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Loved everything about the last half of season 1. When Lorca reveals that surprise: he's actually from the evil universe and starts walking around with a golden space sword, that was epic.
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Loved everything about the last half of season 1. When Lorca reveals that surprise: he's actually from the evil universe and starts walking around with a golden space sword, that was epic.
Sure the writings bad too. But she over-acts every scene to the point of distraction. Worse actor/actress on the show.
Yeah, Discovery is right up there with Voyager.
They both hover near the bottom for me.
DS9 is the best Star Trek. TNG is second. Patrick Stewart is probably the best actor in any Star Trek series, but he couldn't carry the show by himself. Best episodes are centered on Picard.
I just saw this on YouTube and thought some of you would find it interesting to say the least:
No, that is when it started to suck. Because until then, Lorca was a bad ass Starfleet captain, and the best thing about the show.
Assuming it's not a spoiler for s2 of Discovery, what's section 31?Definitely more interested in the section 31 spin off and even more interested in Picard series (at least that won't be a prequel).
I'll add that Shatner had his share of overacting on Trek (though I can't remember if that was in the movies, TOS or both. I haven't seen TOS since the 90s or possibly the 80s, so I may be being harsh on Shatner. That said, I liked S1 of this series. I'd argue it was the best S1 of any trek with the possible exception of TOS (and again, I LOVE DS9, but S1 was hit an miss, while S2 was, as I recall, mostly a hit and S3 was better than S7 of TNG)
Shatners overacting is entertaining, since the guy has charisma. Sonequa Martin-Green has negative charisma. I really can't remember the last time I found anyone in a show so off putting. She is by far the greatest negative for me (occasionally eclipsed by terrible writing).
Lorca was great but he is gone, Pike was quite good too, also gone. We are left with the terrible and mediocre characters, mediocre writing and ultimately it's a prequel that won't go anywhere, so I really don't care.
And almost everyone on H was complaining that it wasn't trek like and that was largely because of Lorca. I personally am not one to give 2 shits about Canon of Trek. If it's tied together, great, but for the most part I considered each series to be discrete (though there was a bit of overlap with TNG and DS9, mostly because of Worf and the fact that the Cardsassian story line originated on TNG.
Assuming it's not a spoiler for s2 of Discovery, what's section 31?
I'm mostly interested in Picard, because it's Patrick Stewart. I'm kinda expecting it to have very little to do with Star Trek, but maybe it'll have flashbacks. Nevertheless, I'll wait for 3 or 4 different shows to be done before I sign up for a month and watch them.
negative, the best episodes were centered around the main cast, stewart became a greedy bastage and ytou can see in seasons going onwards after lecuitis that it was all picard centeredSure the writings bad too. But she over-acts every scene to the point of distraction. Worse actor/actress on the show.
Yeah, Discovery is right up there with Voyager.
They both hover near the bottom for me.
DS9 is the best Star Trek. TNG is second. Patrick Stewart is probably the best actor in any Star Trek series, but he couldn't carry the show by himself. Best episodes are centered on Picard.
Yeah, fucking established themes, lore and canon, we need more Beastie Boys epic action scenes, am I right?l Fuck yeah, woooo!Yeah, I remember people complaining about Lorca, for not being a Goody-Two-Shoes TNG like captain. IMO that was a breath of fresh air. It was about time for the Utopian nonsense to die off.
Yeah, fucking established themes, lore and canon, we need more Beastie Boys epic action scenes, am I right?l Fuck yeah, woooo!
Just recognize that human nature is not reflected by the naive idealism of Roddenberry era Star Trek, and that Roddenberry era is NOT the only valid Star Trek. There is a contingent Trekkies that feel the same way about DS9 as they did about Lorca, that it isn't "real" Star Trek because it doesn't reflect naive Utopian idealism of Roddenberry era.
Sisko is bad ass, Lorca is just pathetically bad. Every Star Trek has been in line with Roddenberry's Star Trek. STD is a Bad Robot abomination that has nothing to do with Star Trek. And we certainly don't need nor, evidently, want whatever Lorca wanted to pass for a ST captain.How does having a bad ass captain violate Canon?
Just recognize that human nature is not reflected by the naive idealism of Roddenberry era Star Trek, and that Roddenberry era is NOT the only valid Star Trek. There is a contingent Trekkies that feel the same way about DS9 as they did about Lorca, that it isn't "real" Star Trek because it doesn't reflect naive Utopian idealism of Roddenberry era.
Does it have time travel yet?
You can't fuck up anything properly without time travel.
Shatners overacting is entertaining, since the guy has charisma. Sonequa Martin-Green has negative charisma. I really can't remember the last time I found anyone in a show so off putting. She is by far the greatest negative for me (occasionally eclipsed by terrible writing).
Lorca was great but he is gone, Pike was quite good too, also gone. We are left with the terrible and mediocre characters, mediocre writing and ultimately it's a prequel that won't go anywhere, so I really don't care.
Sisko is bad ass, Lorca is just pathetically bad. Every Star Trek has been in line with Roddenberry's Star Trek. STD is a Bad Robot abomination that has nothing to do with Star Trek. And we certainly don't need nor, evidently, want whatever Lorca wanted to pass for a ST captain.
Star Trek Discovery has given us the single greatest depiction of any star trek captain to date. Pike. That's right, I went there.
Yeah, I remember people complaining about Lorca, for not being a Goody-Two-Shoes TNG like captain. IMO that was a breath of fresh air. It was about time for the Utopian nonsense to die off. So another reason to be annoyed when the killed him off and are trying to revert to form.
OK that sound interesting. About the only thing more interesting is if Ira Behr gets the funding to totally upgrade DS9 to 2k (or better still 4k). I so want to see that series again, but I find the current video unwatchable. Almost makes me wish I had an old 35" SD tube to watch it on (I assume it'd look OK on that).Section 31 stories originated on DS9 IIRC, so I will just refer to that. Section 31 is like Starfleets Black Ops, at least in DS9. So a Black Ops spin off agian sounds more interesting to me, than old fashioned Trek Utopianism.
I liked TOS when I use to watch it. I liked TNG, though in retrospect, S1 was often bad and S2 was hit and miss...and it didn't help that there was writers strike that year (see the only clip show in Trek history), but as we both agree, DS9 was the shit and it got trashed for not being true to Gene's vision...probalby true, but who cares. It was great story telling. And the writing was generally top notch. I remember when I rewatched it, being amazed that much of the long dominion arc started well before anyone thought a thing about the Dominion.How does having a bad ass captain violate Canon?
Just recognize that human nature is not reflected by the naive idealism of Roddenberry era Star Trek, and that Roddenberry era is NOT the only valid Star Trek. There is a contingent Trekkies that feel the same way about DS9 as they did about Lorca, that it isn't "real" Star Trek because it doesn't reflect naive Utopian idealism of Roddenberry era.
Sisko is bad ass, Lorca is just pathetically bad. Every Star Trek has been in line with Roddenberry's Star Trek. STD is a Bad Robot abomination that has nothing to do with Star Trek. And we certainly don't need nor, evidently, want whatever Lorca wanted to pass for a ST captain.
People said DS9 was not true to Gene's vision when it aired.
As I said, I need to watch S2.
How does having a bad ass captain violate Canon?
Just recognize that human nature is not reflected by the naive idealism of Roddenberry era Star Trek, and that Roddenberry era is NOT the only valid Star Trek. There is a contingent Trekkies that feel the same way about DS9 as they did about Lorca, that it isn't "real" Star Trek because it doesn't reflect naive Utopian idealism of Roddenberry era.
Waiting for the Tarantino R-rated Star Trek/Wars movies.
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People said DS9 was not true to Gene's vision when it aired. It was too dark. There was too much internal conflict. But even if they were right, it doesn't change the fact that DS9 was the best Trek by a long shot. Frankly, they shouldn't have killed it when they did. They almost certainly had a couple more seasons of good stories to tell.
There were probably more good Cardassian characters alone on DS9, than there were good characters altogether, on any one of the other shows.
Garak is my rewatch trigger for DS9. Actor was in nothing else, but he nailed that role completely.
Waiting for the Tarantino R-rated Star Trek/Wars movies.
100% agreed on Garak. DS9 just keeps aging like fine wine. I personally think it now surpasses all other Treks in greatness.Garak is one of my favorite character on DS9. Dukat was fantastic too, a really awesome villain. Damar was quite good as his second. There was a really great episode where a Cardassian confessed to being a war Criminal, but it wasn't actually him. He just felt there needed to be closure. Don't know his name, but that guy was also great.
I'm with you there, but they also had great writing. It started in Season 3, but once RD Moore came on board and the top brass left to concentrate on Voyager, DS9 took it up a gear. Whether it was mostly the writers or the lack of Berman's involvement, it worked, while to me Voyager rarely worked. I remember at the time thinking if they had 7 good episodes in a season it was a good one (or was it 1 out every 7 episodes was good?).To me, the ultimate thing they need to get right is characters. This is where DS9 blows the next best two ST shows combined off the map.
So many great characters, that they could have drawn on them for more years. There were probably more good Cardassian characters alone on DS9, than there were good characters altogether, on any one of the other shows.
The studio won't do it because TNG didn't sell well on Blu Ray. As I said above, I'll pay big bucks to kickstart. I'll gladly hand over 700 bucks for the entire series. I'd prefer 4k, but I doubt they built the CGI to that level. I know that at least some of the CGI for later seasons was done well enough for 2k (there are videos on Youtube).I've been waiting for DS9 on BD forever. It better get the same love as TNG. I dunno, the first few seasons of Voyager are weak but there are some gems in there. Once 7 of 9 gets on board it really picks up. TNG does have some weak characters, they could've left #1 out, but its a classic and well written. I can't watch much of TOS anymore, 'the trouble with tribbles', ugh, although a few are legendary like 'The Enterprise Incident'. For all the STE h8rz, I get it but don't forget about Shran you pink skins. Combs always nails his ST roles. He's good in other classics too, re-animator, dr. mordrid.
Picard is under the 25% different rule. It will suck.Yup, Lorca and Pike were by far two best chars, and even they barely made it palatable. Just holding out that Picard doesnt suck.
Star Trek Discovery has given us the single greatest depiction of any star trek captain to date. Pike. That's right, I went there.
Star Trek Discovery's Captain Pike > Picard/Sisko/Kirk/Archer/Janeway