Windows 10 updates that fail to install no matter what i do

[primetime]

Issue was fixed with this method
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/24742-reset-windows-update-windows-10-a.html



I have tried the windows update tool and it finds zero problems....I have tried deleting everything in
C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download and it just re downloads everything and gives same error.

I have ran the system file checker and no errors there cause if there was i would do a clean install or backup. The only thing i havent tried is uninstalling the Asus Kyspersky Antivirus and i guess at some point i might see if it makes any difference..I try disabling protection to see if that had any effect, and of course it didnt.

I get no crashes or errors or anything that might cause data corruption so WTF is going on? Windows update is totally broken on Windows 10 now a days or its just me?

Im on latest Build 1809 (17763.253) and aside from updates everything good.

 

[tedych]

Just "you".
You may have installed some Win10 "imrover" or "spyware remover" or anything. Or maybe the antivirus. That's why (and not only) I never use antiviruses (long story and argument) - they act just like viruses.
I have updated several test Win10s last days and never an issue. The same KBs as in your screenshot installed fast and successfully.
You may have some issues connecting to the MS servers or with your ISP.

 

[H2R2P2]

I have seen some instances like yours when Windows is installing updates silently in the background while the user also tries to install essentially the same update windows is installing on its own. Just leave Windows update alone for the time being and it will clear itself on a reboot eventually.

 

[primetime]

Just "you".
You may have installed some Win10 "imrover" or "spyware remover" or anything. Or maybe the antivirus. That's why (and not only) I never use antiviruses (long story and argument) - they act just like viruses.
I have updated several test Win10s last days and never an issue. The same KBs as in your screenshot installed fast and successfully.
You may have some issues connecting to the MS servers or with your ISP.

On yours they show up here as well?

I dont install much fixers or tweakers to begin with.....i might have ran a scan or 2 with superantispy and have stayed away from any of the privacy helpers....ill give it some time or try installing what few things i have. My internet is tethered mostly thu my phone and pdanet but i can try just going thru the very slow wifi...hmmm maybe right

 

[tedych]

Hm, I deleted those test Win10s, and archived one. But I have one main test Win10 Pro, installed as 1709, then updated to 1803, and today I checked again, it updated to 1809 finally.
This is how it looks like:
Win10 update to 1809. I'm not sure why there are only two updates in control panel, maybe it removes references to older updates when a new feature update is installed. But I had no errors in any windows since the last one back in 2017.

 

[primetime]

Hm, I deleted those test Win10s, and archived one. But I have one main test Win10 Pro, installed as 1709, then updated to 1803, and today I checked again, it updated to 1809 finally.
This is how it looks like:
Win10 update to 1809. I'm not sure why there are only two updates in control panel, maybe it removes references to older updates when a new feature update is installed. But I had no errors in any windows since the last one back in 2017.

idk i guess well find out soon enough if yours gets any more or not...was kinda thinking they should mostly have same kb's installed for those on same build

 

[ir0nw0lf]

Have you tried downloading the KB updates from the MS catalog site and installing them?

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4487044
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4483452

 

[notarat]

I second ironwolf's suggestion to try downloading the individual KB updates and installing them one at a time to see if they load that way. If they don't you can copy/paste the error into google and see how people are handling a failed installation of the individual KBs.

 

[Chuklr]

I've had that error code a couple of times on My Win 10 Pro and Home machines and I think I just clicked "Retry" and the updates download and install. If they don't I restart the OS and then they download and install. Hope this helps.

 

[pendragon1]

clear the updates, disable your a/v and try again.

 

[primetime]

Have you tried downloading the KB updates from the MS catalog site and installing them?

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4487044
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4483452

I did exactly that a few days ago.or at least i thought i did...its worth trying again of course...they only thing i havent tried is uninstalling the asus kaspersky and dropping back to normal defender.


ok heres what happens...i downloaded the 139.3 MB file (x64)

So Microsoft says FUCK YOU!!!! LOL

I guess its now time to uninstall a few things like the anti virus? I mean its no wonder the fucking windows update fails right?

 

[primetime]

this is EVERYTHING currently installed.

What Has to go? lol

 

[SvenBent]

this might be a bit execessive but that what has helped me on all the stuck windows 10 updates I've had to troubleshoot

delete %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Download
delete %windir%\system32\catroot2
delete C:\$WINDOWS.~BT
Run chkdskc fix if needed
Sfc /scannow
Windows disk cleaners (especaill anything with windows updates)
Reboot

restart windows updates

 

[pendragon1]

What Has to go? lol

try disabling your a/v before uninstalling it and disable everything possible in msconfig/startup

 

[primetime]

this might be a bit execessive but that what has helped me on all the stuck windows 10 updates I've had to troubleshoot

delete %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Download (this i already tried)
delete %windir%\system32\catroot2 (this i can try)
delete C:\$WINDOWS.~BT (this i can try)
Run chkdskc fix if needed (i can try this i guess)
Sfc /scannow (fully passes already)
Windows disk cleaners (especaill anything with windows updates) (As you can see....well i dont bother with disk cleaners since win10 already has this and more baked in, but yes ok)
Reboot

restart windows updates

easy enough i try it again in this order

 

[primetime]

try disabling your a/v before uninstalling it and disable everything possible in msconfig/startup

not much i can disable yea?

but ok its worth a try

 

[pendragon1]

can always turn em back on and now you have a visual reminder.

 

[primetime]

can always turn em back on and now you have a visual reminder.

I disabled everything and rebooted...then manually closed the other crap that boots up on its on like rtss and what not...even disabled the AV.....and the update still fails to install....im uninstalling the Kaspersky now since really i feel like defender is ok anyway

 

[pendragon1]

defender is fine, that's all I use. BUT I have had it interfer with a couple updates over the years. the real-time scan causes a timeout I think.

 

[primetime]

can always turn em back on and now you have a visual reminder.

I disabled everything and uninstalled kaspersky and went back to normal defender....the dam KB still fails to install..fuck it pc works fine, i just prefer to have a fully patched windows pc but its not meant to be!
Some kind of bug in it that doesn't like my pc..this never happens with Microsoft before has it?...Only thing i know to do now is wait for next offical build with all current KB's baked in and do a clean install or upgrade then. Im sorta thinking if i cant manually install the update then theres not much else can be done

 

[pendragon1]

and you redid the update clean up with wuauserv after removing it?
could make another account and try from within it.

 

[SvenBent]

easy enough i try it again in this order

just for clarifiication I was talking about the built in windows cleaner.

 

[primetime]

and you redid the update clean up with wuauserv after removing it?
could make another account and try from within it.

all i used is this https://aka.ms/wudiag
I actually not positive i know what your talking about here

just for clarifiication I was talking about the built in windows cleaner.

wait your saying its bad to use the built in windows cleaner? This is news to me but yea i do use both built in cleaners....the one in the storage settings and the one in the hardrive properties menu cause i figured cleaner is better right?

 

[pendragon1]

Make another account? Oh you got me there....or you mean win log in? well thats pretty close to just doing a recovery clean install and i might give it a try after i finish re2 or starting division2

its not even close to doing a recovery. just make another user account and log into it. but that's just another suggestion to try.

 

[primetime]

its not even close to doing a recovery. just make another user account and log into it. but that's just another suggestion to try.

Ok trying now.....may as well......



and it kinda seemed like it was working then it said well try again later after failing
I could still try manually downloading/installing with the new user account? what ya think

 

[pendragon1]

might ass well

 

[tedych]

Many softwares like antiviruses just plain corrupt (or to put it mildly, make irreversible (easily) changes to the OS ) the operating system, and even if you uninstall, the evil is done. There is definitely something wrong in your installation. And if the manual update experiment failed, then it's not your ISP or internet connection obviously.
I see you have a great number of all kinds of software being potential offenders. I'd kind of uninstall half of them but that's me.
I see apps such as Ryzen master etc., it could be you are overclocking extremely, I see winaero tweaker, I avoid such programs like evil, and what is this popcorn-time..., also I see the today very old ffdshow (which I used to use too before, but it causes system instability on modern OSes )...
Anyone of the apps could be the culprit, but recovering from this might be hard to impossible.

 

[primetime]

Many softwares like antiviruses just plain corrupt (or to put it mildly, make irreversible (easily) changes to the OS ) the operating system, and even if you uninstall, the evil is done. There is definitely something wrong in your installation. And if the manual update experiment failed, then it's not your ISP or internet connection obviously.
I see you have a great number of all kinds of software being potential offenders. I'd kind of uninstall half of them but that's me.
I see apps such as Ryzen master etc., it could be you are overclocking extremely, I see winaero tweaker, I avoid such programs like evil, and what is this popcorn-time..., also I see the today very old ffdshow (which I used to use too before, but it causes system instability on modern OSes )...
Anyone of the apps could be the culprit, but recovering from this might be hard to impossible.

OF course i get what you think, but i have not used the tweaker to tweak anything.....ran a few windows index scores and use the built in system file checker which by the way found zero issues...i only use the ryzen master to enable PBO and no overclocking used beyond that...popecorn time well next go round i probably just stick to open source traditional torrent clients in the future but its not like im trying to find malware or virus yet...the ffd show is part of SVP paid program i use and personally love watching videos at my display RR

heres the deal in the past sfc scans and error checking would usually find something if windows had anything out of order but in my case everything checks out well otherwise...ill start focusing on stuff installed over last couple weeks like the re2 trainer im using. (come to think of it i had to install some .net stuff for it to work.....shit i bet thats all it was) windows is so dam fragile these days lol

 

[tedych]

It was always fragile . Put the fact there are all kind of softwares a normal user installs, the requirements of most users to have control over many things and to not be annoyed.... etc. I have been using Windows since 1994 and apart from some "built-in" or long-standing bugs over the years, I had no issues using it, or updating or anything. I just take care of what and how I use or install, and stick to things I need for my work and activities (I have maybe hundreds of installed apps). So, I guess it's some "malware" program that you installed (apart from Windows itself as some would argue haha).
I see this might be a new installation of yours so I guess you have this problem from day one on this installation.

 

[ManofGod]

I would recommend downloading the Media Creation tool, create it using a usb drive and installing it from the flash drive on the Windows desktop. For those who claim you should not have to do that, *Shrug*, your computer, if you do not want to do that, even if it fixes it, that is on you. (Not saying you would do this but, some here would and complain about it while all the while, not fixing the issue that it could fix.)

 

[primetime]

It was always fragile . Put the fact there are all kind of softwares a normal user installs, the requirements of most users to have control over many things and to not be annoyed.... etc. I have been using Windows since 1994 and apart from some "built-in" or long-standing bugs over the years, I had no issues using it, or updating or anything. I just take care of what and how I use or install, and stick to things I need for my work and activities (I have maybe hundreds of installed apps). So, I guess it's some "malware" program that you installed (apart from Windows itself as some would argue haha).
I see this might be a new installation of yours so I guess you have this problem from day one on this installation.

not from day 1 no.....only started after i installed a program that required some .net downloads maybe a week or few days ago ago...idk its at least 5 weeks going or about.

I would recommend downloading the Media Creation tool, create it using a usb drive and installing it from the flash drive on the Windows desktop. For those who claim you should not have to do that, *Shrug*, your computer, if you do not want to do that, even if it fixes it, that is on you. (Not saying you would do this but, some here would and complain about it while all the while, not fixing the issue that it could fix.)

im sure it was made with latest usb iso....Could have been rufus or media creation tool, but whatever it was im sure i did a clean install. No i agree fix it rather than complain about it...So your suggestion is do ANOTHER clean install? haha yea maybe at some point but if i dont id what causes the issue it could come back.....i be willing to bet half the people that have read this thread, there pc would show some type of unfixable corruption with a sfc scan, but there pc doesn't show any issues otherwise.

 

[ManofGod]

not from day 1 no.....only started after i installed a program that required some .net downloads maybe a week or few days ago ago...idk its at least 5 weeks going or about.

No, no, an install over the top, just like a Windows 7 repair install.

im sure it was made with latest usb iso....Could have been rufus or media creation tool, but whatever it was im sure i did a clean install. No i agree fix it rather than complain about it...So your suggestion is do ANOTHER clean install? haha yea maybe at some point but if i dont id what causes the issue it could come back.....i be willing to bet half the people that have read this thread, there pc would show some type of unfixable corruption with a sfc scan, but there pc doesn't show any issues otherwise.

No, no, an install over the top, similar to a Windows 7 repair install.

 

[tedych]

In such situations what I'd do (and doing) is using virtual machines to try to replicate the issue, moreover you have a suspect . E.g. install a new clean new VM and only install the suspect first and see.
"some" .net downloads.... what "some" ...

 

[primetime]

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/24742-reset-windows-update-windows-10-a.html
oh oh i think we got it!!!!

that bat file seems to have worked so far! let me see if the rest is fixed
https://www.tenforums.com/attachmen...eset_reregister_windows_update_components.bat

So its totally fixed now.....All i had to do was run that bat file and it was good after that Got to love modern windows that just works

 

[ir0nw0lf]

Kudos for staying the course and not giving up!

 

[tedych]

It is interesting what caused this corruption in the first place . It could happen again and some app or component may have be at fault.
But don't despair, it's not only Windows. I had many kinds of problems and dependencies issues when updating some linuxes over the years . This is all software, complex software and sh** happens.

Edit: This bat file does many things, deletes and resets many things and registries... I would be nervous about the possible implications after that, no matter if WU worked fine.

 

[primetime]

It is interesting what caused this corruption in the first place . It could happen again and some app or component may have be at fault.
But don't despair, it's not only Windows. I had many kinds of problems and dependencies issues when updating some linuxes over the years . This is all software, complex software and sh** happens.

Edit: This bat file does many things, deletes and resets many things and registries... I would be nervous about the possible implications after that, no matter if WU worked fine.

Well a couple of weeks ago I was testing out different ram speeds with the PC running non stop boinc or what not for testing...it was rebooted one morning so that told me to dial it way back.....so it's possible it was memory related? Would be my best theory for now.....I'm good just having a working fix and a fresh image made today lol

 

[tedych]

Well, that could well be the reason. On my server I was trying new ram sticks and it seems I had set some incompatible timings while trying to stick them together and after one of the restarts the OS just went haywire halfway through booting, most things wouldn't start or work, backgrounds all gray or so..., so I had to restore from an image I made previously.
So it is possible you'd run into more troubles at some future time .