A thread about G92 in 2019?! Yes...

Mr. Bluntman

Mr. Bluntman

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So, I've had a question on my mind for a while now. We all know how game changing the 8800 GT was for the masses. It would have been even more game changing if pricing stayed where nVIDIA claimed it would be. Sadly a $250 price at launch wasn't... quite the case. Still, it basically made everything but the 8800 GTX obsolete. At least, until memory constraints became apparent. That said, what is the case when you take two of the last single slot consumer GPUs from nVIDIA and stick them with a Q9450 with low latency DDR2 and a RAID0 array to back it up? What about throwing an E8600 in the mix in lightly threaded titles? You may think this is old ground, but you didn't get to see in reviews how these cards would fare 2-4 years down the line. There is another angle I would like to look at...

What about two of the fastest GPUs of the previous generation, the 7900 GTX? Will the previously unavailable CPUs help these older cards shine to at least meet the performance of one G92 GPU?

More to come...
 
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I got my 8800 GTS for only $239. And that was a good card at the time, not low end. Let me play Crysis at 720P.
 
I still have my FX5900XT / 7600GS /7900GT/8800GTS 320Mb /8800GT/460GTX 7XXMb .. my in laws are still using the 7600GS on my old socket 939 running a 3800 x 2 with windows XP ..

But. kind of like you I have some old games also and as i rebuild my x58 with two RX 570 in CX and this list https://amdcrossfire.fandom.com/wiki/Crossfire_Game_Compatibility_List

I find driver 19.4.1 supports the list as I am at game 4 testing Tomb Raider (2013) and I have them working at 143 fps avg in 1080p everything and on deck is Metro 2033

So I support your mind and from my testing of Tomb Raider (2013) means we never had the gpu's for this game back then .
 
yup still have my 8800GT's. i paid 210 for each but i think that was almost a year after they had come out. sadly after about 2011/12 most games were exceeding the 512mb of ram even on medium settings and that ended up holding the cards back. had both cards volt modded and running at i believe 836/1830/1050(2100 actual).
 
I still have 3 EVGA 9800GTX+ which is the 55nm g92. They OC fairly well. Have literally just been messing with 2 of them in my FX8320 machine. One day when im bored I'll rebuild my old machine but my evga 780i board died years ago, eBay prices are a bit stupid for me.

In 2 way SLI Crysis runs very well at 1080p, though ranging heavily from 30-60fps.

GTA:V, after it gets done telling me that I don't have enough Vram, is quite playable with all settings dropped to low.

CS:GO also runs at a quaint 200FPS at the settings i run (1280 stretched), so that game is totally CPU bound on anything modern.

Unfortunately, the games that would be fun to test on them like fortnite or overwatch don't support dx10 afaik.

I've now dropped down to 1 9800gtx+ and a sapphire 290 tri-x using the old school hybrid physx mod.. playing borderlands 2 with physx on for the first time ever. The 9800 handles the load just fine, I get 60fps most of the time.
 
Snowdog said:
Hey. I am playing Oblivion for the first time right now, on my 8800GT at 1920x1200 with 2xAA and vsynch and I am getting fairly stable 60fps.
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Yeah I misspoke about the resolution. I was playing at 16x12 with AA maxed out. Back then you would get around mid 30s fps, but the drivers have obviously improved a lot since then, not to mention the CPU you are using is way faster and the game was also heavily CPU limited. Back then people were playing with single core CPUs and 1 GB of RAM lol. I remember going back after upgrading RAM to 2GB and getting a dual core CPU and the gains were huge in Oblivion.
 
So what about the card that's actually responsible for bringing G92's into it's prime?

Oh yeah, BRING IT!

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I picked up one of these bad boys on launch week for $199! Nvidia was so embarrassed they had ti drop their prices $75 to $100 overnight ( in addition, had to overclock both chips 10% to make them more competitive, and relabel them as the 9800GT/GTX+).

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People forget, the 9800 GTX launched at $300 in April, and the 8800 GT was still $220 at the time.

And those price-drops were across-the-board. The 260 was embarassed by the 4870, and had to drop to $300. They then had to make a special Core 216 to actually make it competitive.
 
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whateverer said:
So what about the card that's actually responsible for bringing G92's into it's prime?

Oh yeah, BRING IT!

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I picked up one of these bad boys on launch week for $199! Nvidia was so embarrassed they had ti drop their prices $75 to $100 overnight ( in addition, had to overclock both chips 10% to make them more competitive, and relabel them as the 9800GT/GTX+).

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People forget, the 9800 GTX launched at $300 in April, and the 8800 GT was still $220 at the time.

And those price-drops were across-the-board. The 260 was embarassed by the 4870, and had to drop to $300. They then had to make a special Core 216 to actually make it competitive.
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i had completely forgot about that. they even had to release the 9800GTX+ as well.
 
whateverer said:
So what about the card that's actually responsible for bringing G92's into it's prime?

Oh yeah, BRING IT!

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I picked up one of these bad boys on launch week for $199! Nvidia was so embarrassed they had ti drop their prices $75 to $100 overnight ( in addition, had to overclock both chips 10% to make them more competitive, and relabel them as the 9800GT/GTX+).

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People forget, the 9800 GTX launched at $300 in April, and the 8800 GT was still $220 at the time.

And those price-drops were across-the-board. The 260 was embarassed by the 4870, and had to drop to $300. They then had to make a special Core 216 to actually make it competitive.
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I don't quite see it. G92 was aging by this point. I bought an 8800GT for under $200 before the 4850 came out.

4850 is more ATIs answer to G92, that helped usher it off the market than move it to it's prime.
 
Snowdog said:
I don't quite see it. G92 was aging by this point. I bought an 8800GT for under $200 before the 4850 came out.

4850 is more ATIs answer to G92, that helped usher it off the market than move it to it's prime.
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So you just prefer to highlight the fact that you found one on sale, while the 4850/4870 managed to drop the MSRP overnight on all higher-end n cards by $100? Yeah, obviously I must been dreaming.

G92 was just getting started at the 4850's release. It was eventually relabeled again, as the GTS 250. There was no official replacement for it in Nvidia's lineup until Maxwell was released. And the 4850 was the tool that uncorked that performance and lower prices, way earlier than Nvidia was planning.
 
G92 got started in OCT 2007 (8800 GT) - A month later ATI/AMD released the HD 3870, a month later NVIDIA released the full fat G92 (8800 GTS 512MB) --- 6 months later the HD 4850 came out to play. So no, G92 had been on the market for quite sometime before RV770. The 9800 GTX+ and GTS 250 (G92b) brought 55nm, higher clock speeds, and slightly lower consumption.
 
whateverer said:
So you just prefer to highlight the fact that you found one on sale, while the 4850/4870 managed to drop the MSRP overnight on all higher-end n cards by $100? Yeah, obviously I must been dreaming.
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The 4850/4870 brought the GTX 260 and GTX 280 prices tumbling down. IIRC the 8800GT was already out before even 3870 launch and faster at the same price. The G92 was such a champ because it gave us close to gtx 8800 performance for substantially less money despite there not being any real competition from amd at the time.
 
i have to say this is a mega-interesting thread, being guided through a snapshot in time by a room full of 700 year old 8800 gt enthusiasts. im not being sarcastic, and i demand "MOAR".
 
I was happy to afford a 320mb 8800gts a year or so after launch. Was a huge upgrade from my 6800 non ultra (mightve been a quadro spec, can't remember). It was also the first machine I built 90% from newegg parts, and I had a athlon x2 4200+ (the second version, am2). Cooler master cm690 (the first one), it's all coming back! My mATX foxconn motherboard was a piece of shit though.
 
I had a 6800GT with a Athlon 64 on some red MSI motherboard in a Antec Lanparty type case.....good times...
 
I still have 2x EVGA 9800GTX KO's with lifetime warranties. Both will do 820MHz on the core and run 66c at idle and 83c in Furmark. One is doing HTPC duty @ 1080p for Kodi and YT. The other one is on the shelf as a back up and hasn't seen gameplay since my son used it in Far Cry 2.

I will run em' till they die than RMA them, but it's more likely they will cease serving their purpose before then.
 
purple_monster said:
i have to say this is a mega-interesting thread, being guided through a snapshot in time by a room full of 700 year old 8800 gt enthusiasts. im not being sarcastic, and i demand "MOAR".
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Shameless plug, but if you want to see how a handful of TeraScale, G80, and G92 GPUs (Stock and OC) hang in newer games using windows 10.

 
CAD4466HK said:
I still have 2x EVGA 9800GTX KO's with lifetime warranties. Both will do 820MHz on the core and run 66c at idle and 83c in Furmark. One is doing HTPC duty @ 1080p for Kodi and YT. The other one is on the shelf as a back up and hasn't seen gameplay since my son used it in Far Cry 2.

I will run em' till they die than RMA them, but it's more likely they will cease serving their purpose before then.
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I'd be interested to see what EVGA would replace them with now that 10 years have gone by. I doubt they have a store of 9800GTX or any g92 variants or anything close to it on tap. They may just mail you a check for its "current market rate" like Corsair tried to do to me when my h100i corroded out and killed my motherboard.
 
My first SLI system was a pair of 8800GTX. Came from an AGP system with a 7800GS. The difference at that time was insane. I never sidegraded to the 9800GTX, though, but I ran that pairing for about 6 years before they both died on me and replaced them with a GTX 570 2.5GB.
 
Mode13 said:
I'd be interested to see what EVGA would replace them with now that 10 years have gone by. I doubt they have a store of 9800GTX or any g92 variants or anything close to it on tap. They may just mail you a check for its "current market rate" like Corsair tried to do to me when my h100i corroded out and killed my motherboard.
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I got a 750Ti back when a RMA'ed a EVGA 7950GT KO 2 months ago, I think it depends on more about what they have in stock. Also RMA'ed a GTX 570 and got a 960 4GB SC.
 
CAD4466HK said:
I got a 750Ti back when a RMA'ed a EVGA 7950GT KO 2 months ago, I think it depends on more about what they have in stock. Also RMA'ed a GTX 570 and got a 960 4GB SC.
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Oh wow EVGA doesn't screw around. That's really good customer service right there. I have a pair of dead XFX Radeon 5770s but I forgot to register them within 30 days for the lifetime warranty, would love to see what would come of that but I'll never know I suppose :p
 
Just a small update for now. After living in stability hell...

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(for one, I'm developing a newfound hatred for nVIDIA chipsets) ...for the past few days, it's somewhat up and running.

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I'm going to verify stability before I do any kind of benchmarking this thing. It may not be until next month when I get a replacement part or two. I'm mulling over disassembling this system until that point for the day. Tomorrow will tell if the Q9450 config stays or goes.

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A shame I don't have any direct capture equipment as that would really have been the way forward with this project.
 
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I got that issue frequently with the LAN drivers on my 680i motherboard. I don't remember how I eventually mitigated it, though.
 
Armenius said:
I got that issue frequently with the LAN drivers on my 680i motherboard. I don't remember how I eventually mitigated it, though.
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I've heard of the horrors 680i owners experienced, and I am seemingly experiencing some of them myself with this 750i board. I've never come across stability issues in 32-bit Windows (or in general) like this since the original Pentium days back in the 1990's. I'm not going to mitigate it with a BIOS update as I already have the latest flashed. Drivers don't seem to have an influence on it, just running a quad core CPU (this is a Yorkfield, don't know how a good old Kentsfield would fare). Run x64 Windows and the problem goes *poof*

I used to think nVIDIA chipsets were A-OK until this motherboard landed in my lap. Then again all my previous experiences of said former chipset manufacturer were on AMD based systems.
 
I avioded NVIDIA’s chipsets for intel too.
If I ran an Intel CPU I always used an Intel chipset too.
I also remember reading about the woes of 680i owners.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
I've heard of the horrors 680i owners experienced, and I am seemingly experiencing some of them myself with this 750i board. I've never come across stability issues in 32-bit Windows (or in general) like this since the original Pentium days back in the 1990's. I'm not going to mitigate it with a BIOS update as I already have the latest flashed. Drivers don't seem to have an influence on it, just running a quad core CPU (this is a Yorkfield, don't know how a good old Kentsfield would fare). Run x64 Windows and the problem goes *poof*

I used to think nVIDIA chipsets were A-OK until this motherboard landed in my lap. Then again all my previous experiences of said former chipset manufacturer were on AMD based systems.
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I never used a 750i, but I did run a EVGA 780i A1 SLI with a 9550 @ 3833 and SLI'ed 9800GTX's.
The only issues I had with that Mobo was the NB overheating, since the stock fan was a POS, which would cause BSoD's. So I silver taped a fan from a Tt Volcano 6 on it and problem solved.
 
I had an EVGA 780i on that rig. It honestly had a lot of problems, the Nvidia chipset was not good.

This was one of the only motherboards I've ever had that died within I think like 2 or 3 years (on top of all the problems during that time).
 
cybereality said:
I had an EVGA 780i on that rig. It honestly had a lot of problems, the Nvidia chipset was not good.

This was one of the only motherboards I've ever had that died within I think like 2 or 3 years (on top of all the problems during that time).
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Mine might of been outside the norm, but one thing is for certain, it was better than the 680i. ;)
 
I was looking through my spare video card boxes & came across a ChainTech (anyone remember them) Ti4600 & and MSI 7800GT....memories!
 
G92 is a classic for sure. Aged incredibly well, especially the rare 1GB variants.

Ran SLI 8800GTs with my Athlon X2 Black Edition back in the day, absolutely smashed every game out at the time- except for Crysis lol

years later I ran Crysis 2 on a single 8800GT and was very surprised to find it worked fine at 1080P. (turns out Crysis 1 was just poorly-optimized this whole time?) Great chip. I still have a G92-based Quadro FX3700 in the parts bin but it doesn't seem to work anymore :cry:
 
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