PSA: No Ryzen 3000 Pre-orders Today (1st July)

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According to the yahoos at TPU, no Ryzen 3xxx pre-orders today. Everyone can stop killing their F5 key now. :p

https://www.techpowerup.com/256967/psa-no-ryzen-3000-pre-orders-today-1st-july-spare-your-f5-key

AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen desktop processors were rumored to open to pre-orders today, so you could have your swanky new CPU upgrade in place by 7/7. It turns out, that's not the case. AMD in a statement to TechPowerUp, confirmed that there won't be any pre-orders opened by retailers today (1st July), and there is no information of any such pre-orders date. Customers will likely have to wait until the 7th to pick their PIB form their friendly neighbourhood PC hardware store, or order one online. The statement from AMD in German language translates as follows:

"We haven't announced any pre-order plans - global launch is on 7/7."

AMD is launching five new processor SKUs this July, including the 12-core/24-thread Ryzen 9 3900X, the 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 3800X and 3700X, and the 6-core/12-thread Ryzen 5 3600X and 3600. Prices over previous-generation products remain flat wherever applicable. The 3700X is being launched at the same $329.99 MSRP as the 2700X, the 3600X at a slightly higher $249.99 compared to the $239.99 the 2600X launched at; and the 3600 aims to be the sub-$200 king at the same $199.99 price as the 2600. The 3800X is being launched as a premium 8-core option at $399.99, and the 3900X can be yours for $499.99. We expect most online retailers to mark these prices up by 5-10 percent as they normally do.
 
Why would there be preorders today? Was that a rumor I missed?

I feel like the same thing applies to hardware as it does games. Wait for the final reviews.
It was a rumor since at least the presentation at ces. Or whatever tradeshow that was. Damn I'm slipping.

But yeah was a rumor that 7.1 was pre-order.
 
i also thought i remember reading something about dr. su and preorders and july 1. zen 2 rumor mill is gigantic

no preorders feels like a p. respectable move tbh... let the product speak for itself on launch day.
 
I hope that does not translate to "paper launch"

i saw somewhere on [H] a premature distributor/e-tailer listing that said something about stock coming to them this week, so... fingers crossed?
 
If I end up buying a Zen2 cpu the one I want is not going to be out till September. Although I still really want a 7nm TR4 CPU for my windows workstation. I already have a 2700 for the linux server / pvr.
 
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If I end up buying a Zen2 cpu the one I wan't is not going to be out till September. Although I still really want a 7nm TR4 CPU for my windows workstation. I already have a 2700 for the linux server / pvr.


I used to feel this way. I really wanted the PCIe lanes from TR. Based on AMD's Robert Hallock's comments in this video there will definitely be another Threadripper, but he said that since they went up in core count so much with AM4, TR4 is also going to have to up the ante or it doesn't make sense. I'm guessing this means 64 cores or some crazy shit like that?

I was only into Threadripper for the PCIe lanes. I don't need crazy core counts. If I had to choose I'd choose fewer higher clocked cores, over more lower clocked ones.

Between this and the fact that the x570 chipset makes it possible for motherboards to run an 8x PCIe slots from the chipset, in thinking that x570 (just barely) makes my expansion needs work, and offers me cheaper CPU's likely with higher clocks than TR.

Because of this I'm probably going to go with an AM4 build, but I'm likely waiting for the 3950x in September, not because of the 16 cores, but because of the better binning and higher guaranteed (stock turbo) clocks.
 
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16 cores is more than enough for my uses, but the 4 ram slots don't cut it. Hopefully there will be a chip identical or slightly higher clocked than the 3950x on TR.
 
I used to feel this way. I really wanted the PCIe lanes from TR. Based on AMD's Robert Hallock's comments in this video there will definitely be another Threadripper, but he said that since they went up in core count so much with AM4, TR4 is also going to have to up the ante or it doesn't make sense. I'm guessing this means 64 cores or some crazy shit like that?

I was only into Threadripper for the PCIe lanes. I don't need crazy core counts. If I had to choose I'd choose fewer higher clocked cores, over more lower clocked ones.

Between this and the fact that the x570 chipset makes it possible for motherboards to run an 8x PCIe slots from the chipset, in thinking that x570 (just barely) makes my expansion needs work, and offers me cheaper CPU's likely with higher clocks than TR.

Because of this I'm probably going to go with an AM4 build, but I'm likely waiting for the 3950x in September, not because of the 16 cores, but because of the better binning and higher guaranteed (stock turbo) clocks.
Just 2 models of 24C and 32C for TR4 would be enough for this platform and whoever need more should go for an EPYC server imho.
 
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16 cores is more than enough for my uses, but the 4 ram slots don't cut it. Hopefully there will be a chip identical or slightly higher clocked than the 3950x on TR.

I'm curious about this. What about 4x slots doesnt work for you?

Do you need the quad channel performance? Or is the 64GB max not enough RAM for you?

What is the application?

On a side note though, which is bothersome, Tom's is quoting ASRock recommendations as anything 3200 or higher being achieved only using two slots, and the max dropping with more slots populated.

Bummer if true.

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I was planning on going 4x16GB at 3733.
 
Just 2 models of 24C and 32C for TR4 would be enough for this platform and whoever need more should go for an EPYC server imho.

I think a 7nm TR4 could start at 16C and go all the way up to the rumored 64C.
 
I'm curious about this. What about 4x slots doesnt work for you?

Do you need the quad channel performance? Or is the 64GB max not enough RAM for you?

What is the application?

I was planning on going 4x16GB at 3733.

On 64gb of ddr3 right now, x79 platform with an oc'd 12 core xeon. 4k video editing chews through 32gb real quick, isn't uncommon for it to sit around 40gb, and that's just the editing program.... wouldn't be an upgrade for my use without at least 64gb ram, and if I'm building a new system its going to have more ram than my old one.
 
This. I really want to see what they offer.

I do wish they would hurry up and get these out for purchase.

Yeah, I am going to wait for reviews just out of principle.

That said, even at 4.8Ghz, my old hexacore Sandy-E i7-3930k I bought in 2011 is quite a bit slower per core than existing Zen+ Ryzens, so either way it will almost certainly be a significant upgrade for me.

Will it hang with Intel's greatest core for core in lightly threaded (gaming) loads? Maybe, but probably not, but it will be so close that it will be utterly insignificant. And it will destroy intel in HEDT loads. That's pretty much guaranteed.

Still, I'll wait for the reviews. I mean, they'll be out in 6 days anyway.
 
I think this is the "make sure we don't get too many support calls" list. Overclocking can do wonders to break QVLs


This. Give it til release and the next AGEA wave and just like with Ryzen/+, if there are memory issues I'm sure they will be gone on a hurry. AMD knows thry need to make a big splash, and those springing for the 12/16 core parts are going to want the max speed/capacity memory wise.
 
I'm curious about this. What about 4x slots doesnt work for you?

Do you need the quad channel performance? Or is the 64GB max not enough RAM for you?

What is the application?

On a side note though, which is bothersome, Tom's is quoting ASRock recommendations as anything 3200 or higher being achieved only using two slots, and the max dropping with more slots populated.

Bummer if true.

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I was planning on going 4x16GB at 3733.

this is a limitation of using daisy chain configurations. i believe there is at least one board that buildzoid reviewed that might still be T topology, i just can't remember which one it was. but that being said you could still get 3466 on x470 using 4x8/4x16 with the right cpu and right memory modules even though it was only rated for 2667 on daisy chain configured boards(asus was the only ones still using T topology on x370/x470) if i remember correctly per amd and the board manufactures so you may still be able to get 3600 or 3733, it just may not be easy to do.

for the average consumer daisy chain is the best setup for performance since most people primarily run 2x8GB so daisy chain will easily allow 3600mhz+ where as T topology shows it's advantage when running 4x8/4x16.
 
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this is a limitation of using daisy chain configurations. i believe there is at least one board that buildzoid reviewed that might still be T topology, i just can't remember which one it was. but that being said you could still get 3466 on x470 using 4x8/4x16 with the right cpu and right memory modules even though it was only rated for 2667 on daisy chain configured boards(asus was the only ones still using T topology on x370/x470) if i remember correctly per amd and the board manufactures so you may still be able to get 3600 or 3733, it just may not be easy to do.

for the average consumer daisy chain is the best setup for performance since most people primarily run 2x8GB so daisy chain will easily allow 3600mhz+ where as T topology shows it's advantage when running 4x8/4x16.

I will have to double check when I get home but I want to say it was the Asrock Taichi
 
Crosshair 7s don't use the T Topology anymore AFAIK, so the number of actual X470 boards using that is probably quite low
 
Crosshair 7s don't use the T Topology anymore AFAIK, so the number of actual X470 boards using that is probably quite low
With 12-16 cores on mainstream desktop platform i think there will be enough reason for manufacturers to do this and charge a slight premium.
 
Thank god I plan to wait for reviews!

No kidding!

I'm running a 1600x right now and I'm almost certainly going to get a 3000 series, but I'm going to wait for a few reviews before I decide which one. I can't see more than 8 cores being useful enough to what I do at home to justify the extra expense, and I want to see if there will be any enhancements to PBO/PB/XFR (I may have missed it but I haven't seen any mention so far.) At this point in time, having gotten an RTX 2070 a few months ago, the only reason for me to go X570 would be something like PB enhancements.
 
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Not so patiently waiting for a 3700/3800 (or even a 3900x depending on my mood!)...

On a side rant, I love custom water but I am beginning to see why so many of you settle for using AIOs. I moved to water because I have some crazy issues with certain sounds (thanks to 14yrs of barely controlled migraine).

I probably shouldn't have picked it his stupid 75lb case up and dusted it before tearing it apart 2 weeks after back surgery but what other way is there then the [H] way?


In case abyone is wondering, that is indeed my 3rd VII...I purchased 2, sold 1, and then purchased another. I think AMD is going to stop selling them once Navi is flooding the channel and these cards will be like the OG TITAN where they are worth more used then new thanks to the compute and memory capacity. History will tell if I am correct or not.

So tempted to throw this one under water and see if it clocks better then my current one. I don't even know what kinda ram it has yet!
 
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Not so patiently waiting for a 3700/3800 (or even a 3900x depending on my mood!)...

On a side rant, I love custom water but I am beginning to see why so many of you settle for using AIOs. I moved to water because I have some crazy issues with certain sounds (thanks to 14yrs of barely controlled migraine).

I probably shouldn't have picked it his stupid 75lb case up and dusted it before tearing it apart 2 weeks after back surgery but what other way is there then the [H] way?


In case abyone is wondering, that is indeed my 3rd VII...I purchased 2, sold 1, and then purchased another. I think AMD is going to stop selling them once Navi is flooding the channel and these cards will be like the OG TITAN where they are worth more used then new thanks to the compute and memory capacity. History will tell if I am correct or not.

So tempted to throw this one under water and see if it clocks better then my current one. I don't even know what kinda ram it has yet!

I want to go back to a custom loop after using an AIO for a while. AIOs have some advantages over a custom loop, but I vastly prefer being able to decide for myself what to put in the loop and not having to replace the entire set up if just the pump dies or something. Plus, trying to run an internal USB2 cable from the CPU socket down the bottom of a motherboard in a way that doesn't look ugly as hell is a pain in the ass.
 
I want to go back to a custom loop after using an AIO for a while. AIOs have some advantages over a custom loop, but I vastly prefer being able to decide for myself what to put in the loop and not having to replace the entire set up if just the pump dies or something. Plus, trying to run an internal USB2 cable from the CPU socket down the bottom of a motherboard in a way that doesn't look ugly as hell is a pain in the ass.

What advantages do you see AIO's having?(other than convenience)
 
95% of the cooling performance for 25% of the price.


That's a bit of a stretch.... Ignoring the insane used deals you can get, the custom option is always going to perform better. A current gen 360mm AIO with all the stupid RGBOMGBBQSAUCE costs $150ish. You can build a nice entry loop for that.


I have about $400 in ym loop, but I use high end compression fittings and large rads with a low fpi designed for quiet performance. I've had the 360mm rad since x58, along with a smaller rad (that Insold.off for what I paid for it 3 yrs later) and the pump and fittings.

Now my pump gavr up the ghost after 6 years of running full speed 24/7, but was replaced with a brand new updated PWM model at no cost.

So when you consider the lifespan, the cost isn't that big a deal. I snagged $220 worth of fans and a 420mm rad that lookedbrand new here for $90 shipped. So if you are smart you can find deals all the time.
 
That's a bit of a stretch.... Ignoring the insane used deals you can get, the custom option is always going to perform better. A current gen 360mm AIO with all the stupid RGBOMGBBQSAUCE costs $150ish. You can build a nice entry loop for that.


I have about $400 in ym loop, but I use high end compression fittings and large rads with a low fpi designed for quiet performance. I've had the 360mm rad since x58, along with a smaller rad (that Insold.off for what I paid for it 3 yrs later) and the pump and fittings.

Now my pump gavr up the ghost after 6 years of running full speed 24/7, but was replaced with a brand new updated PWM model at no cost.

So when you consider the lifespan, the cost isn't that big a deal. I snagged $220 worth of fans and a 420mm rad that lookedbrand new here for $90 shipped. So if you are smart you can find deals all the time.

I feel like costs easily sneak up if you consider all the little parts that go into it.

In a recent thread I illustrated the complete new cost of my current loop as follows:

I find that there are hidden costs in building custom water loops that add more to the cost than one expects during the build process. Fittings and bends add a surprising amount to the bill.

The parts in my system, with a single loop and fan control add up as follows:

  • Top Radiator: Alphacool XT45 420mm $117
  • Front Radiator: Alphacool Monsta 280 $127
  • GPU Block: EK Pascal Titan full cover block $135
  • GPU Backplate: EK Pascal Titan $35
  • CPU Block: EK Supremacy EVO Elite LGA2011 $126
  • Reservoir/Pump Combo: XSPC D5 Photon 270 Reservoir / Pump Combo $165
  • Fittings: 12x XSPC G1/4" to 3/8" ID, 1/2" OD Compression Fitting Black Chrome V2 $66
  • Tubing: PrimoFlex Advanced LRT 3/8in. x 1/2in. Tubing (10ft pack) - Onyx Black $26
  • Sealing Plugs: 2x Enzotech Sealing Plug for 3/8" ID Tubing, Black (for filling on top and draining on bottom) $18
  • Bends: Bitspower 2x 90 degree, 6x 45 degree ~$90
  • Fan/Pump Controller: Aquacomputer 6 XT $199
  • Temperature Probes: 4x Aquacomputer Calitemp Aquabus based Inline Probes $112
  • Flow Meter: Aquacomputer $58
  • Flow meter cable: Aquacomputer $8
  • Coolant: 4x EK Cryofuel Concentrate $60

Now, I realize full well some of these parts are not strictly necessary, and some of them could have been done more cheaply, but this build totals $1342 in parts (each rounded to closest whole dollar, excluding shipping)

Add the fact that I swapped out the pump for a better/quieter one (EK D5 PWM G2), and then we can add another $90 to that.

Could I have done it for less? Certainly, but I am a little bit of a perfectionist and particular about my design.

My point - however - is that I fully buy the cost argument.

What I don't buy is the performance argument. Sure, you can get the CPU down to similar temperatures, but with loud fans going crazy trying to cool it adequately, instead of a calmer experience with more radiator capacity.

That, and you don't come anywhere near the GPU cooling performance even with one of those AIO equipped GPU's.

I can run my Pascal Titan fully overclocked at full load and have it sit nicely at 24C on a cool day. I usually don't do this, because it is loud, so I let the loop temp rise to ~35C, which generally gives me sub 40C GPU temps with a very reasonable fan volume.
 
I feel like costs easily sneak up if you consider all the little parts that go into it.

In a recent thread I illustrated the complete new cost of my current loop as follows:



Could I have done it for less? Certainly, but I am a little bit of a perfectionist and particular about my design.

My point - however - is that I fully buy the cost argument.

What I don't buy is the performance argument. Sure, you can get the CPU down to similar temperatures, but with loud fans going crazy trying to cool it adequately, instead of a calmer experience with more radiator capacity.

That, and you don't come anywhere near the GPU cooling performance even with one of those AIO equipped GPU's.

I can run my Pascal Titan fully overclocked at full load and have it sit nicely at 24C on a cool day. I usually don't do this, because it is loud, so I let the loop temp rise to ~35C, which generally gives me sub 40C GPU temps with a very reasonable fan volume.

I’m thinking of giving Corsair’s stuff a shot when I do my next loop. They’re a bit pricey but I really like the companies they partnered with and the overall look of their blocks.
 
I’m thinking of giving Corsair’s stuff a shot when I do my next loop. They’re a bit pricey but I really like the companies they partnered with and the overall look of their blocks.

I didn't realize Corsair had entered the custom loop market.

I'll have to Google that.

I have EK blocks now. The GPU block is brilliant. The CPU block is OK. I'm thinking of picking up a Heatkiller IV for my Ryzen build.
 
I didn't realize Corsair had entered the custom loop market.

I'll have to Google that.

I have EK blocks now. The GPU block is brilliant. The CPU block is OK. I'm thinking of picking up a Heatkiller IV for my Ryzen build.

yeah they pretty much partnered with all the trusted name brands in custom loops.. for a beginner custom loop it's pretty damn nice and even i'm considering going that route instead of continuing to use an AIO.. price isn't that bad either surprisingly, the only thing that might stop me is the RGB crap though.
 
I didn't realize Corsair had entered the custom loop market.

I'll have to Google that.

I have EK blocks now. The GPU block is brilliant. The CPU block is OK. I'm thinking of picking up a Heatkiller IV for my Ryzen build.

I’ve had Heatkiller stuff for both cpu and GPU blocks in the past, pretty good stuff.

Corsair made some smart choices on partners. They use Hardware labs for the radiators and Bitspower for fittings. Their res is really neat too, it’s made out of a clear nylon to make it more durable. Apparently they picked a very expensive grade of nylon for it.
 
5 skus? What about the 3200g and 3400g...? I have seen some mixed info that those should be released same time as these chips on the 7th?
 
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