Roadmap shows that in 2021, Intel desktop CPUs will remain on 14nm

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Tweakers has received two new roadmaps from Dell's presentation.

On the desktop (referred to as the -S series) roadmap, Coffee Lake Refresh will be succeeded by 14nm Comet Lake, which have up to 10 cores. In 2020, 14nm Rocket Lake, which again, have up to 10 cores, will succeed Comet Lake.

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Om the laptop roadmap, 14nm Comet Lake-H, with up to 10 cores, is slate for release in 2020. 14nm Comet Lake-U will succeed Kaby Lake-U and have up to 6 cores.

Another roadmap shows limited release of Ice Lake, 10 nm, in 2019. This includes Ice Lake-U with dual-core with hyper-threading and Ice Lake-Y.

Tiger Lake-U and Tiger Lake-Y, will follow in 2020. These are again made on 10 nm and will have up to 4 cores. Rocket Lake-U and Rocket Lake-Y, made on 14nm, will also have up to 6 cores.


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https://tweakers.net/nieuws/151984/...l-in-2021-nog-desktop-cpus-op-14nm-maakt.html
 
What's with all of the "Lakes".

Are you certain they are not just talking about the Chipset? The wattages on the left column, say 6-10W (SOC), do not sound like a CPU wattage. Probably these are chipsets.

Edit: That Comet Lake H up top does look like a CPU, with >=65W noted. But that launches Q1-2020 (or maybe even Q4-2019). Still not seeing this as "2021"...

You need to edit the thread title, it's misleading atm.
 
Only reference I find relating to "Rocket Lake" is this and our old reliable friend WCCFTech. I have never heard of Tweakers before. Rocket Lake is a real lake, so goes with Intel's current naming scheme for chips, but the fact that it comes right after Comet Lake Makes me feel like this is a troll. Also, this roadmap does not have the quality and polish of every other confidential roadmap I have seen leaked from Intel. Looks like it was made in 10-15 minutes in Visio.
 
What's with all of the "Lakes".

Are you certain they are not just talking about the Chipset? The wattages on the left column, say 6-10W (SOC), do not sound like a CPU wattage. Probably these are chipsets.

Edit: That Comet Lake H up top does look like a CPU, with >=65W noted. But that launches Q1-2020 (or maybe even Q4-2019). Still not seeing this as "2021"...

You need to edit the thread title, it's misleading atm.
what's miss leading? top picture is commercial/consumer.. bottom picture is all their mobile/low power chips. S series are the desktop high power cpu's.

z series is intel's atom processors used in tablets.
m series will eventually replace z series.
n series are used in 2 in 1/ultra budget laptops.
Y series is pretty much the same as N series.
and the rest you can probably figure out.

Only reference I find relating to "Rocket Lake" is this and our old reliable friend WCCFTech. I have never heard of Tweakers before. Rocket Lake is a real lake, so goes with Intel's current naming scheme for chips, but the fact that it comes right after Comet Lake Makes me feel like this is a troll. Also, this roadmap does not have the quality and polish of every other confidential roadmap I have seen leaked from Intel. Looks like it was made in 10-15 minutes in Visio.

that's because it's from dell's internal road map vs something directly from intel. my guess would be that it's related more toward professional systems which tend to be 6-10 months behind consumer hardware and are rarely replaced by businesses anyways. hell the systems my work just got that have production dates from November 2018 are still using i3 5200u(broadwell) processors in them..
 
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Due to this leak we get 10nm q4 this year. You herd it here first.
Glacier Lake i9-9999x.
 
what's miss leading? top picture is commercial/consumer.. bottom picture is all their mobile/low power chips. S series are the desktop high power cpu's.

z series is intel's atom processors used in tablets.
m series will eventually replace z series.
n series are used in 2 in 1/ultra budget laptops.
Y series is pretty much the same as N series.
and the rest you can probably figure out.



that's because it's from dell's internal road map vs something directly from intel. my guess would be that it's related more toward professional systems which tend to be 6-10 months behind consumer hardware and are rarely replaced by businesses anyways. hell the systems my work just got that have production dates from November 2018 are still using i3 5200u(broadwell) processors in them..
yeah, intel has a few very low watt CPUs (even some desktop chips). heck, my amd A6 laptop uses a power brick that puts out 60w max, which is pretty high for a non-gaming laptop.
 
Maybe it would help if you actually read the article!

Maybe you should?

"While reports from late last year suggested that Intel had canceled its 10nm plans, it’s now clear that the plans have shifted from Cannon Lake to its new Ice Lake design. As long as there are no additional delays, we should finally see Ice Lake processors appear in machines in time for the holidays later this year."
 
Maybe you should?

"While reports from late last year suggested that Intel had canceled its 10nm plans, it’s now clear that the plans have shifted from Cannon Lake to its new Ice Lake design. As long as there are no additional delays, we should finally see Ice Lake processors appear in machines in time for the holidays later this year."

How about the article above?

You know, the article that you are commenting on.

Maybe you should read the article before commenting so you don't sound like an idiot.
 
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How about the article above?

You know, the article that you are commenting on.

Maybe you should read the article before commenting so you don't sound like an idiot.

You're pretty dense. The section in quotes was a QUOTE from the article.
 
You're pretty dense. The section in quotes was a QUOTE from the article.
Did you even look at the roadmap? You pr guys are terrible.
Limited 10nm products q2 19. Considering 10nm already was out with over 50% defect rate in 2018, low power, small size chips of 2nd generation in q2 isn't unlikely at all.
And I doubt you've ever seen an internal roadmap before, they do look like this at large companies. Add it to the pile of 'time will tell', not long to go.
One thing is certain, if it's accurate then Kyle has his work cut out.
 
The roadmap looks fake to me, but that's just my opinion. Intel usually does have bad looking roadmaps, but not this bad. The entire "Confidential - Do Not Forward" on there is suspicious as well, that's usually in e-mail subjects with DNF enabled and documents like this would be passworded and not visible in the email, it would also show in their sharepoint or w/e who has viewed it.
 
Well, on another note Intel missed on their earnings today. Someone please create another Hitler video to reflect the current state of affairs.
 
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Did you even look at the roadmap? You pr guys are terrible.
Limited 10nm products q2 19. Considering 10nm already was out with over 50% defect rate in 2018, low power, small size chips of 2nd generation in q2 isn't unlikely at all.
And I doubt you've ever seen an internal roadmap before, they do look like this at large companies. Add it to the pile of 'time will tell', not long to go.
One thing is certain, if it's accurate then Kyle has his work cut out.

LOL

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1427...tion-of-10nm-ice-lake-cpus-raises-10nm-volume
 
What's with all of the "Lakes".

Are you certain they are not just talking about the Chipset? The wattages on the left column, say 6-10W (SOC), do not sound like a CPU wattage. Probably these are chipsets.

Edit: That Comet Lake H up top does look like a CPU, with >=65W noted. But that launches Q1-2020 (or maybe even Q4-2019). Still not seeing this as "2021"...

You need to edit the thread title, it's misleading atm.

You can assume it's into 2021, because there is no magic fairy dust that will suddenly replace all those 14nm chips immediately after Q4 2020. Capiche?


And this was a given anyway, as Intel just doesn't like to use cutting-edge process nodes on large Xeons. But I was hopping for more than 4C on 10nm before 2021.

This is why, if Zen 2.0 works as well as AMD claims, it will slaughter Intel. They're going to be stuck on 28 cores per-die for some time, with very low yields.
 
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I insist in my theory that forced ranking has done this lasting , dawm near permanent damage to Intel. I think its clear forced ranking fucked GE real good.. if they survive at all ( GE)
I say this with no backing whatsoever.. any ex Intel employees that can attest to it?
Force ranking is such a terrible idea, holy shit!. Hopefully they ain't doing it anymore.. I think I'm right and they were, but don't know if they still are.
 
Why are all of the core counts so low? Unless these new chips are launching at 6Ghz, this seems like a massive step back in performance.
 
Why are all of the core counts so low? Unless these new chips are launching at 6Ghz, this seems like a massive step back in performance.
Same reason the 10nm laptop last year didn't even have an igpu or more than two cores, or even a ghz advantage... Yield.
 
^This
Intel does not have a viable 10nm process. Wall Street knows it, consumers knows it and techies knows it. it's well known.
They will continue FPF'ing it until 7nm works.

...but if Intel can't even get 10nm to work, why would you think it can get 7nm to work?

It's like saying you failed General Chemistry, but now somehow you are going to pass Organic Chemistry.
 
...but if Intel can't even get 10nm to work, why would you think it can get 7nm to work?

It's like saying you failed General Chemistry, but now somehow you are going to pass Organic Chemistry.

It's more like saying one student failed Chem 101 whereas a different student at the same school passed Orgo. The two processes are being developed by entirely different divisions using different architectures. Their 7nm process isn't simply the 10nm process done smaller.

I agree that Intel's history of making things smaller isn't littered with victories, but I wouldn't say that failure to do 10nm means they're going to fail at 7nm as well.
 
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