AMD drops Threadripper3 from latest roadmap-Tom's

"So, what's going on with third-gen Threadripper? The changed listing could just be an unintentional removal, and Threadripper will arrive as planned this year, but it could boil down to a few issues (or a mix of them): available dies and motherboards."
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-third-gen-threadripper-roadmap,39254.html

Or, maybe they are starting to question the need for Threadripper in a world where Ryzen is rumored to come with up to 16C/32T and has 40 PCIe lanes off the chipset?
 
yeah a bit redundant with a 16c ryzen available.

Yeah, so if rumors are true, in a world with 16C Ryzen and 40 chipset PCIe lanes, you are paying a lot more for really only two benefitsd I can think of:

- 64 dedicated CPU PcIe lanes (vs 28 CPU dedicated + 40 on Chipset)
- Quad Channel RAM.

That's pretty much it.

Certainly worth it to some, but I wonder if AMD is starting to question how many.
 
About time for a new chipset for the platform. Considering the memory bandwidth you gain from the platform it still has it's niche. They're not ready to expand on that yet. Hey, it might jump up to Zen 3 on 7nm EUV. Color me intrigued.
 
Profitability is in the volume and margin. Simplifying the lineup might be the way to go, but we don't know, yet. i can see up to 12 cores/24T at launch to use slightly marginal dies on 2 chiplet packages, then pull out the high bine stock for lineup refresh to goose the market.
 
I really wouldn't mind a 64c/128t 3.xghz workstation. Certainly reduce my render times...
 
Or, maybe they are starting to question the need for Threadripper in a world where Ryzen is rumored to come with up to 16C/32T and has 40 PCIe lanes off the chipset?
A 12 - 16 core threadripper makes zero sense if they have a 16 core ryzen possibly with higher clocks even. As Intel learned the hard way with the 7640x and 7740x. But Threadripper would still make sense with 24 to 64 cores.
 
I wonder if an older ryzen in a x570 board will get all those pcie lanes?
 
I'm betting that Threadripper 3 is being dropped for a new name to reflect the re work in the technology. Also I am thinking that we will see a new chipset for the new generation of CPU's will be needed to fully unlock them.

But that's just me.
 
A 12 - 16 core threadripper makes zero sense if they have a 16 core ryzen possibly with higher clocks even. As Intel learned the hard way with the 7640x and 7740x. But Threadripper would still make sense with 24 to 64 cores.

It could very well go that way if the rumors are true. I could see a 24+ core Threadripper being the new minimum for that platform.
 
I wonder if an older ryzen in a x570 board will get all those pcie lanes?

Probably, yes, but they would be bandwidth starved.

The chipset lanes share the bandwidth of the uplink lanes between the CPU and the chipset. With an older Ryzen you would be on gen3, and not be able to take advantage of gen 4.

So, you'd have a whole lot of lanes, limited by their upstream bandwidth to the CPU.
 
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I would be pretty upset with AMD if TR3 doesn't show. I definitely want to just drop in the third gen version TR chip into my current system. I bought my 1950x with expectations that I would be able to do that to at least the third generation chip so I was planning to buy one.
 
It's not so bad, If the TR line goes away, it'll appear in some other form.
My Threadrippers will provide plenty of productivity for a good many years, and then there will be more options.
 
I'm betting that Threadripper 3 is being dropped for a new name to reflect the re work in the technology. Also I am thinking that we will see a new chipset for the new generation of CPU's will be needed to fully unlock them.

But that's just me.

given their move to add the WX to the 2990 and 2970 i wouldn't be surprised either if threadripper gets rebranded.. given they're basically using server grade chips marketing it as a work station processor instead of "threadripper" would probably sell better at least on a professional level. still think threadripper was a cool name and a good way to bring their version of HEDT to the market, but now it's time to actually get serious about it.

so you have base Ryzen for am4, Ryzen WX for TR, Ryzen Epyc for server grade.. also the name would be shorter than putting "Ryzen Threadripper" on everything. that's just my theory at least.. we'll probably learn more about it in 2 weeks though.
 
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given their move to the WX addon to the 2990 and 2970 i wouldn't be surprised either if threadripper gets rebranded.. given they're basically using server grade chips marketing it as a work station processor instead of "threadripper" would probably sell better at least on a professional level. still think threadripper was a cool name and a good way to bring their version of HEDT to the market, but now it's time to actually get serious about it.
Kinda my thought on it as well. Looking forward to the next line of goodies they have in it's place
 
I was also thinking a rebrand as they have made commitments to the platform, no? I know they're not legally bound to end users but don't think they would pull such a thing. Not in their position.
 
I was also thinking a rebrand as they have made commitments to the platform, no? I know they're not legally bound to end users but don't think they would pull such a thing. Not in their position.
the original TR was sort of a test and had no plans on continuing it after first gen from what i understand but given how successful it was they continued it with zen+. maybe now they've realized there's a market there and the name no longer fits what they want to market? hard to say.
 
Real talk: why does everyone talk about PCIE lanes when talking about Ryzen/Threadripper like it is a must have? A LOT of people Ive seen running the systems talked about here are running pretty basic setups with one video card, a couple hard drives, etc.

What is the real world benefit of having 40,000 PCIE lanes vs enough to cover what you actually NEED?
 
Real talk: why does everyone talk about PCIE lanes when talking about Ryzen/Threadripper like it is a must have? A LOT of people Ive seen running the systems talked about here are running pretty basic setups with one video card, a couple hard drives, etc.

What is the real world benefit of having 40,000 PCIE lanes vs enough to cover what you actually NEED?

some of us are lazy and forget to update our signatures. :) i think the big thing is that with NVME and pcie m.2 drives finally becoming more affordable the need for PCIe lanes is starting to actually matter. but of course that'll always be a niche market since the general public wouldn't know the difference if you told them anyways.
 
Well the rippers have lots of real estate and making them with as little as 8 cores always perplexed me.
Maybe we will see a 64/128 core threadripper now.
 
I think it would please a lot of content creators/engineers/coders if AMD would extend the Epyc platform into workstations, perhaps instead of continuing the Threadripper platform.

The complaints I've heard come up often re: Epyc and TR4 are that the Threadripper platform is perhaps excessively prosumer/gamer-focused in the sense that there is a lack of "serious" motherboards for people who just want a solid, boring workstation with features like IPMI and explicit ECC support without flashy board designs and RGB LEDs etc.
And on the other extreme, folks have found the Epyc platform lacking for workstation use because the chips have very low clocks compared to TR/Xeon and the boards are more expensive, harder to source, and very much aimed at the datacenter and not the desk feature-wise.

If AMD were to release 12C & 16C Ryzen 9 parts on AM4, and high-clocked 16/24/32C Epyc parts on SP3 along with encouraging partners to offer more explicitly-workstation-oriented SP3 boards, I don't think anyone would miss Threadripper other than the folks who are already on the platform.
 
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Real talk: why does everyone talk about PCIE lanes when talking about Ryzen/Threadripper like it is a must have? A LOT of people Ive seen running the systems talked about here are running pretty basic setups with one video card, a couple hard drives, etc.

What is the real world benefit of having 40,000 PCIE lanes vs enough to cover what you actually NEED?
Using NVME drives instead of SATA as the reach price point parity.
 
Real talk: why does everyone talk about PCIE lanes when talking about Ryzen/Threadripper like it is a must have? A LOT of people Ive seen running the systems talked about here are running pretty basic setups with one video card, a couple hard drives, etc.

What is the real world benefit of having 40,000 PCIE lanes vs enough to cover what you actually NEED?
The integrated nic usb and sata controllers already use a few pcie lanes. Add two GPUs, two M.2 NVME SSDs. And you're already well over 40.
 
And on the other extreme, folks have found the Epyc platform lacking for workstation use because the chips have very low clocks compared to TR/Xeon and the boards are more expensive, harder to source, and very much aimed at the datacenter and not the desk feature-wise.

I have some servers to replace next year and specifically asked the AMD guys at last year's Ignite to please release some "speed optimized" Epycs. There is a need for 16/24 core parts at 3 GHz sitting between the Ryzen 8c at 4 GHz and the Epyc 32c at 2GHz parts.
 
the original TR was sort of a test and had no plans on continuing it after first gen from what i understand but given how successful it was they continued it with zen+. maybe now they've realized there's a market there and the name no longer fits what they want to market? hard to say.
My sentiments exactly. TR was really an afterthought, a "why not?" product that happened to do very well in both performance and sales. Take the base product, invest some serious resources into developing, and come out with a proper Workstation CPU sitting between Ryzen and Epyc, with a rebrand and more serious ecosystem. Makes sense to me.
 
They will get the chipset lanes, but not the ones on the cpu.;

What have you heard about the lanes on the CPU?

I've been operating under the assumption that the new 7nm CPU's have the same same 28 lanes as previous Ryzen's, just Gen 4 instead of Gen 3.

I'm basing this off of the fact that adding lanes requires more CPU pins, and they are using the same socket, so the number of lanes can't have changed, unless they had unused pins previously.

Previous Ryzens had 28 lanes total, with 4x of them being dedicated to chipset uplink, leaving 24 direct to CPU lanes available for use. In 99.99% of applications this meant 16x for the GPU, and 8x for something else (PCIe Slot? M.2 Port? etc) and maybe some extra lanes coming off the chipset.

It will be interesting to see how many of what I am assuming are the 28 CPU lanes they will use as CPU uplink lanes this time around. If you have 40 chipset lanes it seems nuts to have all those lanes share 4x uplink lanes to the CPU, even if those lanes are Gen4 thus doubling the bandwidth of the previous design. I'm betting they've upped the number of uplink lanes tot he chipset. Maybe to 8x? This leaves 16x GPU + 4x m.2(?) direct to the CPU, plus whatever lanes coming off of the chipset sharing the bandwidth of a much more reasonable 8x Gen4.

I have no internal AMD insight, but this makes sense to me, whereas having 40x lanes share the bandwidth of 4x uplink lanes absolutely does not.
 
Well that would suck. I'm planning on building a new workstation this summer/fall with TR3 if its not a product Cascade Lake X it is.

Though I tend to agree with the thinking above that it will be a rebrand and more Workstation Focused than gamer focused. Which is fine with me. I want a workstation I'll do something else for a game rig.
 
Well that would suck. I'm planning on building a new workstation this summer/fall with TR3 if its not a product Cascade Lake X it is.

Though I tend to agree with the thinking above that it will be a rebrand and more Workstation Focused than gamer focused. Which is fine with me. I want a workstation I'll do something else for a game rig.

Again, if Ryzen has 16 cores and 40 PCIe lanes off of the chipset, what benefit does Threadripper still provide? How much money is quad channel RAM worth to you?

By the sounds of it, Ryzen IS the new AMD HEDT platform.

On a side note, can anyone tell me what the T in HEDT stands for?
 
Again, if Ryzen has 16 cores and 40 PCIe lanes off of the chipset, what benefit does Threadripper still provide? How much money is quad channel RAM worth to you?

By the sounds of it, Ryzen IS the new AMD HEDT platform.

On a side note, can anyone tell me what the T in HEDT stands for?

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This is disappointing to me. My dream was that new TR would have been the beastly VM and homelab system it ought to be.

With removing NUMA by using the central IO die as hub, it seems like the perfect next iteration for the platform.

Maybe it was too good, providing competition to the server market.
 
Intel came up with the naming so it being weird is on them.

Intel not only came up with the name, but they've functionally created the concept and platform around 1995 with the Pentium Pro. It was a similar dynamic between it and the standard Pentium back in the day as we have between LGA 1151 CPU's and their LGA 2066 counterparts.
 
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