AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Overclocked To 5 GHz Across All 16 Cores On LN2

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https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Formula/

Wonder what makes the Formula do special? I mean i sure its worth more

Waterclock, thermal armor (includes steel back plate), onboard controls, LiveDash 1.3" OLED, water flow headers, and more importantly, an expensive VRM configuration. It's a 16-phase system using 60AMP IR3555's. It specifically shows on ASUS' product that there is no phase doubler either. Meaning, its a very expensive configuration. The chokes are more expensive as are the 10k rated capacitors. All of that stuff adds to the cost. You also have an IC which allows flashing the BIOS without having a CPU installed. The list of reasons why this thing is so expensive really goes on and on. Things like the water flow sensors and LiveDash OLED require additional IC's on the PCB to make them work.

Then you have PCIe 4.0 support and the X570 chipset itself. Implementation is supposedly considerably more expensive than the last generation was.
 
Thanks for the info guys.....Honesty I have always felt like the motherboard should be the smartest investment even over the power supply. (cause the board is more of a pain to change) I usually invest 300-400 for my boards and even with the increase of price im sure the next Hero will still be in that price range. Ill probably just stay with my current board since since all the new cpus are backwards comparable. If i could preorder the 3900x now i probably would. If anything i might invest in a better cpu cooler like what ever is the biggest and best AIO cooler that would fit well in my case.
 
I wonder if they're holding a Crosshair VIII "Extreme" model back for release alongside the 3950X part? I've had fantastic success with Asus boards over the years, with ROG often being the top choice (and at the time, offering a better showing compared to MSI / Gigabyte etc.. own luxury lines) both in builds for myself and others. For ATX boards (Impact for instance is the ROG suffix for mITX or similar SFF), the "Hero" type boards seem to have some of the highest end features for the best value I've found to date, with "Formula" being a moderate step up from that in price and niche features. Last i recall though, the top of the line was typically "Extreme", so its absence is noted unless I'm missing something. Then again, the last AMD "Extreme" board I can see on the site was the Crosshair VI Extreme, so there doesn't seem to be one for the VII'th generation. Maybe they've done away with it?
 
Aorus Master is going to be the sweet spot.
It certainly was when I was looking at Z390 boards for my 9900k. Trouble is, the power delivery is really the main standout quality - BIOS and other things are lacking in typical Gigabyte fashion.
 
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-16-core-cpu-5-ghz-overclock-ddr4-5100-mhz-world-record/

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Overclocked To 5 GHz (On LN2)

Beats the record for 16 core CPUs. (Previous record was a 5928 MHz Intel Core i9 9960X)

Impressive IPC...
Pretty High RAM speed too: (4533 MHz during the run)

Wow! Three records of several dozens! Cinebench, which is a favorable test for AMD muarch and Geekbench 4, a toy bench, where the new 3950X got a whole 7% higher score than a 7000-series Intel CPU!

And R9 using a new motherboard and pushing memory to 4533 MHz, whereas other records are on older boards and memory at 2700 MHz or less.

To me this is very terrible news for people expecting to get anywhere near 5GHz on air / water with Zen2. If you need LN2 to get 5GHz there is no overclock headroom.

No one would be surprised. We have known for years that TSMC 7HPC is designed for clocks around 4.5GHz. Just as we knew that Glofo 14LPP would hit a wall around 4GHz.
 
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Also, don't forget the IPC difference. I'd rather have 15% more IPC than 15% more clock...

There is a difference. 15% higher base clock applies to all situations, whereas IPC depends on the code: it is not 15% across all applications.

That is only true if you believe the chiplet is the only factor. But it's not. You have to consider the IO chip as well, which controls both chiplets. Just adding a second chiplet effects the IO chip before you even factor in what overclocking does to it. There is also twice as much heat being produced in the same cooling radius when you are comparing one chiplet vs 2, even when testing with LN2. Then you have to also factor in MB limitations, which is also sporting a beta bios. And then there is also the question: is this a retail chip or an ES?

The screeenshot shows this isn't an ES.
 
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Wow! Three records of several dozens! Cinebench, which is a favorable test for AMD muarch and Geekbench 4, a toy bench, where the new 3950X got a whole 7% higher score than a 7000-series Intel CPU!

And R9 using a new motherboard and pushing memory to 4533 MHz, whereas other records are on older boards and memory at 2700 MHz or less.

Remember this is comparing a mainstream socket to a HEDT socket.
The mainstream CPU is faster than than the HEDT one.
It will probably compete very well with Intel's flashship HEDT CPU, the 9980xe.
I'd say that is pretty impressive whatever the bench.
But I know I won't be winning this argument....I mean you are juanrga..........

There is a difference. 15% higher base clock applies to all situations, whereas IPC depends on the code: it is not 15% across all applications.

You're right!!!
Zen 2 has double the FPU. So Zen 2 + clocks should be 2x faster then Zen at FPU intensive tasks!!!!!!!!!!!! 15% at all else.
THanks for pointing that out I almost forgot about Zen 2's FPU capabilities!!!!!!
 
Remember this is comparing a mainstream socket to a HEDT socket.
The mainstream CPU is faster than than the HEDT one.
It will probably compete very well with Intel's flashship HEDT CPU, the 9980xe.
I'd say that is pretty impressive whatever the bench.
But I know I won't be winning this argument....I mean you are juanrga..........

You're right!!!
Zen 2 has double the FPU. So Zen 2 + clocks should be 2x faster then Zen at FPU intensive tasks!!!!!!!!!!!! 15% at all else.
THanks for pointing that out I almost forgot about Zen 2's FPU capabilities!!!!!!

$749 isn't mainstream independently of the socket used.

Zen2 has 256bit SIMD units. So it will produce 2x peak performance only on code compiled for 256bit, not on any code. Moreover, AVX islands are surrounded by x86 code. So the real performance increase will be less than 2x. It will be also interesting to see how memory bottlenecks Zen2 in scientific applications, because the BW/FP ratio is worse than for other designs.
 
$749 isn't mainstream independently of the socket used.

Zen2 has 256bit SIMD units. So it will produce 2x peak performance only on code compiled for 256bit, not on any code. Moreover, AVX islands are surrounded by x86 code. So the real performance increase will be less than 2x. It will be also interesting to see how memory bottlenecks Zen2 in scientific applications, because the BW/FP ratio is worse than for other designs.

Wow you're an Intel guy and arguing about price!?!?!! LOL!
 
While it may seem sad that 5ghz on all cores requires LN2, I'm much more interested in how many cores I can hit 5ghz on water. If that turns out to be 4 cores, I'm still all in. That gives me 16 cores to play with when compiling and multitasking and 4+ cores in demanding games. Now that games actually take advantage of anywhere from 4-8 cores I see the trend upwards starting to happen for multi-threading finally, so 16 cores may not be so absurd in the near to mid-term future. However I'm still going with the best water-cooling overclocker so maybe that'll be the 12 core. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
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With the rumors for the next threadripper being q4 this year, I'll probably go with the 16 or 32 core threadshredder, hopefully the lower core count threadrippers OC as well as that 3950x.
 
Wow! Three records of several dozens! Cinebench, which is a favorable test for AMD muarch and Geekbench 4, a toy bench, where the new 3950X got a whole 7% higher score than a 7000-series Intel CPU!

All of that and Intel still had the world records with those chips. Until the 3950X came along, that is.

And R9 using a new motherboard and pushing memory to 4533 MHz, whereas other records are on older boards and memory at 2700 MHz or less.

Yeah, because NOBODY in the XOC community was trying to break those records. They just looked at them and said, "Yep! That's good for another few years!"

juanrga, you're in for a rough couple of quarters my friend.
 
All of that and Intel still had the world records with those chips. Until the 3950X came along, that is.



Yeah, because NOBODY in the XOC community was trying to break those records. They just looked at them and said, "Yep! That's good for another few years!"

juanrga, you're in for a rough couple of quarters my friend.

Yeah.. just wait for that 64 core thread ripper lol.
 
So the TDP of the 3950X is 105 watts. I'm gunna throw a dark rock pro 4 on it. You think that'll be sufficient? It'll be in an in-win A1 plus. It seems to be a decently cooled case. I'm okay with 80ish degree temps. Little of my time is spent maxxing out the CPU.
 
So the TDP of the 3950X is 105 watts. I'm gunna throw a dark rock pro 4 on it. You think that'll be sufficient? It'll be in an in-win A1 plus. It seems to be a decently cooled case. I'm okay with 80ish degree temps. Little of my time is spent maxxing out the CPU.
A 250w cooler should be plenty at stock. If you want to take advantage of xfr, a better cooler will help, but it may be enough for a decent boost.
 
So the TDP of the 3950X is 105 watts. I'm gunna throw a dark rock pro 4 on it. You think that'll be sufficient? It'll be in an in-win A1 plus. It seems to be a decently cooled case. I'm okay with 80ish degree temps. Little of my time is spent maxxing out the CPU.

I'll bet that thing isn't 105w under PB2 or PBO, much less manually overclocked.
 
I'll bet that thing isn't 105w under PB2 or PBO, much less manually overclocked.

Ya, I figured - was hoping 250 watt dissipation of the DRP4 would give me some decent boost. I never overclock though. At most I'll be running some VM's, encoding here and there, and gaming.
 
Yeah, because NOBODY in the XOC community was trying to break those records. They just looked at them and said, "Yep! That's good for another few years!"

juanrga, you're in for a rough couple of quarters my friend.

What I am saying is that the records are far from impressive when one takes them in context. Next quarters will be very funny because I will be watching how people begin looking for excuses when the product is reviewed and far from the current hype.
 
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I am not arguing. It is a fact that $749 isn't mainstream.

Go bitch at Intel about it. They're the ones that defined the different platforms (mainsteam and HEDT). High end X570/Z-series boards are far outside of "mainstream" prices as well, but they're still built on the mainstream platform.
 
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Go bitch at Intel about it.

Show me a thread with Intel fanboys pretending that $700--800 Intel chip is mainstream and I will post in that thread the same that I am posting here: that $749 isn't mainstream.
 
What I am saying is that the records are far from impressive when one takes them in context.

What context would that be? To me the context appears to be that those were the highest scores ever obtained in those benchmarks and the 3950X was able to break those records. Seems pretty simple to me.

Next quarters will be very funny because I will be watching how people begin looking for excuses when the product is reviewed and far from the current hype.

Hey, at least there will be products to criticize!
 
Show me a thread with Intel fanboys pretending that $700--800 Intel chip is mainstream and I will post in that thread the same that I am posting here: that $749 isn't mainstream.

You're intentionally ignoring the naming scheme, defined by Intel. I'd argue no CPU over $250 really counts as "mainstream" but the PLATFORM is defined (by Intel) as the "Mainstream Platform". The higher-end platform is defined (again, by Intel) as HEDT. Intel could release a $5,000 CPU that runs on LGA 1151 and it would still be a CPU that runs on their mainstream PLATFORM despite the high cost.
 
Show me a thread with Intel fanboys pretending that $700--800 Intel chip is mainstream and I will post in that thread the same that I am posting here: that $749 isn't mainstream.
I think you are confusing what we call "mainstream" and what Intel and AMD have defined as "mainstream platform" and "HEDT platform".

No freaking duh $749 isn't mainstream, we aren't talking about the same thing here....
 
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What context would that be? To me the context appears to be that those were the highest scores ever obtained in those benchmarks and the 3950X was able to break those records. Seems pretty simple to me.

The context is that two records are on Cinebench, which is a very favorable benchmark for AMD RyZen, and the third record is on a toy bench, where the 3950X beats by only 7% a CPU released in 2017.

You're intentionally ignoring the naming scheme, defined by Intel. I'd argue no CPU over $250 really counts as "mainstream" but the PLATFORM is defined (by Intel) as the "Mainstream Platform". The higher-end platform is defined (again, by Intel) as HEDT. Intel could release a $5,000 CPU that runs on LGA 1151 and it would still be a CPU that runs on their mainstream PLATFORM despite the high cost.

I am not using companies scheme. If you are bound to their schemes you can arrive to funny consequences like that this 'mainstream' AMD processor is nearly twice more expensive than some 'HEDT' low core model from Intel.

I think you are confusing what we call "mainstream" and what Intel and AMD have defined as "mainstream platform" and "HEDT platform".

No freaking duh $749 isn't mainstream, we aren't talking about the same thing here....

I don't care what the companies say.
 
The context is that two records are on Cinebench, which is a very favorable benchmark for AMD RyZen, and the third record is on a toy bench, where the 3950X beats by only 7% a CPU released in 2017.

So world records only matter if Intel holds them. Got it. (Also, what has Intel been doing since 2017? No performance gains at all? That kind of sucks, doesn't it?)
 
Or or or, we could all chill out and wait for launch and real reviews with real overclocking numbers instead of angry typing on the internet?

Hahaha just kidding.

(Also why would you argue with someone whose profile says they're Anti-AMD, just ignore it lol)
 
Or or or, we could all chill out and wait for launch and real reviews with real overclocking numbers instead of angry typing on the internet?

Hahaha just kidding.

(Also why would you argue with someone whose profile says they're Anti-AMD, just ignore it lol)

Everything you say is wrong. Also, your mom watches TV with motion smoothing turned on.

OH SNAP.
 
The context is that two records are on Cinebench, which is a very favorable benchmark for AMD RyZen, and the third record is on a toy bench, where the 3950X beats by only 7% a CPU released in 2017.

I am not using companies scheme. If you are bound to their schemes you can arrive to funny consequences like that this 'mainstream' AMD processor is nearly twice more expensive than some 'HEDT' low core model from Intel.

I don't care what the companies say.

At least you acknowledge the difference lol

You also have to acknowledge that this thread is about a "mainstream platform" CPU. Whether the price is mainstream or not is irrevelant.
In the end price is the ultimate factor as far as buying something but again we are talking about "mainstream platform" here. Keyword, Platform.
AMD's mainstream platform allowing CPUs to enroach on HEDT territory in performance is welcomed by people such as us. Upgrade path for days...

Now if we talk about AMD's HEDT platform vs Intel's HEDT, AMD has them beat overall and will probably outright be faster in everything once Threadripper 3 hits, I mean even the 3950x is competing with Intel's HEDT on some levels.

About the HEDT low core model from Intel, are you talking about the 7740x by chance??? If so, then that CPU is a HEDT CPU without the benefits that the HEDT platform features lol!
 
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