Ran into a string of Win 10 problems

Happy Hopping

Happy Hopping

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So I setup Win 10 Home on a HP with just Adobe Reader install, everything seems fine

Then I run Linksys N600 router setup software. The CD is meant for Win 7 / 8, but I can't see why it won't run on Win 10, because the S/W is just a configuration of the router, it is NOT actually a s/w that installed on the SSD

Try it 2 to 3 times it doesn't work, the router S/W (brand new/sealed) can't find its own router and ends

after that win 10 boot up scanning for disk error twice.

So I switch to another brand name router and it works

but then MS Solitaire collection no longer boots up. So I then go to MS Store and re-download 3 different Solitarie game, and that does work

Further, go to Youtube.com, the google chrome browser said the website is unsafe, it was being re-direct to some ?? website (not youtube)

Is there any connection to any of these?
 
could it be something else? as I just remember just before I install all these software, I connect just the SSD to another machine tha's running win 7, and use Recover Keys to grab all the serial no. of all the software of this PC.

Needless to say, at the time, Win 7 tries to read the SSD of win 10 and do that chkdsk, but naturally I abort it, and after I did that, when I move the win 10 PC back upstair, it also did that integrity scan once. I then shut down, turn it back on and it no longer does that.

Of course, the above doesn't explain going to youtube and ends up to an unsafe website
 
Happy Hopping said:
could it be something else? as I just remember just before I install all these software, I connect just the SSD to another machine tha's running win 7, and use Recover Keys to grab all the serial no. of all the software of this PC.

Needless to say, at the time, Win 7 tries to read the SSD of win 10 and do that chkdsk, but naturally I abort it, and after I did that, when I move the win 10 PC back upstair, it also did that integrity scan once. I then shut down, turn it back on and it no longer does that.

Of course, the above doesn't explain going to youtube and ends up to an unsafe website
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Heh heh, you connected the drive to a computer with an end of life OS and used a shady software. No way you have malware now. No way :banghead:
 
Win 7 is still good till 2020. The Recovery Key is a legitimate software to recover lost serial no.
 
so here's an update: a simple malwarebyte scans found 3 virus that is "host redirection" related. After I removed it, I found the same virus in the back up flash drive

Re-boot then scan it the 2nd time, actully found 1 host related virus eventhough the prev. 3 was removed from history (quanrantine)

Scan it the 3rd ttime on flash drive and on the SSD found nothing.

It seems the lock up on the router setup could be, as Brain_B said, causes by that malware, i.e., those host related virus did all this. I thought I have to re-install the SSD, but everything looks good now
 
Happy Hopping said:
so here's an update: a simple malwarebyte scans found 3 virus that is "host redirection" related. After I removed it, I found the same virus in the back up flash drive

Re-boot then scan it the 2nd time, actully found 1 host related virus eventhough the prev. 3 was removed from history (quanrantine)

Scan it the 3rd ttime on flash drive and on the SSD found nothing.

It seems the lock up on the router setup could be, as Brain_B said, causes by that malware, i.e., those host related virus did all this. I thought I have to re-install the SSD, but everything looks good now
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I would never trust a system that was infected, again. You have no way of knowing if the scanner found everything.
 
Windows, due to being much much more widespread, is more prone to being infected, it's targeted by billions of viruses and other factors. So of course one has to be a little more careful about how you set it up, what measures you take to be on the safe side (absolutely possible but not for the very beginner computer user) and when using it.
That aside, here I second B00nie's opinion. You never know what's left. I, personally, don't use antiviruses since 2004 because AVs are just like viruses (another story). I regularly image my installations (about once every 2 months, rarely changing indeed) and keep at least 4 images. If I fall victim to a virus, I would not try to heal it. This has not happened to me since 2004 actually :) .
 
Why do you need to use the wireless disk to use the router?

More then likely you searched for something and clicked on an Advert or "installed a driver scanner fixer software"

Sounds like your Windows 10 installer usb is the problem thought remake it and then reload windows (at the setup screen press shift+f10 to bring up console select your ssd and run clean command to wipe the disk) then install

Once installed goto official malwarebytes site and install it see how it goes (it should be good for 15 days to have the active scanner there)
 
tedych said:
Windows, due to being much much more widespread, is more prone to being infected, it's targeted by billions of viruses and other factors. So of course one has to be a little more careful about how you set it up, what measures you take to be on the safe side (absolutely possible but not for the very beginner computer user) and when using it.
That aside, here I second B00nie's opinion. You never know what's left. I, personally, don't use antiviruses since 2004 because AVs are just like viruses (another story). I regularly image my installations (about once every 2 months, rarely changing indeed) and keep at least 4 images. If I fall victim to a virus, I would not try to heal it. This has not happened to me since 2004 actually :) .
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Its not that its more wide spread... its that windows sucks. (ok I'll stop... but seriously the issue is this)

Let me guess OP you have one account on your machine... and it has Admin level access doesn't it. (this is why windows fails)
 
It fails when you run said bad program (say yes/allow to UAC and its then not really Windows fault for user running random program)
 
likeman said:
It fails when you run said bad program (say yes/allow to UAC and its then not really Windows fault for user running random program)
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Well allowing elevated privileges with a GUI box click is sort of MSs fault. Allowing users to turn UAC off is even worse. MS is the shit show of a security hell hole it is for no other reason. Literally 99% of all malware and viruses would be rendered harmless if MS didn't allow programs low level access via unsecure MS APIs.... and by forcing users to use proper system security. Sure you could use BSD or Linux as a root user for every day use if you really really want but no distro anywhere will make that the default or even convenient to do.

Yes for windows to be secure they would have to force users to type in a password for everything including their own system updates. Building backdoors past basic security even for themselves is just bad form. Of course the virus scanner industry would take a massive hit. lol
 
Allowing users to circumvent annoying things in the OS is fault?! WTH... I love to be able to do these things in every OS. I want control whether I Will ruin my OS or the opposite. I want control and possibility to run dangerous programs, that too. It's my choice. Taking away such controls from my hands is what I hate with new versions of anything. I use Administrator on all my machines (virtual too) since the start of time and never had any issue, almost 20 years). It's my choice and I don't force it to anyone. I HATE all the dialogs and questions whether I want to allow this or that, with all clear mind what this means. I HATE those in Ubuntu-like distros every five seconds when I set up the system for the first time (and not only).

Yes, for me, it's only the user's fault in such cases when they run malware on their own. When you install a driver or system component, it needs root/admin access.
Also, Windows (consumer versions) uses a new non-Administrator account by default when installing. Yes, the user is in Administrators group to allow easier initial setup of Windows. The user is free to create a normal non-admin user at any time, super easy, or to remove himself from Administrators group.

Any OS as widespread as Windows would become "Windows", for good or bad.
Windows is perfectly fine without antivirus sh*ts if you know how to use it sanely (I admit not the majority of mass-users) which requires just a basic sanity and basic-to-moderate knowledge. I'm the proof, I don't use (and never will) AVs since 2004, I have Many machines (incl. virtual) 24/7, not a single issue since then. WHen I ditched AVs I have a second life without problems. AVs are evil.
 
tedych said:
Allowing users to circumvent annoying things in the OS is fault?! WTH... I love to be able to do these things in every OS. I want control whether I Will ruin my OS or the opposite. I want control and possibility to run dangerous programs, that too. It's my choice. Taking away such controls from my hands is what I hate with new versions of anything. I use Administrator on all my machines (virtual too) since the start of time and never had any issue, almost 20 years). It's my choice and I don't force it to anyone. I HATE all the dialogs and questions whether I want to allow this or that, with all clear mind what this means. I HATE those in Ubuntu-like distros every five seconds when I set up the system for the first time (and not only).

Yes, for me, it's only the user's fault in such cases when they run malware on their own. When you install a driver or system component, it needs root/admin access.
Also, Windows (consumer versions) uses a new non-Administrator account by default when installing. Yes, the user is in Administrators group to allow easier initial setup of Windows. The user is free to create a normal non-admin user at any time, super easy, or to remove himself from Administrators group.

Any OS as widespread as Windows would become "Windows", for good or bad.
Windows is perfectly fine without antivirus sh*ts if you know how to use it sanely (I admit not the majority of mass-users) which requires just a basic sanity and basic-to-moderate knowledge. I'm the proof, I don't use (and never will) AVs since 2004, I have Many machines (incl. virtual) 24/7, not a single issue since then. WHen I ditched AVs I have a second life without problems. AVs are evil.
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Your argument on windows is a target cause its popular is sort of silly at this point. Every high value target in the world runs Linux. Breaching windows is how you get grandmas credit card when you trick her into using amazoon. Breaching Linux running on some companies server gets you potentially 1000s of cards or better. When that happens its almost always a social hack rather then a software one... cause Linux itself is secure. Of course users can still be stupid as F no matter what OS they are using. And yes I'm sorry running administrator on everything is stupid... I don't really care that you haven't run into any issues. The majority of windows uses do the same as you... which is why windows is the most insecure OS of all time. MS has coded back doors past admin for themselves cause users complain if they see a dialog box or get asked for permission before making root level changes. Those back doors are great for malware coders... and companies like Norton I guess.

Anyway my only point the whole security through obscurity argument is BS. Proper user control is one of the main reasons Linux / Unix / MacOS / Android / iOS are all more secure then Windows. I'm not saying there all perfect... just a massive step up from an OS created by a company more worried about users like you complaining about UAC then actual real security. Microsofts back track on UAC way back (with Vista I believe) was one of the worst decisions in terms of criminal costs perhaps in the history of computing. If MS had stuck to their guns... and required passwords and UAC, and removed completely their own backdoors even if it meant users would have to oh my punch a password in before applying updates, billions of dollars of malware/virus/Ransom/crypto attacks would have been stifled if not prevented completely. MS has cost modern society billions in losses.
 
Users like me complaining UAC... are the people that actually work and create something for this world on their computers. As I said, I run Administrators everywhere 24/7 for decades without a single hitch. This is enough for Me as a long-term proof Windows is stable and secure enough. It's a desktop OS and if used 'improperly' of course it's more prone to problems (and infections). If you can't live with that, just use Linux, noone is stopping you. As long as my experience so far is such, I wouldn't lose months to do a switch OS for my main desktops/servers.
I don't know where did I argue with security through obscurity and what this had to do with my post. Whereas it has its grounds herein anyway.
Again, I think any OS as widespread (in desktop segment!) would have become Windows. Like it or not. There are other factors of course but.. Desktop segment has to cope with all kinds of users, and this for good or bad (going slowly to bad I aknowledge, not only OS) shapes every software in a certain way, sometimes not to our direct liking. I design softwares too and I can see the trend and what users expect, mass users.
 
WARNING !! WARNING !! WARNING !! You're computer is infected with the Doomsday virus. Call Microsoft immediately at 1-800-YOU-FOOL and we will remote into your computer and remove it for you. :D
 
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