, somethings don't change I get it. I guess that's why my previous boss was so sad that I found a much higher paying job in IT (Boss didn't want to lose me because my ability to do a good job, get stuff done, and learn new stuff really fast was mind boggling to him, but couldn't afford to match the offer from my new IT job, but now he has to hire 2 people to replace me)

Now, when you're having issues......... thats a different story. If its faster to just reinstall Windows and install your programs then do that, don't spend 2 days troublshooting a borked upgrade or installation.

In my experience I encountered very few issues switching hardware with the same Windows install.
Went from X58 platform to a 8350/970fx platform with the same install of Windows 10 no problem.
I've had more problems upgrading from 7 to 10 on the same hardware than switching hardware with Win 10.
 
I swear thats the same CTD error I have due to nVidia, not CPU. It was happening constantly. I could game for 15m before everything went poof. Went back a few drivers on the 1060 and its been fine. Now and then I get one.
 
JCNiest5 said:
Funny, I've swapped motherboards between Intel and AMD without reinstalling and I seldom experience any problems. But that's me. YMMV.
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Which I did this time. But I held off on 1903 until after the swap. So it's basically a new install.

What a lot of people don't realize is that the Windows 10 major updates are just what the old "upgrade" feature used to be. So you'll see the same people who warned never to upgrade your OS ("do fresh install!") now being fine with the updates but saying not to swap hardware...
 
Rockenrooster said:
Even with Windows 7 you could do sysprep generalize....
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Yes sir. I went from a bargain bin Haswell H81 board to a Skylake Z170 board on Windows 8 with a sysprep generalize without any problems. I expect to do the same thing for the next upgrade.

If this were Windows 2000 or XP my tune would be different but things have advanced since those dark days.
 
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